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Folks, the Bengal tiger has been out of the bag for a week now, so I think it's time for the first dev diary on Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India! In this first entry, I will just give you a quick overview of what this new expansion to Crusader Kings II is and what it is not. In the weeks to come, I will cover each feature in detail.

First of all, why India? Well, it's always been a long-term goal of mine, and we have gone through the obvious stuff by now. The old eastern edge of the map is suboptimal, both politically and geographically. Many powerful states that interacted with Europe are cut in half, not to mention that the southeastern corner of the map is unhistorically dull. In general, adding India will make the whole Middle East more interesting to play. Most importantly though, India is such a dynamic and fascinating region!

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Now, there has been some speculation about how the map will be handled exactly, and the answer is simply that we are extending it far to the east. It's not a separate map or anything like that. This means that everyone who owns the game will be able to interact with, (and conquer!) India, whether they own Rajas of India or not.

In order to extend the map and try keep the wasteland areas to a minimum while at the same time making sure India was big enough, we had to twist the entire eastern part of the old map. While the new map projection is no more realistic per se, we did seize this opportunity to correct some fairly major problems with the old map, especially around the Caspian and Aral seas. The addition of all this new territory also meant we could finally put many provinces in their correct place (we had tended to crowd the eastern edge of the old map with provinces that were actually off map, due to their importance.) Apart from all the new Indian provinces, we have also added provinces in central Siberia, Transoxania and Afghanistan. So far, I think we're at about 330 new provinces, bringing the total count up to 1442 (including all sea zones), and it's likely we'll add some more before we're done.

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Best of all, none of this will cost you a dime. However, if you wish to play as a Hindu, Buddhist or Jain ruler - with all the associated mechanics, graphics and events - you will have to buy the expansion. You really don't want to miss out on things like reincarnation, holy cows, levitating monks, Thuggees and tiger hunts! Oh, and there will be a unique set of Indian portraits included in Rajas of India.

Can the game really handle all these new characters and provinces without slowing to a crawl? Yes. Actually, memory usage was the bigger issue, but we've comfortably reduced that by more than 300Mb, which allows us to add all the extra characters. We've also optimized the game for speed, but it might end up running a bit slower than before (though it should only be noticeable on speed 5 unless you have an ancient rig.) I should also mention that due to the drastic changes we are making to the game, old save games will not remain compatible with version 2.1! However, version 2.0.4 will remain available as a beta branch on Steam.

That's all for today folks! Peace.

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I don't think there'll be any rulers, but hopefully there will be a few courtiers. Although the game at present isn't very good at representing minority groups within a province. Perhaps it'll be something like those randomly popping up Jewish courtiers?

I would like that. Ironic that the part I'm most excited about India DLC is playing as Karen/Persia with all that new space. Last time I played I reached the atlantic because really there was little else to do after taking the Middle East.
 

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We REALLY need Steppe portraits now that the steppes are being expanded; seeing as they are adding at least one more Altaic culture to the game going by the screen shots.
I think the largest culture group warrants its own portrait besides the Mongol one. Maybe even two more; one for the more Western Turks like the Avars and the Bholgars that look more Caucasian (possibly give this one to the Magyars as well) and one for the Eastern Turks like the Cumans that look more Mongoloid.
 

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Looks like there will be a lot of wasteland to the north of India. Maybe opening the way for a Tibet expansion in the distant future :cool:
What's with this Tibet obsession? When you massed your levies together they would all just go and die of frostbite or something. The Tibetan plateau is no place for world domination! :)
 

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Looks like there will be a lot of wasteland to the north of India. Maybe opening the way for a Tibet expansion in the distant future :cool:

The problem is... Tibet was sometimes ruled by China at this time. So you must add China to add Tibet.
 

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" reincarnation, holy cows, levitating monks, Thuggees and tiger hunts!"

i hope doomdark clarifies next time by what he means by this statement. Frankly holy cows,levitating monks and Thuggees are pretty out of context and it seems to be a western stereotype.

cows are considered sacred but there arent many stories or legends of cows except nandi (shivas vahana, each god and demi god have different animals as vahana(vehicle) eg ganesha has rat,vishnu has eagle).

i have never heard of stories of leviating monks also and any indian will find this ridiculous as there is no mention of such stories as far as i know.
Thuggees seem to have come later and even from the wiki quote the first appearance is in 1300s means they should come out in late game like after or during delhi sultanate times(1100s).

instead of focussing on holy cows,thuggees and levatiating monks
there could be stuff relating to mahabarat ,ramayana or vedic stories.like antichrist or satan for india there is storyof kali yuga.
kali yuga or kalyug is when god krishna comes back to earth in a white horse and brings a new age of peace and happiness to the world vanquishing the evil present in the world,this is a popular belief.
they could even take stories from panchatantra and Hitopadesha, decisions involving sufi and bhakti saints etc.

