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Welcome to the first Dev Diary for the Royal Court expansion! As we mentioned in a previous DD, we’ll go back to Azure patch DD’s for a few weeks after this one. But do not fear, there will be some more Royal Court DD’s before the summer holidays - and when we’re back from holidays we’ll have many, many Royal Court diaries for you!

It’s really hard to pick a topic for where to start, but we decided upon a dive into the namesake feature of the expansion - the Royal Court itself, your seat of royal majesty and power! The Royal Court consists of many features, all collected within a 3D scene that we call the Throne Room.

Here’s an early Work in Progress screenshot of the throne room - do note that it’s a very early version, but we just can't wait to show you what we have been working on!
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[Image: An early WIP western-style Throne Room, not indicative of final quality]

Now, there are many things that go into the Royal Court itself. It interacts with numerous new features that’ll come with the expansion - we won’t go into detail on all of them today, if we did this DD would become much too long!

It's worth noting that this isn’t just a graphical feature; while we admit the importance of immersion, we don't want any features to feel tacked-on or superfluous. The Throne Room is there to show what’s happening; what artifacts you’ve collected, which courtiers are having a fight, etc. This allows us to place your character in a scene together with others, showing that you’re actually present in the same world! We’re trying to bridge the gap between your character and the map, all while representing a side of medieval history we’ve never previously explored in detail - the importance for a ruler to show their power, their grandeur, to their subjects and peers.

Every Feudal/Clan King and Emperor has a Royal Court. Tribal Rulers do not have one, as this feature primarily models the formality and ceremony surrounding the court, as well as the need for spending Gold, while Tribal rulers use Prestige as their main resource. If a ruler is demoted to a lower rank (through war, election, or just sheer bad luck) their Royal Court and everything therein will either stay dormant until you regain your lost status, or follow the character who now rules in your stead.

Grandeur
The key concept that enables this is called Grandeur - a measurement of your standing in the eyes of your peers. While it’s measured on a scale from 0-100, it’s not necessarily a simple system. Increasing your grandeur will lead to direct political benefits, such as increased opinions, marriage acceptance, etc. It will also unlock new Council Jobs, such as being able to peacefully demand De Jure land with the ‘Convince De Jure Territory’ job, or gain Knight Effectiveness while also decreasing enemy Scheme Success Chance with the ‘Manage Royal Guards’ job. These effects motivate you to aim for a high level of Grandeur, but naturally comes at a monetary cost. How much are you willing to spend on artifacts, amenities, or on positions within your court? You have to balance your political needs with your temporal ones, such as warfare or development. Sacrificing your grandeur entirely will cause instabilities both internal and external.

Grandeur is not really a resource, and is not actively ‘spent’ - unlike something like Prestige. It works on a much slower timescale, and is something you must balance and work towards increasing over a longer period of time. Though there are of course choices in events that make Grandeur increase or decrease, with various trade-offs.

Grandeur Effects
As mentioned in the previous section, Grandeur has several different effects and modifiers. It is divided into 10 separate levels with their own effects. For example, the very first level of Grandeur unlocks the ability to Hold Court - which is a crucial component in achieving the higher Grandeur levels. The second level unlocks a Council Task called ‘Bestow Royal Favor’, which is a powerful single-target task that increases a vassal’s opinion of you while granting them, and you, prestige.

One of the most significant effects of Grandeur is its effect on attraction of Inspired characters - the higher your Grandeur is compared to that of your neighbors, the likelier you are to have these creative travelers visit your court first, giving you an opportunity for patronage (more on Inspirations in a future DD).

Some of these levels will give courtiers who stay within it a flavorful trait, which will increase their skills and attributes based on the type of court they’re staying at. A particularly grand court might even see a more powerful trait appear, making such characters excellent for various jobs and Court Positions (more on Court Positions in a later DD).

Several Grandeur levels have effects and modifiers based on your Court Type - a type of flavorful perk for your court. Depending on your cultural Ethos you’ll get access to a few different types, such as a Diplomatic or Warlike Court. All royal courts have a type, and among other things it affects the type of trait that courtiers get (see previous paragraph). The bonuses granted from these types are varied and aim to enhance a certain style of play. The AI will tend to go for the Court Type most reflective of their Cultural Ethos and situation - for example, Indian Kings will often tend to want a Scholarly Court since many Indian cultures have a spiritual Ethos.

