CK3: Tours and Tournaments - The Vision

[Raz157]

are we going to have dds on tuesdays or monday?

 

[EndymionDreaming]

Welp guess we have to wait (at least) another year for functional crusades, meaningful religions, and distinct governments. Glad we're finally getting regents, but I'm really puzzled why the rest of this stuff is the priority when so much of the rest of the game is lacking mechanically.

I believe this is a strong potential mechanic if implemented in the future.

Getting to and from crusades becomes interesting. You might have to actually plan a long voyage to Jerusalem from England, choosing whether you should travel with the army, or in style, enabling events (I mean, read up on everything that happened on the way to the crusades)

Distinct governments as well, i'd love to be able to set up a large trade voyage across different lands.

I get the issue but I think this is a very big potentially strong mechanic both for modders and future development, this seems very cool.

 

[Torngasuk]

Will this system be moddable? Please please please say yes.

I'd say that's a safe bet: the past DLC have been plenty moddable, and I (for one) intend to sink my claws into this at the first opportunity.

 

[Trunting]

I like the new tour system. This is what I always wanted, because medieval rulers in Europe traveled alot.

 

[sancredo]

There seems to be a disconnect between what content is being produced and the expectations of long-time fans of the franchise. It is sad

Absolutely this. It's sad and, honestly, pretty underwhelming.

 

[OnceSetCannotBeChanged]

Do you really think that they are gonna lay out every itty bitty feature in the very first Dev Diary? If the following ones disappoint you and everyone else, then I encourage you to be upset. But people are rushing to conclusions, are they not?

No, of course they not. However, with this post, they've set the stage for what they view as the most important features for a year's worth of development of the game. Based on those features, I dislike the prioritizations they made, so I'm voicing my displeasure.

 

[Choorus]

CK3 did, on design and architectural level religions far better than CK2.
However instead of using that great potential as a foundation of an engine capable of telling the story of the Great Western and Eastern Schisms and the Church Councils, it has decided to go for bespoke heresies. Rather meh for me.
It's been a long time and I, as a fan, feel abandoned. CK3 is not becoming more of a grand strategy. It's getting more of the "story content", which is not, what I come for, when launching PDS games.
Now it builds the routing systems, but instead of making it a key government mechanic for the rex itinerans, the Medieval travelling kings governing by travelling, we get this.
I don't share the CK3 vision presented by consecutive DLCs.
I want a medieval dynastical feudal ruler simulator. That's what CK3 should strive to become. As of now, I think I'll load up CK2 with HIP and some additional bells and whistles.

 

[Silens]

I've wanted more peacetime content, more things to spend my gold on, more realistic mechanics for travel. In that regard my expectations are met. Regencies are also not unexpected at this point.

I just wish coronations were part of it. And that there was a release date.

 

[Monalba]

Cool concept.

It also adds some stuff that people has been asking for (Weddings are back, visiting your realm is neat).
Seems like diplomacy will be expanded a bit, with the tours and regencies.
Regents won't just take charge (apparently) when the ruler is incapable (sick, old), but also when he's simply not available (travelling? prisoner? partying?). This can be great, it might encourage you to pick a ''bad'' ruler that does nothing but party, while your capable regent takes charge of everything. And vice versa, support a bad king so you can be their regent.

They've also mentioned a different in styles and clothes for early and late western Europe. Cool, cool.

HOWEVER, no release date (Jesus Christ, it's been more than 2 years since the game launched...), no price tag (I assume 30€, but frankly, what we've been shown seems like 20€, like CK2 expansions).
It's also more content for Western Europe... and it's not even deep stuff.

Religion is still a joke in the game. Economy and warfare are barebones.
For people like me, starving for content, this doesn't seem like much, but it will probably be a nice addition for those that pick up the game in 3 years.

 

[Crinkler]

I like this, but as others are saying, roleplay would be far better if we had mechanics to reinforce the idea of ruling as a monarch, not just their personal lives.

 

[Diskianterezh]

That's good content.

I hoped more mechanical changes, and I don't really cared about tournaments at all, but you hook me interested. This looks polished and flexible.

