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Yesterday should have been a dev diary day, but I forgot that May 1 is actually some sort of Red holiday, and turning up to work gets you lined up against a wall and shot. However, this is not the time to discuss the mysterious idols, totems and faiths of the previous century. Let us instead think back much further, to simpler - if no less bloody - times, before Socialist May Day, before Christian Walpurgis Night, when the bonfires blazed for the Old Gods...

To begin with, religious Moral Authority has been revamped. The base value is now determined by the number of Holy Sites under the control of the religion. On top of this, there are various timed modifiers (think character opinions) for things like winning or losing holy wars, or building temples. This new system applies to all religions, not just the pagans. The pagan religions do tend to start with fewer Holy Sites under their control, but on the other hand there are no pagan heresies to worry about.

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Now, as mentioned in previous dev diaries, pagans enjoy a number of advantages, but they also suffer from some frustrating limitations. Foremost, perhaps, is that they are stuck with Gavelkind. Pagan vassals are also a lot more suspicious of new rulers on succession (harsher "short reign" opinions), they cannot demand conversion of vassals, and they are easily impressed by the cunning missionaries of the Abrahamic religions. To avoid these problems, pagans can of course simply give up the old ways and convert, but there is another option; pagan religions can be reformed in imitation of those clever monotheists. With a proper church hierarchy, a holy book, and standardized rituals, the pagan religions can become more competitive.

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Reforming the faith is not easy; you need to control three of the holy sites and have a lot of Piety to boot. After reforming, your faith will be given a religious head. In the case of Norse Pagans, the character who conducted the reformation will become the Fylkir, serving as both secular ruler and religious leader in much the same way as an Islamic Caliph. You may now declare holy wars, both great pagan Crusades and regular religious wars against infidels. Other pagan religions get a vassal religious head, like the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.

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There are tradeoffs to reforming the faith, however. You will lose the Subjugation casus belli and the defensive home attrition, and the unreformed version of your religion will become a heresy (which can cause problems for you.) As a pagan, you will normally want to grow quickly using your invasion and subjugation CBs, and then try to either reform your religion or convert in order to consolidate and stabilize your realm...

That's all for now. Next week's topic is special pagan events and decisions!

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Bonus! Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods expansion in-depth Q&A at PC Gamer
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“It’s less than a month until the longships land to bring us The Old Gods, the pagan-focused expansion for Crusader Kings II. We’ve been keeping close tabs on new details at our Viking Analysis Desk, and today, we’ve got some extra meaty details for you. Below you’ll find our massive Q&A with project lead Henrik Fåhraeus, covering everything from concubines to pagan sacred kings.”
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Hurry up and take my money already!

Honestly you guys never cease to impress and amaze me.
 
So, I suppose the Christian Holy sites will be the patriarchies, is that correct?
And can you reveal what holy sites Islam will have?
Oh, are holy sites set for religions or religion groups?
 
Also, will all religions have the same number of holy sites? I'm having trouble thinking of holy sites for catholics other than Rome and Jerusalem.

Five for all religions. However, not all Catholic and Orthdox holy sites are especially holy, really, but central points of worship whose loss would hurt the prestige of the religion.
 
Will we be able to capture reigning female monarchs as concubines? If so, will a joint heir inherit both kingdoms, or will she be assumed dead and replaced by her brother, giving the joint child a strong claim instead?

I think I read in the Q&A from pcgamer someone posted that the answer is no. However you can take princesses and use their claims when her father/mother dies.
 
Five for all religions. However, not all Catholic and Orthdox holy sites are especially holy, really, but central points of worship whose loss would hurt the prestige of the religion.

Marvelous! And are all of those unique for each religion, or will any of these sites overlap with each other?
 
Five for all religions. However, not all Catholic and Orthdox holy sites are especially holy, really, but central points of worship whose loss would hurt the prestige of the religion.
Please Doomdark, which are that christian holy sites?
 
Five for all religions. However, not all Catholic and Orthdox holy sites are especially holy, really, but central points of worship whose loss would hurt the prestige of the religion.
Will it be possible to add more/less holy sites? It'd be nice if a scroll-bar was added if more than 5 were added for example.
Oh, and can the holy sites perhaps be changed by event?
 
So, I suppose the Christian Holy sites will be the patriarchies, is that correct?

No, that would mean that, for example, Catholicism would start at 10% Moral Authority.

And can you reveal what holy sites Islam will have?

For Sunni: Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Baghdad and Cordoba.
For Shi'a: Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Damascus and Al Nadjaf.
 
Will it be possible to add more/less holy sites? It'd be nice if a scroll-bar was added if more than 5 were added for example.
Oh, and can the holy sites perhaps be changed by event?

Less than five should be possible, but more would not fit the interface.
 
No, that would mean that, for example, Catholicism would start at 10% Moral Authority.



For Sunni: Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Baghdad and Cordoba.
For Shi'a: Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem, Damascus and Al Nadjaf.

I knew it, they overlap. Now Crusades will have far more interesting consequences, no doubt
Thank you kind sir!
 
Five for all religions. However, not all Catholic and Orthdox holy sites are especially holy, really, but central points of worship whose loss would hurt the prestige of the religion.
so presumably losing jerusalem for catholics (assuming they've held it prior) and mecca for muslims would damage Moral Authority right?

also, just a clarification, but is the Fylkir - and reformation-causing-a-ruler-to-be-one, hardcoded for the Norse, or is that also understood to be included in the "That kind of thing is fully moddable." scope? :D

btw, on a side note, that horsman sprite is part of the Norse unit sprites right? it just looks so appropriately rugged and perfect!
 
Please Doomdark, which are that christian holy sites?

Catholic: Santiago, Jerusalem, Rome, Canterbury and Cologne
Orthodox: Ephesos, Constantinople, Athens, Jerusalem and Antioch

Subject to change though...
 
question about holy sites ... what happens if the specific owner of a country with a holy site is another religion than the top liege

say Shia Fatimids ruling over Sunni Hashimids ruling over Hejaz ... for which religion would Mecca and Medina then count?
 
The PCG interview asked about the wives of male monarchs. I was wondering what would happen if we captured an actual female ruler.

Well perhaps then if she's not married, I'm under the impression that a king's wife couldn't be taken because she's married.
 
Catholic: Santiago, Jerusalem, Rome, Canterbury and Cologne
Orthodox: Ephesos, Constantinople, Athens, Jerusalem and Antioch

Subject to change though...
Are they weighed in any way? I imagine losing Rome would matter a lot more than losing Santiago.