As an example, having a Diplomatic Court Type will grant you bonuses to Vassalization acceptance, tyranny gain, opinion, and potentially even unlock a Personal Scheme slot. A Warlike Court Type might instead see bonuses to MaA counter efficiency, knight efficiency, and the maximum size of MaA regiments. As not all cultures can access all Court Types, this is another reason to pursue Hybridization or Divergence (more on that in a later DD).

How Grandeur is Gained
Grandeur is divided in two; baseline, and direct gain. The baseline decides the ‘trend’, with you passively (and slowly) either gaining or losing grandeur over time, until the baseline is met. The baseline is affected by many things; what Court Artifacts you have, what Court Positions you have filled, etc (more on Court Artifacts in a later DD). The rate of grandeur change can be modified by many things, such as Cultural Ethoses or Traditions, but is as a rule of thumb slow. It takes time for word of your glory to spread, after all!

The most simple way to increase your Grandeur baseline is by investing in Amenities. Now, Amenities are simple and straightforward; but they’re still central to the concept of having a grand court! There are four different types; Lodgings, Food, Clothing and Servants. There are four levels to each, with each progressive level costing more gold to maintain, but giving more Grandeur baseline. They all come with a selection of flavor effects, for example; spending on food will slightly increase the disease resistance of your courtiers, but higher levels might also cause them to gain weight! Spending on clothes will increase their prestige, and will even cause them to wear fancier clothes at higher levels of expenditure (commoners will wear low nobility clothes, and so on). If your court is lacking in artifacts, spending on Amenities is the way to go.

Worth noting is that the cost of amenities is relative to your size and income; a small realm won’t have to pay as much as a prosperous one - the intent here is to allow smaller kingdoms and empires to ‘punch above their weight’ diplomatically, making choosing between expansion and consolidation a more relevant matter.

Reaching your baseline might take a long time, unless you decide to take action in order to speed it up - to gain grandeur fast, you need to Hold Court! Performing this decision invites your vassals and subjects to bring their issues, requests, and questions before you. The mere act of Holding Court will give you a one-time boost to your Grandeur, but the opportunities within the activity itself might give you opportunities to increase it further (or you could decide to lose grandeur for some temporal gain that is just too good to pass up!). The issues brought forth when Holding Court are many and varied, with many of them reacting to the state of your realm (more on Hold Court in a later DD).

Grandeur Expectations
Now, Grandeur isn’t only about reaching the level that gives the effect you desire, it’s also about managing expectations!

Depending on a number of factors, such as your tier or the size of your realm, you will have a certain expectation put upon your Royal Court. This expectation is a double-edged sword - if your grandeur is below expectations you’ll suffer increasing diplomatic penalties as people lose respect, while if it’s exceeded you might see powerful diplomatic bonuses.

These are scaled based on how powerful you are - a rather small Kingdom that undershoots its expectations won’t be hit particularly hard, while a massive empire such as the Holy Roman Empire or Byzantium will be punished much harder if they fail to live up to the expectations put upon them.

The effects of not living up to your expectations are many; reduced prestige, renown, and a hefty hit to opinion with both foreign rulers, courtiers and vassals. A large realm might easily find itself facing significant unrest unless its ruler starts spending on grandeur! On the other hand, a small kingdom that vastly exceeds the expectations put upon it might see significant bonuses to its diplomatic power, as well as renown and other bonuses.

Court Events
Now, the Royal Court isn’t all about Grandeur, of course. Another important role it holds is to show that there’s life in your court! This is done through Court Events; happenings contained within the court, taking place between those who live therein.

This new type of event uses the throne room as its backdrop, transforming the entire throne room into an event when they happen. Unlike normal events, this type of event is non-interruptive - you get notified that something is happening, whereby you can go into your Royal Court, inspect the scene, find whoever is involved, and trigger the event yourself. Usually these events are some sort of drama happening between your courtiers, which you can choose to simply ignore if you feel like you have more important matters to attend to.

These events come in many different flavors, mostly focusing on how it is to live in the court.