Ok Paradox, show me where this goes.

 

[Pistike]

The new armors looks nice on the steam page.

And that's about this expansion thus far.

 

[Herennius]

Looks nice for a first look

I especially like weddings getting some (bloody) love, regencies and a traveling court. The changes to hunfts/feasts/pilgrimages are welcome as well, as those activities currently soon become too repetitive.

Does this come with a tweaking of existing events to make location matter more? Or can you still go on a fishing trip - not to a pond in your forest, but into another realm hundreds of miles away. Will you still randomly encounter foreign rulers on a stroll through your castle or town?

Will pre-existing events be modified to take into account the location of your character?

Yes, absolutely. Events needs (beside other restrictions) to pick geographically resonable participants or they will continue to break immersion, inclulding the increase amount provided by this DLC in that regard.

 

[Torngasuk]

I've wanted more peacetime content, more things to spend my gold on, more realistic mechanics for travel. In that regard my expectations are met. Regencies are also not unexpected at this point.

I just wish coronations were part of it. And that there was a release date.

More expenses are a big one for me, too. I've always wanted gold to be plausibly easy come, easy go - an abundance of sources of income, but always an even greater plethora of things to spend it on, and this sounds like it will check a lot of those boxes nicely.

 

[Niall9]

So initial response is undecided.

The key issue with Royal Court was it was a function I could largely ignore. There was no real motivation for me as a player to ever Hold Court beyond pure RP.

I think if they can provide a motivation for why I as a player should plan a big wedding or tournament: clear benefits as well as obvious risks. Then it will be a much more rewarding mechanic.

 

[Thessian85]

Very interesting but we can't see any "crusader" here...

 

[firespark 84]

Gotta love how this announcement shows a critical flaw in the game’s direction with a simple line: “duke” andronikos. The fact that a game about the Middle Ages still shows the Eastern Roman Empire as just another feudal state years after it’s launch is crazy, and another commenter pointed out how the papacy still has no influence on the monarchs of Europe, and they barely interact with each other beyond the player going “gib gold” whenever they get 250 piety. There is a reason I’m more excited for first contact, the story pack for stellaris then this, a full expansion: because first contact has clear mechanical impact, that serves rp, but primarily focuses on mechanical impact to tell those stories. This looks like just another event spammer like royal court. The only reason I’m still playing ck3 at this point is because of the graphical and ui improvement over ck2 and my 100 mod mod list with mods like dtr which add some mechanical improvements.

 

[SilentReflection]

I’m guessing the cost of Grand Activities increases with eras.

 

[TripleAgent]

I believe this is a strong potential mechanic if implemented in the future.

I've been saying this line for years but unfortunately it feels like the "if implemented in the future" part gets more and more difficult each discrete and separate system they tack on while the underlying mechanics are still broken.

The court system is a strong potential mechanic, but it's poorly implemented, repetitive, and takes me out of the game more often than it immerses me.

The artifact system is a strong potential mechanic, but it's poorly implemented, a chore to manage, and there's very little in terms of concrete benefit besides a few numbers going up.

The struggle system is a strong potential mechanic, but there's been nothing done with it outside the incredibly limited scope of Iberia.

I'd vastly prefer these systems be strengthened and improved before adding ANOTHER system that has strong potential.

Again, at least we're getting regents, that's a step in the right direction, but it's hard to be excited about this when I've been disappointed by the direction of the DLCs so far and, in spite them saying that they're listening and will have something for the more mechanically inclined players, it feels like we're getting more half-baked RP stuff that's trying to paint over the gaping hole in the wall.

 

[BrotherJonathan]

I honestly don't understand why so many people seem to be annoyed or angry about this. It gives a lot of things that would make the game better, like meaningful regencies and expanded pilgrimages and interactions with vassals.

 

[Syt]

I like the new tour system. This is what I always wanted, because medieval rulers in Europe traveled alot.

Agreed. I hope it also makes it harder to keep large realms together - IRL the Emperors of the HRE had to split time between the North and South of the realm, usually leading to trouble in any area from which they were away.