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Dev Diary #20 - Religion and Faith

Come one, come all! Zealots and cynics, fundamentalists and heretics! It is time for us to finally talk about religion in Crusader Kings III, and all that it entails.

While parts of the religion system in CK3 may seem familiar to fans of the previous games, the system itself has been completely rebuilt from the ground up. As a result, there is little point in talking about changes from CK2; instead, I will start diving into how religion works in CK3 and what that means to you as a player.

The Religious Hierarchy
The most logical place to start talking about religion in CK3 is with… Religions! As a game concept, a Religion is defined by four main things:
  • What Traits are considered Sins and Virtues (3 each by default)
  • What Religion Family it belongs to (Abrahamic, Oriental, or Pagan)
  • What the standard religious Doctrines are for its Faiths
  • What Tenets are available to its Faiths
Individual characters and counties will never believe in a whole Religion — they believe in a Faith instead, with each Religion having several Faiths under it. For example, Catholicism and Orthodoxy are Faiths under Christianity, while Theravada and Mahayana are Faiths under Buddhism.

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[Screenshot showing a selection of either Christian Faiths, including distinct Coptic and Apostolic Faiths]

Similar to the way that Faiths belong to a Religion, Religions belong to a Religion Family. Religion Families are little more than groups of Religions, but this does serve an important purpose, as it plays a significant part in how Faith Hostility is calculated (more on that in a later Dev Diary).

Anatomy of a Faith
So if a character believes in a Faith, what does that mean for them? Well, each Faith is based on its parent Religion and inherits those attributes, but will be differentiated from other Faiths by its Tenets, Doctrines, and Holy Sites.

Tenets
Tenets are mechanical representations of the most important rites, rituals, and traditions of a Faith. Every Faith has exactly 3, picked from a total of around 50 different Tenets in the whole game. Tenets are the things which make a Faith special and unique, the things that set it apart from the other Faiths even within the same Religion (and especially outside of it).

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[Screenshot of the Catholic Faith’s 3 Tenets - Armed Pilgrimages, Communion, and Monasticism]

Taking Catholicism as an example, we see one of their Tenets is that of Communion. This Tenet is what allows the Catholic Pope to excommunicate rulers, as well as allowing rulers to buy Indulgences from the Pope.

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[Screenshot of the Communion Tenet, promoting values of honesty and community among adherents]

You may notice here that Communion also modifies what traits are considered Sins and Virtues by the Faith. While every Faith inherits 3 Sins and Virtues from its parent Religion, Tenets can add, modify, or remove these.

While some Tenets are unique to a single Faith, others are shared among multiple Faiths. For example, both Catholicism and Orthodoxy have the Communion Tenet. However, it is important to note that no two Faiths have the exact same combination of Tenets — as a result, every Faith will play at least a little differently, and some drastically so!

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[Screenshot of the Sacred Lies Tenet, promoting scheming and treachery among adherents]

Doctrines
While less impactful than Tenets, Doctrines are still a crucial part of each Faith. A Faith’s Doctrines determine both its clerical structure as well as what its adherents can and cannot legally do.

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[Screenshot of the Catholic Doctrines]

Every Faith has at least 18 Doctrines, with a few extras depending on the circumstances. While every Religion has a default stance for each Doctrine, these should be considered guidelines more than actual rules; individual Faiths can and do break away from standard dogma when appropriate. The different Doctrines are broken up into 4 categories:

  • Main Doctrines
  • Marriage Doctrines
  • Crime Doctrines
  • Clergy Doctrines

Main Doctrines cover how a Faith is organized on a fundamental level. These include things such as the traditional gender roles of a Faith, if the Faith has a Religious Head or not, how accepting (or unaccepting!) the Faith is of other Faiths and Religions, and if its priests must be part of a dedicated theocracy or if lay clergy are permitted.

Marriage Doctrines cover who is allowed to get married and how: if rulers can have multiple spouses, if concubines are permitted, if and when divorce is permitted, if extramarital relations can result in legitimate heirs, and who can even get married in the first place.

The Crime Doctrines cover what acts, if any, are considered immoral or even outright criminal. Characters who are publicly known to have violated these principles are Shunned, suffering an opinion penalty with all characters of that Faith, and may even be considered an outright Criminal who can be lawfully imprisoned and punished for their violations against divine law.

Finally the Clergy Doctrines determine how priests must behave and what their primary role in society is. The Clergy Doctrines also determine what power, if any, secular rulers have over the clergy within their realm.

Holy Sites
Finally, every Faith has some number of Holy Sites that this Faith considers to be more sacred than the rest. Controlling these Holy Sites will give a bonus to all characters of that Faith; this can create a significant source of conflict in the game, as many different Faiths can share specific Holy Sites, and every one of them wants to be the one in control!

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[Screenshot showing the five Orthodox Holy Sites and their corresponding bonuses]

Moddability
I’m going to go on a quick tangent here and talk about modding Faiths and Religions in Crusader Kings III. Primarily, I want to mention that everything I have talked about so far is completely modular! This means Religion Groups, Religions, Faiths, Doctrines, Tenets, and Holy Sites can all be swapped in and out, modified, changed, or new ones added with even just a basic knowledge of scripting.

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[Screenshot of a script snippet showcasing the Coptic Faith’s parameters]

This is one of the primary reasons we settled on the Faith, Tenet, and Doctrine system for CK3. Even though religion has a massive impact and touches dozens of game systems, it is easy for even new modders to dip their toes into the pool and start adding or changing things as they see fit. For experienced modders, this setup improves productivity and reduces the risk of introducing bugs. This has also had the side-effect of improving our productivity here at the office, which brings me to...