Some examples of court events that are being worked on currently include courtiers causing you embarrassment through their drinking or poor manners, or getting into arguments with your architect. Others involve things like rumors spreading about your predecessor on the throne, or popular and unflattering songs about you spreading within the court itself.
Court events might also be things like foreign ambassadors trying to uncover your secrets or devout courtiers shaming you and your court for your frivolous living.

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Now, of course there’s more that goes into the Royal Court, but we’ll save going into details regarding Court Artifacts, the UI and graphical looks of the Throne Rooms, Court Positions and so on for future DevDiaries! Of course, this expansion isn’t all about the Royal Court; before the summer break starts you’ll get to read about some of the other features coming with the expansion and patch.

That’s all for now!
 

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Very cool concept. I feel like balance will be a key issue there - please don't make it like CK2 artifacts with soo many bonuses and few drawbacks.

Also, I willl repeat question many people already asked: Is this feature mainly designed around playing as King/Emperor or can you interact with it meanigfully as a vassal in the court?
I'm wondering whether the artifacts will tie in to the other new systems - rather than being staf boosts.

Like particular artifacts boost your amenities, or unlock certain councillor jobs or give you grandeur +5 etc.
 
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I hope you guys think again with Tribals not having a courtroom, I get the point you make but maybe a more basic, intimate clan hall room would be appropriate with some of the mechanics disabled?

Ignoring tribal realms completely sounds bad in my opinion. Give them a cozy, wooden hall, with fur and animal hides laying around. Finally, add a few basic mechanics that are weaker than feudal ones. Would make tribals not left out and still weaker than feudal courts.

Just a thought.
 
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This sounds promising. I do have some questions though:
-> Will I as a vassal be able to bring my issues, requests and questions before my liege if they hold court?
-> Will artifacts only be accessible to rulers who have a court? To me it seems that counts, dukes and tribals should also be able to own artifacts.
-> How will the renown bonuses or penalties from grandeur expectations be handled? Do they only apply for the dynasty head, or for each ruler of the dynasty who has a court?

Also: I don't like the income scaling for amenity costs. Increasing costs with the size of your realm makes some degree of sense, since you need to provide for more people. But scaling costs to your income just makes your income meaningless.
 
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Grandeur sounds like more of the same problem we keep seeing in all Paradox DLCs -- extra modifiers which don't tie in well with base game systems. I really don't see a point to it. Either it will be very powerful for its cost making maxing it out a no-brainer, or it will be too weak for its cost and will become a 'dump stat' for extra money.

I also don't see how it can be balanced effectively given that many rulers (counts, dukes, tribals) can't use it.

And that's all without getting into what the weird abstraction actually is supposed to represent.
 
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I'm assuming then there will be 5 court types, each ethos corresponding to one of the five skills?
Each Ethos unlocks more than one Court Type, and the Court Types are (currently) based on the five skills thematically, yes. :)

However queen should lso be present I hope as being an important member.
Your spouse will very often be shown, we think that it's a very thematically appropriate character to place close to the ruler. I believe the idea is to have them of their own throne next to your, at least in certain court styles where such a thing was common.

Will the characters represented in your Throne Room be dynamically placed, or static? As in, will your Steward always stand in the same place in the same pose? Or is there variety to how characters are placed within the scene?
Dynamic, we're aiming for variation. The exact details are not nailed down yet. :)

I'm wondering what do the "Servants" do. What impact do they have on court members?
There are some modifiers, and depending on the Amenity level certain Court Events might be affected.

Couple of questions:

1. How inheritable is Grandeur? When a new King takes over, will they need to build up their Grandeur from scratch?



2. Does this mean that Amenities are an ongoing, monthly cost (like army maintanance) rather than a one-off "upgrade cost".
1. We're actually discussing this internally! We're considering having it drop on succession, at least by a bit - making it so that you have to prove your worth as a new monarch.
2. Yes, they're a type of maintenance.
 
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Look interesting. I'm hoping we can also sit on the throne and get to choose from several siting animations.

And while we're at it, will we also be getting new idles that interact with the throne room?
 
