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CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations

Greetings, dear friends, and welcome to the cultural dev diary! Today, we’re going to be going over some familiar mechanics from CK2, and, relatedly, our decidedly less familiar all-new tech system!

Cultures & Culture Groups
The basic structure of the cultural system will be fairly recognisable to many of you. Every county and character on the map has a culture, representing (usually) the majority demographic for that county or the preferred customs of that character. Most cultures are based around a language, but some focus more on dialect or specific bodies of tradition, and a few are even primarily just regional.

Every culture, in turn, belongs to a culture group. These are gatherings of several cultures that, whilst distinct from one another, are nevertheless closely related. Most often this is down to a shared root culture, but in a few cases cultures have entered the same group merely by cohabiting for a long period of time.

Characters who come from completely different cultures like each other less, with characters who come from different cultures within the same group taking a reduced penalty. Like CK2, this only matters within your realm, so you won’t get grumpy at your neighbour for being different unless you’re occasionally required to talk to the lad.

Cultural preferences carry over to the peasantry: if the lord who directly holds a particular county doesn’t share that county’s culture, then that county will take a hit to popular opinion (with the hit being smaller if they’re at least part of the same culture group).

Of course, as this is only the direct holder of a county, having a good friend who understands the local customs in charge of all these strange foreign peasants can be an excellent way to stave off peasant revolts...

But what about...
… Melting pots and culture splits? Still got ‘em! We’ve even got some fancy new scripted effects to make it easier than ever to add your own.

Culture conversion is also more easily accessible: per the council task dev diary, this is now a council task, performed by your steward. You can attempt to culture convert any county in your sub-realm, though without an excellent steward or certain types of faith, it’ll likely take a while. People seldom change their culture quickly or willingly.

Show us the good stuff!
Ahhhhhh, you want to see some maps? See how granular we’re getting with our cultural setup this time around? Well, maps I’ve got! How many new cultures can you pick out?

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Cultural & Technology
In CK3, cultures mean a lot more than just a few points of opinion here and there. Cultures are now an integral part of our reworked system for technology, with eras, explicit innovations, and mechanics for tussling over the cultural heart of your people.

Innovations
Innovations are the very heart of CK3’s technological system. Each one represents a thorough proliferation of an idea, a legal practice, or a specific technology, taken to heart by any given culture, or still weird and foreign no matter its advantages. As the game progresses, cultures will slowly become more and more accustomed to the various innovations, until each innovation is thoroughly embraced and ubiquitous amongst the people of that culture. At that point, an innovation is considered “unlocked”, and its unique benefits are accessible to characters and counties of the unlocking culture.

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Benefits for each innovation vary tremendously between them. Some unlock new and better forms of succession law, some give bonuses to growth or income, some allow access to specific Men-at-Arms, or even grant entirely new CBs. We have innovations for everything from battlements to bombards, from coinage to cranes, and wootz steel to wierdijks!

Innovations broadly fall into one of three categories: military, civic, and special (a.k.a, "Cultural and Regional"), each grouped together in the interface.

Military and civic innovations typically cover what you might expect (martial and non-martial matters, respectively). All cultures can, eventually, acquire all military and civic innovations.

Special innovations behave a bit differently. A few are unlocked via special decisions and can only be acquired by taking those decisions, whilst some are cultural, requiring you to belong to a specific culture or culture group, but most are regional innovations.

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Regional innovations require you to either have at least a certain number of counties within a specific area to unlock, or else to have a certain percentage of your culture’s total counties within that area. They represent concepts and technologies that were specific to certain areas historically, rather than spreading across large areas of the globe, but which could very easily have been developed by any culture moving into that area.

Needless to say, innovations, the bonuses they provide, and the mechanics they unlock are all fully scriptable and can be modded with ease.

But how do I *unlock* an innovation?
All innovations have a small chance to progress towards being unlocked per month, affected by a few factors, with the most telling one being average development of the sum counties a culture holds. A culture that spreads recklessly will have naturally slower growth than one that exists in concentrated pockets of high development.

The major ways generation progress towards unlocking innovations are setting fascinations and exposure. Each of these affect only a single innovation at a time, though both happen simultaneously.

Exposure is a natural process, occurring when your culture has counties that border another culture with a specific innovation. The more you have in common (culture group, religion, and so on) with that other culture, and the more of its counties your culture borders, the faster you’ll unlock that innovation.

