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CK3 Dev Diary #78: Taking Language to Court

Hello there, and welcome to the 78th CK3 Dev Diary!

I am Mrop, one of the User Experience Designers on CK3. Last dev diary, we had a look at languages your Character can learn on their own. Today, we are having a look at how language relates to your Royal Court: Your Court Language.

Court Language in History​

Historically, it was not always so that nobles spoke the same language as the commoners. Rather, it was seen as more prestigious to speak another country’s language to show that you were cultivated enough to suck up to your superiors.

One of the most well known examples of this is how French was spoken across many courts across Europe around the reign of Louis XIV. This is outside the timeframe of Crusader Kings, but there are earlier examples; Norman nobles who invaded England together with William the Conqueror continued to speak French, influencing the development of the English language as we know it today.

Court Language and Grandeur​

Each Ruler with a Royal Court has a language chosen as their Court Language. At the start of the game this is determined by what historically was used. If you get a Royal Court later, its Court Language will simply be your native language. You can, of course, choose to change it!

Each language you can pick as your Court Language changes the Court Grandeur Baseline. You may recall that Grandeur and this Baseline was explained in Dev Diary 61. As a refresher, your Court Grandeur measures how impressive your Royal Court is. Each month, it moves slowly towards the Baseline value. Changing your Court Language will therefore take time to actually have an effect on your court’s Grandeur.


The button to change your Court Language is located in your Royal Court


So how much Grandeur can you get from a certain Court Language?

The largest share of Court Grandeur comes from the pecking order of all Royal Courts who speak that language.

The Royal Court with the highest Court Grandeur is considered the “leader” of that language, and gains Court Grandeur based on how many Royal Courts speak that language. So if you are the leader of a language, you want as many Courts as possible to adopt it! Naturally, you only gain this Grandeur if you can actually speak the language!

On the other hand, if you are not the grandest Court of the language, you gain Court Grandeur based on the difference of your Grandeur, and the Grandeur of the leading Court. Speaking the Language is not required for this bonus, so even if your neighbors have a language you cannot speak you can attempt to impress them by following their lead.

In addition to this pecking order, you also gain Grandeur for each County in your Realm that speaks your Court Language, but only if you know the language personally. Finally, if your Court Language is also your native Language, you gain an extra 25% bonus to all the impacts your Court Language has on your Court Grandeur.

Here is an example of a calculation for having your native Language as Court Language (actual values are very much temporary):

An example calculation of Court Grandeur gained from your Court Language


Since you gain extra Grandeur for matching your Court Language with your native Language, you may want to create a new Hybrid or Divergent Culture (as described in Dev Diary 65) to adapt to the language your Realm or Court prefers.

All in all, this means that weaker and less grand Royal Courts will tend to choose the Court Language of a local, more grand Royal Court. The AI is also more restricted than players, such as taking the Faith of the speakers of the Court Language into account.

Eventually, once your Royal Court becomes grand enough, it is usually time to choose a language of your own as the Court Language, and start attracting lesser Courts to adopt it.

Finding Court Language in the Game​

You can, as shown above, select your Court Language inside your Royal Court, which takes you to a special map mode of all Court Languages in the world.

A special Map Mode showing all Court Languages of the World


You can also directly adopt the language of a certain Culture by clicking on the button next to the language in that Cultures own View.

You can directly adopt a Language as a Court Language in the Culture View


Beware however, not everyone may speak your Court Language that well (including yourself), so the threat of embarrassment is ever present. Just like in real life.

An embarrassing situation occurs when one of your Vassals cannot speak your Court Language

Court Language Spread​


Seeing your Court Language spread is one major way to understand how influential your court becomes over the years.

To see Court Languages spread, let us have a look at the game! Here, each Royal Court that speaks the same Court Language is shown on the map.

Here is the map at game start in 867 AD. You can see languages such as Arabic being used in the Habbari Sultanate (roughly in modern day Pakistan), and how the king of Bulgaria has chosen Greek due to the influence of nearby Byzantium.

Court Languages Map in 867


100 years later, Magadhan is slowly becoming more popular in India, and the Kingdom of Italy have adopted French as their Court Language.

Court Languages Map in 967


In 1067, a century later, Greek is spreading to the newly formed Kingdoms in the Empire of Khazaria. Some new languages like Berber also pop up.

