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CK3 Dev Diary #78: Taking Language to Court

Hello there, and welcome to the 78th CK3 Dev Diary!

I am Mrop, one of the User Experience Designers on CK3. Last dev diary, we had a look at languages your Character can learn on their own. Today, we are having a look at how language relates to your Royal Court: Your Court Language.

Court Language in History​

Historically, it was not always so that nobles spoke the same language as the commoners. Rather, it was seen as more prestigious to speak another country’s language to show that you were cultivated enough to suck up to your superiors.

One of the most well known examples of this is how French was spoken across many courts across Europe around the reign of Louis XIV. This is outside the timeframe of Crusader Kings, but there are earlier examples; Norman nobles who invaded England together with William the Conqueror continued to speak French, influencing the development of the English language as we know it today.

Court Language and Grandeur​

Each Ruler with a Royal Court has a language chosen as their Court Language. At the start of the game this is determined by what historically was used. If you get a Royal Court later, its Court Language will simply be your native language. You can, of course, choose to change it!

Each language you can pick as your Court Language changes the Court Grandeur Baseline. You may recall that Grandeur and this Baseline was explained in Dev Diary 61. As a refresher, your Court Grandeur measures how impressive your Royal Court is. Each month, it moves slowly towards the Baseline value. Changing your Court Language will therefore take time to actually have an effect on your court’s Grandeur.


The button to change your Court Language is located in your Royal Court


So how much Grandeur can you get from a certain Court Language?

The largest share of Court Grandeur comes from the pecking order of all Royal Courts who speak that language.

The Royal Court with the highest Court Grandeur is considered the “leader” of that language, and gains Court Grandeur based on how many Royal Courts speak that language. So if you are the leader of a language, you want as many Courts as possible to adopt it! Naturally, you only gain this Grandeur if you can actually speak the language!

On the other hand, if you are not the grandest Court of the language, you gain Court Grandeur based on the difference of your Grandeur, and the Grandeur of the leading Court. Speaking the Language is not required for this bonus, so even if your neighbors have a language you cannot speak you can attempt to impress them by following their lead.

In addition to this pecking order, you also gain Grandeur for each County in your Realm that speaks your Court Language, but only if you know the language personally. Finally, if your Court Language is also your native Language, you gain an extra 25% bonus to all the impacts your Court Language has on your Court Grandeur.

Here is an example of a calculation for having your native Language as Court Language (actual values are very much temporary):

An example calculation of Court Grandeur gained from your Court Language


Since you gain extra Grandeur for matching your Court Language with your native Language, you may want to create a new Hybrid or Divergent Culture (as described in Dev Diary 65) to adapt to the language your Realm or Court prefers.

All in all, this means that weaker and less grand Royal Courts will tend to choose the Court Language of a local, more grand Royal Court. The AI is also more restricted than players, such as taking the Faith of the speakers of the Court Language into account.

Eventually, once your Royal Court becomes grand enough, it is usually time to choose a language of your own as the Court Language, and start attracting lesser Courts to adopt it.

Finding Court Language in the Game​

You can, as shown above, select your Court Language inside your Royal Court, which takes you to a special map mode of all Court Languages in the world.

A special Map Mode showing all Court Languages of the World


You can also directly adopt the language of a certain Culture by clicking on the button next to the language in that Cultures own View.

You can directly adopt a Language as a Court Language in the Culture View


Beware however, not everyone may speak your Court Language that well (including yourself), so the threat of embarrassment is ever present. Just like in real life.

An embarrassing situation occurs when one of your Vassals cannot speak your Court Language

Court Language Spread​


Seeing your Court Language spread is one major way to understand how influential your court becomes over the years.

To see Court Languages spread, let us have a look at the game! Here, each Royal Court that speaks the same Court Language is shown on the map.

Here is the map at game start in 867 AD. You can see languages such as Arabic being used in the Habbari Sultanate (roughly in modern day Pakistan), and how the king of Bulgaria has chosen Greek due to the influence of nearby Byzantium.