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Fascination, by contrast, is an entirely character-driven process, reflecting the drive of powerful leaders to introduce new concepts and technologies (be they original or imported) to their people. Where exposure is selected randomly from suitable innovations, fascination is deliberately selected by a specific character.

Who gets to pick? Why, the cultural head.

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Any culture with at least one landed ruler somewhere has a cultural head, who then has complete control over which fascination is selected from available innovations. The cultural head always shares the culture they are the head of, and is the character with the most counties of that culture within their sub-realm in the world.

As you can imagine, the size of the culture makes a difference in how easy it is to become (and stay) cultural head: there are many more Andalusian counties than there are, say, Cornish ones.

An important factor in unlocking innovations via fascination is the learning skill of the cultural head. An unlearned cultural head doesn’t do much to bring new ideas and technologies to their people, but an erudite scholar knows who to invite to court, how to phrase ideas in a way the peasants will accept, and how to get the nobility to see the benefit of embracing a foreign concept!

Eras
You might be thinking that this sounds a little bit disorganised. What stops me, say, unlocking bombards in the 900s and blowing my enemies away with oversized canons for the next five hundred years?

The answer to that is eras.

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In CK3, all innovations are organised into one of four eras, before being categorised into military, civic, or special. In order to begin unlocking innovations from an era, you need to have actually reached that era.

If an innovation belongs to the Tribal Era, no problem. All cultures start with the tribal era reached, and many primarily-feudal cultures will start with most (if not all) of its innovations unlocked, especially in 1066.

For the eras beyond that (the Early Medieval, High Medieval, and Late Medieval), you need to meet two criteria. The date must be at least an appropriate minimum year (e.g., the high medieval period cannot start before 1050 AD), and you must have at least 50% of the preceding era’s innovations unlocked. Further, if your cultural head is tribal, you will be unable to progress to the next era until you obtain a non-tribal cultural head. Cultures that have just left the Tribal Era will unlock innovations faster for a time, allowing them to catch up a little as medieval social and legal structures begin sweeping their lands.

Eras therefore let us gate technologies and features in stages, so that cultures which thrived in later centuries can still use their special bonuses, units, and features, but don’t get them too anachronistically.

Aaaand that about wraps it up for cultures and technology! I’ll be around the thread to answer questions for the next couple of hours, but otherwise, we’ll see you next week!
 

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That's a stretch. Both the Czech and Bavarians will be Catholic thus being a part of the same "world". Similarity between groups isn't jsut about culture in CK.

Catholic and neighbors, so they will have tech sharing etc. I know, but I still think there could be one more layer of culture groupings, for more realistic interaction throughout the timeline.

However, even that may not be enough since in that case it might group all Germanic cultures into one, and Slavic into one.
But I think they talked about bringing cultures into your culture group?
I hope I can bring Czech under my culture group as the HRE.
 

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Catholic and neighbors, so they will have tech sharing etc. I know, but I still think there could be one more layer of culture groupings, for more realistic interaction throughout the timeline.

However, even that may not be enough since in that case it might group all Germanic cultures into one, and Slavic into one.
But I think they talked about bringing cultures into your culture group?
I hope I can bring Czech under my culture group as the HRE.

There will be regional culture zones. For instance, Estonians will have longships because they are in Northern-Europe. That makes a lot of sense, as Estonians had identical (archaeological) culture with Sweden and in essence they were an integral part of the entire Nordic world. At the same time, their native language was Finnic but people living on both sides of the Baltic sea, Germanics and Finnics were most likely bilingual anyway.

I presume that the Czech and Bavarians will be in the same regional culture group.
 
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Catholic and neighbors, so they will have tech sharing etc. I know, but I still think there could be one more layer of culture groupings, for more realistic interaction throughout the timeline.

However, even that may not be enough since in that case it might group all Germanic cultures into one, and Slavic into one.
But I think they talked about bringing cultures into your culture group?
I hope I can bring Czech under my culture group as the HRE.

I had a suggestion to the forums a while back that you might like (linked here). It was to categorize cultures into two separate groupings: cultural families (based on shared heritage, so Germanic or Slavic) and regional culture groups (based on geographic proximity, so something like Central European).