Court Languages Map in 1067


Finally, in 1167, we see four languages dominate the courts of the world. Greek has spread through the now shattered Empire of Khazaria, and is also making its way down to Africa. At the same time, there is still room for smaller Court Languages like Shaz Turkic to thrive.

Court Languages Map in 1167


That is all for now; thank you for reading!
 
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Hello there, and welcome to the 78th CK3 Dev Diary!

I am Mrop, one of the User Experience Designers on CK3. Last dev diary, we had a look at languages your Character can learn on their own. Today, we are having a look at how language relates to your Royal Court: Your Court Language.

Court Language in History​

Historically, it was not always so that nobles spoke the same language as the commoners. Rather, it was seen as more prestigious to speak another country’s language to show that you were cultivated enough to suck up to your superiors.

One of the most well known examples of this is how French was spoken across many courts across Europe around the reign of Louis XIV. This is outside the timeframe of Crusader Kings, but there are earlier examples; Norman nobles who invaded England together with William the Conqueror continued to speak French, influencing the development of the English language as we know it today.

Court Language and Grandeur​

Each Ruler with a Royal Court has a language chosen as their Court Language. At the start of the game this is determined by what historically was used. If you get a Royal Court later, its Court Language will simply be your native language. You can, of course, choose to change it!

Each language you can pick as your Court Language changes the Court Grandeur Baseline. You may recall that Grandeur and this Baseline was explained in Dev Diary 61. As a refresher, your Court Grandeur measures how impressive your Royal Court is. Each month, it moves slowly towards the Baseline value. Changing your Court Language will therefore take time to actually have an effect on your court’s Grandeur.


View attachment 766162

So how much Grandeur can you get from a certain Court Language?

The largest share of Court Grandeur comes from the pecking order of all Royal Courts who speak that language.

The Royal Court with the highest Court Grandeur is considered the “leader” of that language, and gains Court Grandeur based on how many Royal Courts speak that language. So if you are the leader of a language, you want as many Courts as possible to adopt it! Naturally, you only gain this Grandeur if you can actually speak the language!

On the other hand, if you are not the grandest Court of the language, you gain Court Grandeur based on the difference of your Grandeur, and the Grandeur of the leading Court. Speaking the Language is not required for this bonus, so even if your neighbors have a language you cannot speak you can attempt to impress them by following their lead.

In addition to this pecking order, you also gain Grandeur for each County in your Realm that speaks your Court Language, but only if you know the language personally. Finally, if your Court Language is also your native Language, you gain an extra 25% bonus to all the impacts your Court Language has on your Court Grandeur.

Here is an example of a calculation for having your native Language as Court Language (actual values are very much temporary):

View attachment 766163

Since you gain extra Grandeur for matching your Court Language with your native Language, you may want to create a new Hybrid or Divergent Culture (as described in Dev Diary 65) to adapt to the language your Realm or Court prefers.

All in all, this means that weaker and less grand Royal Courts will tend to choose the Court Language of a local, more grand Royal Court. The AI is also more restricted than players, such as taking the Faith of the speakers of the Court Language into account.

Eventually, once your Royal Court becomes grand enough, it is usually time to choose a language of your own as the Court Language, and start attracting lesser Courts to adopt it.

Finding Court Language in the Game​

You can, as shown above, select your Court Language inside your Royal Court, which takes you to a special map mode of all Court Languages in the world.

View attachment 766164

You can also directly adopt the language of a certain Culture by clicking on the button next to the language in that Cultures own View.

View attachment 766169

Beware however, not everyone may speak your Court Language that well (including yourself), so the threat of embarrassment is ever present. Just like in real life.

View attachment 766186

Court Language Spread​


Seeing your Court Language spread is one major way to understand how influential your court becomes over the years.

To see Court Languages spread, let us have a look at the game! Here, each Royal Court that speaks the same Court Language is shown on the map.

Here is the map at game start in 867 AD. You can see languages such as Arabic being used in the Habbari Sultanate (roughly in modern day Pakistan), and how the king of Bulgaria has chosen Greek due to the influence of nearby Byzantium.

View attachment 766174

100 years later, Magadhan is slowly becoming more popular in India, and the Kingdom of Italy have adopted French as their Court Language.

View attachment 766175

In 1067, a century later, Greek is spreading to the newly formed Kingdoms in the Empire of Khazaria. Some new languages like Berber also pop up.