Court Languages Map in 867


100 years later, Magadhan is slowly becoming more popular in India, and the Kingdom of Italy have adopted French as their Court Language.

Court Languages Map in 967


In 1067, a century later, Greek is spreading to the newly formed Kingdoms in the Empire of Khazaria. Some new languages like Berber also pop up.

Court Languages Map in 1067


Finally, in 1167, we see four languages dominate the courts of the world. Greek has spread through the now shattered Empire of Khazaria, and is also making its way down to Africa. At the same time, there is still room for smaller Court Languages like Shaz Turkic to thrive.

Court Languages Map in 1167


That is all for now; thank you for reading!
 
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Since Ordonnance de Villers-Cotterêts seted french language(based on that very times paris accent)as the offical language of roi france in the 16th century,I don't think there is such a thing called french.It's unwise to have that language in 9th century or 11th century,the kingdom of west francia offcial lanuguage is classical latin and frankish in spoken in noble class. And there is no reason make the high german being a lingua franca in HRE, because many of emperor come from saxon area and put the empire focus in italy, I see no reason why high german is important.
 
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Sounds really really cool, but i'm also very afraid to see cultural blobbing by the richest and (ahistorical)most stable country in the game: Byzantium, I'm looking at you.
As I see the Greek is already moving steadily in Africa (I don't understand this, there are not so many contacts between these two regions, except Ethiopia but on religious grounds), I can bet my 50cents that, by the end of the Game's timeline, almost 80% of the Royal Courts in the world, from Iceland to Delhi, will speak Greek.

As too often, very cool idea and dynamic but huge risk that it will become "flat" very soon
 
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Am I crazy or is there no downside to just picking the biggest language? The byzantine emperor will invest thousands of gold to increase their grandeur and I’ll get some of that for free. I don’t even have to speak it.
I am very afraid that all the World will speak Greek very fast
 
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Hello there, and welcome to the 78th CK3 Dev Diary!

I am Mrop, one of the User Experience Designers on CK3. Last dev diary, we had a look at languages your Character can learn on their own. Today, we are having a look at how language relates to your Royal Court: Your Court Language.

Court Language in History​

Historically, it was not always so that nobles spoke the same language as the commoners. Rather, it was seen as more prestigious to speak another country’s language to show that you were cultivated enough to suck up to your superiors.

One of the most well known examples of this is how French was spoken across many courts across Europe around the reign of Louis XIV. This is outside the timeframe of Crusader Kings, but there are earlier examples; Norman nobles who invaded England together with William the Conqueror continued to speak French, influencing the development of the English language as we know it today.

Court Language and Grandeur​

Each Ruler with a Royal Court has a language chosen as their Court Language. At the start of the game this is determined by what historically was used. If you get a Royal Court later, its Court Language will simply be your native language. You can, of course, choose to change it!

Each language you can pick as your Court Language changes the Court Grandeur Baseline. You may recall that Grandeur and this Baseline was explained in Dev Diary 61. As a refresher, your Court Grandeur measures how impressive your Royal Court is. Each month, it moves slowly towards the Baseline value. Changing your Court Language will therefore take time to actually have an effect on your court’s Grandeur.


View attachment 766162

So how much Grandeur can you get from a certain Court Language?

The largest share of Court Grandeur comes from the pecking order of all Royal Courts who speak that language.

The Royal Court with the highest Court Grandeur is considered the “leader” of that language, and gains Court Grandeur based on how many Royal Courts speak that language. So if you are the leader of a language, you want as many Courts as possible to adopt it! Naturally, you only gain this Grandeur if you can actually speak the language!

On the other hand, if you are not the grandest Court of the language, you gain Court Grandeur based on the difference of your Grandeur, and the Grandeur of the leading Court. Speaking the Language is not required for this bonus, so even if your neighbors have a language you cannot speak you can attempt to impress them by following their lead.