This is my Faith. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
At current count, we have 99 different Faiths in Crusader Kings III, all of which are fully playable. That more than doubles the number of playable religions we had in CK2 after Jade Dragon released.

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[Screenshot of Egypt and Nubia, showing the diverse number of Faiths in the region]

Remember what I said earlier about how no two Faiths have the same combination of Tenets, and how every Faith would play at least slightly differently?

Yeah.

Your options are quite extensive:
  • You can play as the good ol’ Catholics, or one of their heresies like the Cathars.
  • You can play a different branch of Christianity, such as the Coptic Church or the Armenian Apostolic Church.
  • You can play as a more unusual branch of Christianity like the Adamites.
  • You can play not just as Sunni or Shia, but as individual religious movements or schools within them such as the Ash’ari or Maturidi, and the Isma’ili or Qarmatian.
  • You can play as various Jewish movements, such as the Karaites or Rabbanists.
  • You can play as a Dualist sect, such as Sabianism or Manicheanism.
  • You can play as individual branches of Hinduism, such as Vaishnavism and Shaktism, or make the choice between Therevada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana Buddhism.
  • You can play as one of three different schools of Confucianism, shaped by differing philosophies and focuses.
  • You can play as a distinct African pagan Faith such as Bori Animism or the Senegambian Roog Sene.
  • You can play as either Tengri or Magyar steppe pagans each with their own special traditions.
  • You can play as one of the Indian or Tibetan pagans as well, extending beyond Bon and into other regional and cultural Faiths.
  • Finally, don't forget the old favorite pagan Faiths like Norse (now called Asatru)!
While many of these faiths will have some similarities and common elements (especially within the same Religion), none of them are identical to each other. They all differentiate themselves mechanically in at least one way, and often in many ways. But… let’s say you’ve looked at every single one of these Faiths, and none of them are quite right. What, then, is a soul-searching medieval ruler to do?

Well, join us next week for the Dev Diary on Custom Faith Creation and Pagan Reformation!
 
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My favorite DD so far... and the first time I was truly excited after one.

I do wonder though it it's possible to change or add some of the minor Tenets without going heretical? For instance, Crusades would probably not be considered a Catholic tenet before 11th century, and the Orthodox spent a lot of time wondering about this topic before finally deciding that organized Holy Wars should be discouraged.
 
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What is fervor? [...] Also, I don't quite get the religious hierarchy.

The religious hierarchy only consists of those 3 'levels'. There are no sub-Faiths; Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Cathar, and Paulicianism are all co-equal Faiths under Christianity.

What each Faith considers to be heretical is based on the religious hostility system, which will be discussed in a future Dev Diary (along with fervor). Just because all 4 are Christian Faiths doesn't mean Catholics will view Cathars the same way they view an Orthodox!
 
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rulers sponsoring new ecumenical councils
Yes, would have loved to see that! Hopefully future patches can add wonderful bits of immersive flavor like this.
Hard lock, but could be modded in script to support the later.
Shame to hear, though glad it can be changed in mods.

That said, just to be 100% certain - I am right in interpreting the consanguinity tab of the doctrine to relate to what degree of relations marriage is forbidden within?
 

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This looks astounding and excellent! Only one small question: is it too late to rename "Oriental" to "Eastern"? It means exactly the same, bu the former term has some unfortunate historical baggage which could detract from the wonderful job you're doing trying to represent faiths past the Indus. And I say this as an (almost) alumnus of an Oriental Studies Faculty ;)
 
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Can the number of Tenets for a Faith be modded?
For example, I want my Faith to have 10 Tenets...
 

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Can the Pope (or other religious heads) sentence to death people because of criminal acts such as witchcraft?
Can we play as the Pope?


P.S: wow. Didn't expect this. Wonderful job devs.
 
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Why does Communion enable buying indulgences, which was a banned practice? Just like EU4 last week paradox inserts nonsense into the game about Catholicism like some caricature.
it was banned in 1563 so, not banned during the game's timeframe
 
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At current count, we have 99 different Faiths in Crusader Kings III, all of which are fully playable. That more than doubles the number of playable religions we had in CK2 after Jade Dragon released.
Let's say we're interested in a different religion. From the Learning Lifestyles Diary we learned about a tenet in the Scholar tree (Apostate) that made faith conversion cost -75%.

Is any person able to convert to any faith as long as they have the piety for it? Or do you need a spouse/concubine/consort/ to convert like in CK2? Or can you just have someone in your court that really likes you, say, a friend, lover, or soulmate, of that religion?
 

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Will autocephalous Orthodox Churches be considered as separate Faiths?
For example, separate Bulgarian Orthodox Church.
Not saying it should be like that, just curious.
 

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Looks excellent! I'm very interested in the mention of interfaith relations; so would it be possible for say an Orthodox ruler who reconquered the Levant and Egypt to make peace with the local Muslim rulers as opposed to force converting or displacing them all? This could lead to some interesting dynamics in large polygot empires as they drift from stability to religious strife..
 

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Can we please get a look at other tenets and doctrines, just so we can start planning out potential future modded religions?

I am almost afraid to ask, but if one was to test the limits of the new system, what would be the weirdest thing one could make with just the existing tenets and doctrines?

Please consider making same-sex relationship under mainstream Christianity "criminal" instead of "shunned". While some kings and lords and such got away with it, it wasn't because it wasn't forbidden, it was because they were too powerful for anyone to punish them. I don't think sodomy was less illegal than other categories of "deviancy".
 
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