Then a culture's opinions of other cultures would be based on if they share zero, one, or both of the cultural groupings. So a Swabian and a Bavarian would have a high option of each other as the belong to the same culture family and regional culture group, while they whoup have a medium opinion of the Bohemians as they only share a regional culture group (but the Bohemians would also have some level of relations with other Slavs as they share a cultural family).

The thing I personally like with this suggestion was the regional culture groups would be based on the regional technology groups. And as membership of those is based on where culture are present on the map, then the membership of each regional culture group could dynamically change if cultures move around the map. That way how cultures veiw each other isn't always static.
 
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There will be regional culture zones.
Only for those "special" technologies AFAIK. It is not a culture zone really.

I had a suggestion to the forums a while back that you might like (linked here).
This seems like a logical expansion of this shared special tech based on region that will already be in the game. I like it.
Perhaps there could be a "Fascination" type mechanic where the Culture Head could focus on "befriending" another culture as well, hastening the process of becoming part of that regional culture. So as the game starts it will be split in culture groups, but then you have this dynamic regional culture modified by: war, peace, alliances, provinces, relative technology, and "cultural fascination". I don't know how trade will be represented in CK3 but that could play a part as well.
 
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It was to categorize cultures into two separate groupings: cultural families (based on shared heritage, so Germanic or Slavic) and regional culture groups (based on geographic proximity, so something like Central European).

In your thread there was a post suggesting melting pot cultures. Got me thinking. I had a thread suggesting melting pot to deal with the static ethnicity tied to culture problem. Where an ethnicity would replace another with the culture change. But if, in a dynamic system, a culture conquering another, would override its cultural assets, but create an ethnicity mix and a new culture (if not actively prevented in events lets say). Imagine how for example Sicilians would be handled if you combined my suggestion with the one in your thread. You would have a culture that looked sicilian, and also a realistic relation boost with parent cultures, showing their "otherness" to the parent cultures and their uniqueness, both in opinions and appearance. Of course all this could and should also work with your original suggestion of regional culture zones.

A man can dream.
 
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Only for those "special" technologies AFAIK. It is not a culture zone really.


This seems like a logical expansion of this shared special tech based on region that will already be in the game. I like it.
Perhaps there could be a "Fascination" type mechanic where the Culture Head could focus on "befriending" another culture as well, hastening the process of becoming part of that regional culture. So as the game starts it will be split in culture groups, but then you have this dynamic regional culture modified by: war, peace, alliances, provinces, relative technology, and "cultural fascination". I don't know how trade will be represented in CK3 but that could play a part as well.

A more flexible version of regional cultures that allows for some direct player involvement is an interesting suggestion. Could make it a much more interactive system even for players who aren't conquering.

In your thread there was a post suggesting melting pot cultures. Got me thinking. I had a thread suggesting melting pot to deal with the static ethnicity tied to culture problem. Where an ethnicity would replace another with the culture change. But if, in a dynamic system, a culture conquering another, would override its cultural assets, but create an ethnicity mix and a new culture (if not actively prevented in events lets say). Imagine how for example Sicilians would be handled if you combined my suggestion with the one in your thread. You would have a culture that looked sicilian, and also a realistic relation boost with parent cultures, showing their "otherness" to the parent cultures and their uniqueness, both in opinions and appearance. Of course all this could and should also work with your original suggestion of regional culture zones.

A man can dream.

Yeah, if I understand you correctly, could have cultures that join a new regional culture group have their ethnicity values, that are used for spawning new couriers, tweaked to take on some of the new features of the region they just joined (to simulate mixing with the local people).
 

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Yeah, if I understand you correctly, could have cultures that join a new regional culture group have their ethnicity values, that are used for spawning new couriers, tweaked to take on some of the new features of the region they just joined (to simulate mixing with the local people).

I just didn't like in CK2 where culture = ethnicity. In reality the French are still mostly Gauls, biologically, yet their culture and language has changed quite a bit ;)
I didn't mean to make a new ethnicity mix based on the regional culture thing, that was only for conquering. As in reality a mix of ideas, language and trade goods =/= marriages. As we see in reality, when even when new provinces are conquered, the people doesn't change necesserily. So perhaps my initial suggestion belongs in the trash. A solution might be ethnicity being stored as a province value, that doesn't change on culture change, unless through certain decisions or events.

Anything else than people just disappearing from the face of the earth when you tired old councillor is finished with his disturbing "mission".