In addition to this pecking order, you also gain Grandeur for each County in your Realm that speaks your Court Language, but only if you know the language personally. Finally, if your Court Language is also your native Language, you gain an extra 25% bonus to all the impacts your Court Language has on your Court Grandeur.

Here is an example of a calculation for having your native Language as Court Language (actual values are very much temporary):

View attachment 766163

Since you gain extra Grandeur for matching your Court Language with your native Language, you may want to create a new Hybrid or Divergent Culture (as described in Dev Diary 65) to adapt to the language your Realm or Court prefers.

All in all, this means that weaker and less grand Royal Courts will tend to choose the Court Language of a local, more grand Royal Court. The AI is also more restricted than players, such as taking the Faith of the speakers of the Court Language into account.

Eventually, once your Royal Court becomes grand enough, it is usually time to choose a language of your own as the Court Language, and start attracting lesser Courts to adopt it.

Finding Court Language in the Game​

You can, as shown above, select your Court Language inside your Royal Court, which takes you to a special map mode of all Court Languages in the world.

View attachment 766164

You can also directly adopt the language of a certain Culture by clicking on the button next to the language in that Cultures own View.

View attachment 766169

Beware however, not everyone may speak your Court Language that well (including yourself), so the threat of embarrassment is ever present. Just like in real life.

View attachment 766186

Court Language Spread​


Seeing your Court Language spread is one major way to understand how influential your court becomes over the years.

To see Court Languages spread, let us have a look at the game! Here, each Royal Court that speaks the same Court Language is shown on the map.

Here is the map at game start in 867 AD. You can see languages such as Arabic being used in the Habbari Sultanate (roughly in modern day Pakistan), and how the king of Bulgaria has chosen Greek due to the influence of nearby Byzantium.

View attachment 766174

100 years later, Magadhan is slowly becoming more popular in India, and the Kingdom of Italy have adopted French as their Court Language.

View attachment 766175

In 1067, a century later, Greek is spreading to the newly formed Kingdoms in the Empire of Khazaria. Some new languages like Berber also pop up.

View attachment 766176

Finally, in 1167, we see four languages dominate the courts of the world. Greek has spread through the now shattered Empire of Khazaria, and is also making its way down to Africa. At the same time, there is still room for smaller Court Languages like Shaz Turkic to thrive.

View attachment 766177

That is all for now; thank you for reading!
Are you separating languages into correct period stages. For example High German is just a name for the group of all High German languages that were spoken throughout history:
Old High German from 750 until 1050
Middle High German from1050 until 1500
The same would be true for English with Old English (500 to ca.1200) to Middle English (ca. 1100 to ca.1450).
 
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Are you separating languages into correct period stages. For example High German is just a name for the group of all High German languages that were spoken throughout history:
Old High German from 750 until 1050
Middle High German from1050 until 1500
The same would be true for English with Old English (500 to ca.1200) to Middle English (ca. 1100 to ca.1450).
They have already said that they would consolidate languages together for gameplay, you can see this with Iberian or Brythonic
 
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I am half a mind to start counting comments that ask (in some form) one of the following:
1)"Where is Latin?" In Italy, in churches (they have mentioned something about priests and Latin in earlier diaries) and, as a simplification, in Vlach territories (which we don't see on the map because they don't have a court of their own and even if they did it would likely be Greek because Byzantine influence). After Karolingian Renaissance, having Latin at French court would be doubtful; HRE arguably did use (some version of) German; and we don't see any other courts in the traditional zone of Latin influence.
2)"When is the release date?" 2021, but they clearly aren't going to reveal more just yet.
3)"What the hell is Iberian?" Reflection of the Proto-Ibero-Romance and its immediate offsprings such as Galician-Portuguese, Asturleonese and Aragonese-Castilian (perhaps also Catalan-Occitan, perhaps not - the map does not allow us to judge that). Remember that the game's Languages reflect closely related groups (and yes, by that token they should indeed have united Slavic). And yes, Navarran court used that not the rural Basque (just like later Lithuania used Polish and neither Lithuanian nor western East Slavic which were what most people spoke there).
4)"Why Iranian not Persian/Farsi?" Again, because it aims to reflect a number of related languages.
5)"Why is half the map empty?" Because only clan/feudal governments of king-level or higher qualify for having a royal court and thus a court language.
Will there be any advantages if you choose the language of the majority of your population(like adopting english after conqueting england as william the conqueror)?
I have to note William never did that.
 