Quoting this for summing up what a lot of people are thinking. Please make sure Indian events aren't stereotypical colonial derived views of the subcontinent, and that they would make sense to Indian rulers in a medieval Indian context.
 

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India seems kinda small, doesn't it? It's about the same size as Arabia, but shouldn't it be a little bit bigger?
 

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Quoting this for summing up what a lot of people are thinking. Please make sure Indian events aren't stereotypical colonial derived views of the subcontinent, and that they would make sense to Indian rulers in a medieval Indian context.

This brings us back to the inflammatory "Orientalist" argument. It's not really possible to ensure that Orientalist perspectives aren't inserted into India, just as much as we can't ensure that Vikings aren't stereotyped as a crazy axe wielding devotees of Thor with horns on their helmet. As a game that is intended to be enjoyable, it's natural that Paradox will insert a mixture of realistic brahmic concepts and unrealistic charicature in an attempt to make Hindu, Buddhist and Jain rulers unique. I don't mind the odd levitating monk event as long as there's one where you engage an ascetic in debate as a Hindu or consider the personhood of plants and rocks as a Jain. It becomes too Orientalist when the charicature becomes offensive and depicts the religions and cultures in a way that is unrecognisably absurd.
 

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The problem is... Tibet was sometimes ruled by China at this time. So you must add China to add Tibet.
Yep, I know it wouldn't be practical to add. I was just wildly speculating. Not to mention the unlikelyhood of anyone from India invading Tibet or vice versa in this period. I wonder if there'll be some events about monks or traders from across the mountains though...
 

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Looks great Henrik.
 

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Yep, I know it wouldn't be practical to add. I was just wildly speculating. Not to mention the unlikelyhood of anyone from India invading Tibet or vice versa in this period. I wonder if there'll be some events about monks or traders from across the mountains though...

Almost certainly events about them, I think. We already have events about traders from Hindustan, so most likely it'll change to involve traders from Cathay (China). I'm more sorely missing the Tarim Basin compared to Tibet, because even though the Chinese ruled both in the period, the Tarim Basin is effectively the most remote outpost of Indo-European civilisation, represented by the Tocharians, and was just about to be Turkified (by the Kyrgyz and Uighurs) in 867. The Tibetans were relatively stable, related to the Chinese, and remote, but the Tarim Basin was an extremely relevant place to all the Altaic tribes that are already knocking around in the game. It'd be nice to see Han Chinese making a few scripted appearances, but for now their political extent should justifiably be cut, and both Taoism and Confucianism should also be excluded for simplicity. If we do get a Han culture as an off-map culture for events or for Sinicised cultures on map, they should probably be shown as Buddhist for simplicity's sake.
 

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i want clarification regarding what paradox means by holy cows,leviating monks and thuggees.

i will give an eg for holy cows
the king sees a cow and follows later he finds it to be nandi and on following it he meets shiva.who gives him the power to vanquish his enemies.these events would be fine.

what wouldnt be fine is
i was travelling on the road and i found a cow.i didnt look at it or pray to it and now the brahmins hate me.this over respect to cows is not fine.

there is a popular theory that Hinduism accepted beef and even the brahmins ate beef.this changed after jainsim and buddhisim spread.the brahmins reformed to the current popular belief and discouraged beef eating.


thuggees , there are historical sources but these werent popular themes during medieval india.popular themes were mahabarta or ramyana related stories.instead of focusing on some event which wasnt prevalent or was in its nascent stage and bringing a wrong historical notion they should focus on some popular themes relating to medieval india.
 

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Thuggees might be the Hindu holy order. As far as i'm aware any holy order for the hindus will be anachronistic and they might have chosen Thuggees for that exact role.

Levitating monks might be an event chain comparable to the gate of hell that the Catholics have at the moment.

And you've offered up a good example yourself about what Holy Cows might be used for.