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CK3 Dev Diary #78: Taking Language to Court

Hello there, and welcome to the 78th CK3 Dev Diary!

I am Mrop, one of the User Experience Designers on CK3. Last dev diary, we had a look at languages your Character can learn on their own. Today, we are having a look at how language relates to your Royal Court: Your Court Language.

Court Language in History​

Historically, it was not always so that nobles spoke the same language as the commoners. Rather, it was seen as more prestigious to speak another country’s language to show that you were cultivated enough to suck up to your superiors.

One of the most well known examples of this is how French was spoken across many courts across Europe around the reign of Louis XIV. This is outside the timeframe of Crusader Kings, but there are earlier examples; Norman nobles who invaded England together with William the Conqueror continued to speak French, influencing the development of the English language as we know it today.

Court Language and Grandeur​

Each Ruler with a Royal Court has a language chosen as their Court Language. At the start of the game this is determined by what historically was used. If you get a Royal Court later, its Court Language will simply be your native language. You can, of course, choose to change it!

Each language you can pick as your Court Language changes the Court Grandeur Baseline. You may recall that Grandeur and this Baseline was explained in Dev Diary 61. As a refresher, your Court Grandeur measures how impressive your Royal Court is. Each month, it moves slowly towards the Baseline value. Changing your Court Language will therefore take time to actually have an effect on your court’s Grandeur.


The button to change your Court Language is located in your Royal Court


So how much Grandeur can you get from a certain Court Language?

The largest share of Court Grandeur comes from the pecking order of all Royal Courts who speak that language.

The Royal Court with the highest Court Grandeur is considered the “leader” of that language, and gains Court Grandeur based on how many Royal Courts speak that language. So if you are the leader of a language, you want as many Courts as possible to adopt it! Naturally, you only gain this Grandeur if you can actually speak the language!

On the other hand, if you are not the grandest Court of the language, you gain Court Grandeur based on the difference of your Grandeur, and the Grandeur of the leading Court. Speaking the Language is not required for this bonus, so even if your neighbors have a language you cannot speak you can attempt to impress them by following their lead.

In addition to this pecking order, you also gain Grandeur for each County in your Realm that speaks your Court Language, but only if you know the language personally. Finally, if your Court Language is also your native Language, you gain an extra 25% bonus to all the impacts your Court Language has on your Court Grandeur.

Here is an example of a calculation for having your native Language as Court Language (actual values are very much temporary):

An example calculation of Court Grandeur gained from your Court Language


Since you gain extra Grandeur for matching your Court Language with your native Language, you may want to create a new Hybrid or Divergent Culture (as described in Dev Diary 65) to adapt to the language your Realm or Court prefers.

All in all, this means that weaker and less grand Royal Courts will tend to choose the Court Language of a local, more grand Royal Court. The AI is also more restricted than players, such as taking the Faith of the speakers of the Court Language into account.

Eventually, once your Royal Court becomes grand enough, it is usually time to choose a language of your own as the Court Language, and start attracting lesser Courts to adopt it.

Finding Court Language in the Game​

You can, as shown above, select your Court Language inside your Royal Court, which takes you to a special map mode of all Court Languages in the world.

A special Map Mode showing all Court Languages of the World


You can also directly adopt the language of a certain Culture by clicking on the button next to the language in that Cultures own View.

You can directly adopt a Language as a Court Language in the Culture View


Beware however, not everyone may speak your Court Language that well (including yourself), so the threat of embarrassment is ever present. Just like in real life.

An embarrassing situation occurs when one of your Vassals cannot speak your Court Language

Court Language Spread​


Seeing your Court Language spread is one major way to understand how influential your court becomes over the years.

To see Court Languages spread, let us have a look at the game! Here, each Royal Court that speaks the same Court Language is shown on the map.

Here is the map at game start in 867 AD. You can see languages such as Arabic being used in the Habbari Sultanate (roughly in modern day Pakistan), and how the king of Bulgaria has chosen Greek due to the influence of nearby Byzantium.

Court Languages Map in 867


100 years later, Magadhan is slowly becoming more popular in India, and the Kingdom of Italy have adopted French as their Court Language.

Court Languages Map in 967


In 1067, a century later, Greek is spreading to the newly formed Kingdoms in the Empire of Khazaria. Some new languages like Berber also pop up.

Court Languages Map in 1067


Finally, in 1167, we see four languages dominate the courts of the world. Greek has spread through the now shattered Empire of Khazaria, and is also making its way down to Africa. At the same time, there is still room for smaller Court Languages like Shaz Turkic to thrive.

Court Languages Map in 1167


That is all for now; thank you for reading!
 
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Yes.

And Iberian works okay as a culture group, but I've no idea what it's supposed to mean in the context of a court language. Basque shouldn't be in it, either (again, if we're talking about languages).
Basque is confirmed to be a separate Language so it seems that Iberian represents the different Romance languages of the Iberian peninsula. Though maybe Catalan is joined with Occitan, as they are very similar.
 