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Since Ordonnance de Villers-Cotterêts seted french language(based on that very times paris accent)as the offical language of roi france in the 16th century,I don't think there is such a thing called french.It's unwise to have that language in 9th century or 11th century,the kingdom of west francia offcial lanuguage is classical latin and frankish in spoken in noble class. And there is no reason make the high german being a lingua franca in HRE, because many of emperor come from saxon area and put the empire focus in italy, I see no reason why high german is important.
Chaucer, writing around 1400, mentions the French language by name.

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They have already said that they would consolidate languages together for gameplay, you can see this with Iberian or Brythonic
nope, that was about groupings in regard to related languages who lived parallel to each other (such as old english, low german, frisian which are very similar languages and people could communicate with each other. this question is about separating a language into its historical stages.....
 
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nope, that was about groupings in regard to related languages who lived parallel to each other (such as old english, low german, frisian which are very similar languages and people could communicate with each other. this question is about separating a language into its historical stages.....
You're asking if languages will be evolving throughout a run? No they haven't said as such for now
 

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If Tibetan is doing really well on the Eastern edge of the map, would I maximize my grandeur by adopting it as my court language over in Ireland? Are there any impediments to doing so?
 
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Hello and thank you for all the questions, I will try to answer the ones I can below.

  • Will the court language be easier to learn ? Do we get a bonus ?
Not directly as a bonus, but you can invite a linguist to help you learn it faster.

  • Could it influence the AI to adpot the corresponding culture after a while?
Since each language can be used by multiple cultures (and cultures are dynamic), there often no corresponding culture to adopt.

Hmm, I got a question.
Let's say you want a language that isn't that big at the start to become a court language spoken at many courts.
Is there a way to promote that language other than blobbing?
You promote your language by increasing your Court Grandeur. There are many ways, spending gold, acquiring artifacts. You don't necessarily have to have a large Realm to have high Grandeur.

Will there be any advantages if you choose the language of the majority of your population(like adopting english after conqueting england as william the conqueror)?
Yes, you gain more Grandeur from your Court Language if it is also used in Counties in your Realm.


Was there any particular reason this happened? Did christianity also spread to West Africa in this instant?
I don't know, this was from a hands-off game and it went a bit off-road. I suspect it is due to Christianity spreading.

Will Papal States have royal court with latin language?
Papal States have the Theocracy government so they do not have a Royal Court.
 
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Are you separating languages into correct period stages. For example High German is just a name for the group of all High German languages that were spoken throughout history:
Old High German from 750 until 1050
Middle High German from1050 until 1500
The same would be true for English with Old English (500 to ca.1200) to Middle English (ca. 1100 to ca.1450).
I don't know about High German, but this is a real potential issue with Old and Middle English; whilst one may be descended from the other, they aren't remotely mutually intelligible. The transition from Old to Middle English is so dramatic that some consider Middle English to be more accurately described as a P̶i̶d̶g̶i̶n̶ Edit: Creole. A native speaker of Old English would have had no problems at all communicating with someone speaking Old Frisian, and would have been able to understand someone speaking Old Norse with a bit of effort, whereas someone speaking Middle English would have no such luck, other than with someone speaking Lowland Scots.

I'd genuinely be tempted to have them in two different language families: The language of the English and Scots culture in one, and that of the Anglo-Saxons in another.

Edit: My bad, it's considered by some to be a Creole, not a Pidgin.
 
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