View attachment 766176

Finally, in 1167, we see four languages dominate the courts of the world. Greek has spread through the now shattered Empire of Khazaria, and is also making its way down to Africa. At the same time, there is still room for smaller Court Languages like Shaz Turkic to thrive.

View attachment 766177

That is all for now; thank you for reading!
Beyond the passive influence from being a grand court, is it possible to take a more direct approach in making foreign courts adopt your language?
 
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'tis a bit complicated. In this timeframe, you were considered literate if you could speak both French AND Latin, so they went hand-to-hand.
Personally, I'd rather see Latin be used as some sort of Catholic religious perk, which gives some bonuses to all Catholics that you usually get from sharing Court Languages.
Not in the early parts of the game, for certain. It was the vernacular, or Latin.
 
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Wont this lead to poor gameplay and ahistorical situations where the player will absolutely always want to take up a foreign language at court?
 
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Just one question, no offense, but what is Iberian? I mean, I could see either Latin or Asturleonese/Castilian/Galician-Portuguese/Basque/Navarran-Aragonese/Catalan as options, but "Iberian" just wasn't a thing.
Because it would make little sense for someone who speaks Aragonese to have learn Castillian. Most of those languages are mutually intelligible now and it was even more then, so making them different languages would not represent the reality correctly.
 
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hmm pdx should hire real historians, or start listening to their historian. one way or the other, things are super simplistic and abstract.
 
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Oof, Khazaria still will be dominating the steppe and feudalizing? Not having distinction between default tribals and nomads is so painful to watch

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What's worse that when irl their elites supposedly were following Jewish religion, in game that means that most of Russia and Russian rulers even after Khazaria collapse will remain Jewish, which is even more ridiculous
 
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What even is the "Iberian" language?

The court language of the kingdom of Asturias was Latin, and Latin remained the court language of all the Catholic Iberians Kingdoms untill it was eventually replaced by the local languages by the 12th-13th centuries.
 
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Thanks for this Dev Diary! Great content. Hopefully we get more info on how Latin will be included. It was very much alive and well in this era. In light of this Dev Diary, Latin’s absence (especially tied to mechanics for courts, education and the absentee monasteries) would be felt.
 
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Not in the early parts of the game, for certain. It was the vernacular, or Latin.

For long enough though. Latin is generally a very special case, as it was popular due to the Catholic Church's insistence on Latin Rites, and it remained popular throughout the entire period alongside the French. From gameplay perspective, the Court Languages are made with the idea that the strongest King in the region will back their own language, and Latin has no such things so the system would more likely result in a catastrophe if it tried to emulate it (and it can't represent at all the presence of Latin in periods when French is the Lingua Franca). And adding more cogs to this system is just an unnecessary complication to an already complex enough system.

Which is all why I am more for representing Latin via the religious system: it what actually defines it's importance (rather than splendor of some king) and it would allow it to be dominant alongside any other Lingua Franca.

Overall, representing Latin language's importance in the Catholic world via the Court Language system is IMO just a bad idea.
 
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I plan to do a Somali takeover of southern India to form India Empire. I plan to make a new culture between the two but i wanted to know would it be ideal to make Somali the court language in a foreign land or just adopt the largest one there Kannada?
 

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Yes.

And Iberian works okay as a culture group, but I've no idea what it's supposed to mean in the context of a court language. Basque shouldn't be in it, either (again, if we're talking about languages).
 
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I mean, I could see either Latin or Asturleonese/Castilian/Galician-Portuguese/Basque/Navarran-Aragonese/Catalan as options, but "Iberian" just wasn't a thing.
There certainly was a Proto-Ibero-Romance language later splitting in those you listed (except Basque - but, as @King Anund correctly noted, Pdx is right as Basque nobility had a Romance language at court not Basque). And, as the game's Languages are more of real-world language groups than real-world languages, keeping a single language for all of those is expected. (ETA: perhaps Catalan-also-known-as-Valencian is relegated to Occitan instead - I remind you that the map is of court languages.)
Wont this lead to poor gameplay and ahistorical situations where the player will absolutely always want to take up a foreign language at court?
How is this ahistorical? There were arguably more courts who spoke foreign languages than courts that used their own (among those who did qualify for Royal Court).
 
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