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While it looks like there's still some details to work out, I like this. Happy that language will be dynamic and actually impact the game, as opposed to just being an opinion buff/debuff.
 
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Because it would make little sense for someone who speaks Aragonese to have learn Castillian. Most of those languages are mutually intelligible now and it was even more then, so making them different languages would not represent the reality correctly.
Catalan and Valencian are more similar to Occitan than to Castilian.
Likewise, Occitan is more similar to Catalan and Valencian than it is to French.

Iberian languages aren't a language isolate, but belong to a broader spectrum of Latin-based languages, they didnt even diverge from a common ancestor that can be abstracted as "Iberian", Galician, Asturian and Castilian developed from Asturian Latin while Catalan did so from Occitan.

If we want to make languages represent broader linguistic groups to avoid immensely cluttering the language map with every known dialect then i would still divide the Latin Languages in:
Franco-Provencal (French and Arpitan)
Ibero-Occitan (Catalan, Occitan)
West Iberian (Galician, Asturian, Castilian)
Gallo-Italic (Northern Italy)
Italic (Central and Southern Italy)
East-Romance (Romanian)

"Iberian" just doesn't make sense, not even taking into consideration Basque which is even more distinct from Castilian than Lithuanian is.
 
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Is Latin an option? @Mrop
 
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Catalan and Valencian are more similar to Occitan than to Castilian.
Likewise, Occitan is more similar to Catalan and Valencian than it is to French.

Iberian languages aren't a language isolate, but belong to a broader spectrum of Latin-based languages

If we want to make langiages represent broader linguistic groups to avoid immensely cluttering the language map the i would still divide the Latin Languages in:
Franco-Provencal (French and Arpitan)
Ibero-Occitan (Catalan, Occitan)
West Iberian (Galician, Asturian, Castilian)
Gallo-Italic (Northern Italy)
Italic (Central and Southern Italy)
East-Romance (Romanian)

"Iberian" just doesn't make sense, not even taking into consideration Basque which is even more distinct from Castilian than Lithuanian is.
Basque is confirmed to be a separate Language so it seems that Iberian represents the different Romance languages of the Iberian peninsula. Though maybe Catalan is joined with Occitan, as they are very similar.
As I already noted in my previous comment, Basque is already confirmed as a separate language from Iberian. We don't know about Catalan but probably is in the same boat as Occitan. That would make "Iberian" an umbrella term for Galician, Asturleonese, Castillia, Navarrese Romance and Aragonese, which makes sense to be part of the same if you read their Medieval texts.
 
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As I already noted in my previous comment, Basque is already confirmed as a separate language from Iberian. We don't know about Catalan but probably is in the same boat as Occitan. That would make "Iberian" an umbrella term for Galician, Asturleonese, Castillia, Navarrese Romance and Aragonese, which makes sense to be part of the same if you read their Medieval texts.
I guess I can live with that, especially considering that there was overlap within these languages within the same court.
Example, in the Court of Léon, Galician was used in Lyrics and Poetry, while Castilian was used in administrative documentation.
 
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For me this 'language to court' looks like a little bit phony... Run out of fresh ideas?

(OBS: IMHO of course)
 
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Yes.

And Iberian works okay as a culture group, but I've no idea what it's supposed to mean in the context of a court language. Basque shouldn't be in it, either (again, if we're talking about languages).
There is no Kingdom tier basque realm so they show up as Iberian. Simple as that.

On the other hand you can see Armenian and Iranian striped under Arabic in some screenshots cause there are vassals kings.
 
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Hmm, I got a question.
Let's say you want a language that isn't that big at the start to become a court language spoken at many courts.
Is there a way to promote that language other than blobbing?
 
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Basque is confirmed to be a separate Language so it seems that Iberian represents the different Romance languages of the Iberian peninsula. Though maybe Catalan is joined with Occitan, as they are very similar.
Catalan culture should have the same language as Occitan since its part of the same language family
 
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Hmm, I got a question.
Let's say you want a language that isn't that big at the start to become a court language spoken at many courts.
Is there a way to promote that language other than blobbing?

Putting people from your culture on foreign thrones ?
 
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Will there be any advantages if you choose the language of the majority of your population(like adopting english after conqueting england as william the conqueror)?
 
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To me this language aspect is taking it too far. I don't want to be bothered by choosing languages all the time. Royal Court seems to dive to deep into systems and aspects that are simply not that interesting from a gameplay perspective. So i choose my court language and then dont pay attention for 100s of years.
 
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Was there any particular reason this happened? Did christianity also spread to West Africa in this instant?

I assume they are Christian countries, and Ethiopian ruler wanted to adopt the religion of a nearby strong Christian country. From there, it spread westwards.
 
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