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On artifacts: would they work similarly to CKII? As in you collect them from different sources and they give you stat bonuses ? Would some of them (crowns, weapons etc) be visible on the portrait ? Can they be stolen / raided?

Otherwise a cool concept as a whole, and the dynamic culture thing sounds like a very good addition gameplay and rp wise.
Yes. Artifacts are mentioned in the FAQ.
 
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This sounds promising. I do have some questions though:
-> Will I as a vassal be able to bring my issues, requests and questions before my liege if they hold court?
-> Will artifacts only be accessible to rulers who have a court? To me it seems that counts, dukes and tribals should also be able to own artifacts.
-> How will the renown bonuses or penalties from grandeur expectations be handled? Do they only apply for the dynasty head, or for each ruler of the dynasty who has a court?

Also: I don't like the income scaling for amenity costs. Increasing costs with the size of your realm makes some degree of sense, since you need to provide for more people. But scaling costs to your income just makes your income meaningless.
Personal artifacts can be held by characters, only the court artifacts are for the kings and emperor with a royal court.
 
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Thst throne room's ceiling looks too... low. Maybe it's historical or it's just the camera angle. Can you adjust the angle a bit to make it look bigger? Also it maybe realistic but would you consider something more fantasy-like? Maybe a special one at the highest tier of court.
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Or
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You see what I mean? Fantasy courts always have high ceiling XD.
 
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Aside from all the other stuff it does, Grandeur sounds like it might provide some couterpressure/downsides to rapid expansion/larger realms (which I think everyone around here agrees the game needs) by forcing players not to expand beyond their ability to keep up with expected Grandeur.
Downsides to big empires is understandable, but increased prices that scale from your income on top of size, making you pay more even if you didn't expand but focused on improving your domain, this I will probably mod out asap
 
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I'm assuming then there will be 5 court types, each ethos corresponding to one of the five skills?
We have five court types, corresponding with the five primary skills. Ethos on the other hand, we have a few more of. About seven or so. Each ethos unlock a court type that is somewhat "thematically appropriate" more than anything else.

Will the characters represented in your Throne Room be dynamically placed, or static? As in, will your Steward always stand in the same place in the same pose? Or is there variety to how characters are placed within the scene?
While this is still a work in progress, they will be dynamic to an extent. It depends on what type of characters you'll have present in your court.

Couple of questions:

1. How inheritable is Grandeur? When a new King takes over, will they need to build up their Grandeur from scratch?



2. Does this mean that Amenities are an ongoing, monthly cost (like army maintanance) rather than a one-off "upgrade cost".
1. You can expect your heir to inherit a large part of your granduer, so you won't lose all of your progress just because a succession occurred. Exact details are TDB.
2. Correct. Amenities should be seen as a "long-term" investement for you to increase your grandeur over time. Though they do have a few additional effects as well.

On artifacts: would they work similarly to CKII? As in you collect them from different sources and they give you stat bonuses ? Would some of them (crowns, weapons etc) be visible on the portrait ? Can they be stolen / raided?

Otherwise a cool concept as a whole, and the dynamic culture thing sounds like a very good addition gameplay and rp wise.
We'll go into details of how artifacts work in a future DD. ;)
 
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A lot of concepts, a lot of ideas. I do not know yet whether I like the whole thing, but it certainly is an ambitious endeavour. That's good! I keep my fingers crossed for the devs, as many parts are tricky to be done correctly. But there is surely potential for something amazing!

Having said that, three things bother me.
  • The throne room being 3D means that a lot more effort and assets are necessary to create a new one with a different style. We already see the consequence - there are only 4 cultural variants announced (kinda-pagan, kinda-Christian, kinda-Arabic, kinda-Far-East?). It is also inconsistent with all other parts of the game (background + some 3D art) and will probably cause CK3 to run much worse on older machines (and it is almost impossible to upgrade the PC right now). I feel that doing the court screen with hand-painted background might have been a better idea. BTW - (a question for the devs) - what is the estimated framerate drop on the court scheme? How it will influence required hardware?
  • Court types, culture ethea (and education focus, and lifestyles, and so on...) tend to be tied to the 5 main skills. Which might make them boring. Want to do a military thing? Stack all the military things. Want to do a learning thing? Stack scholarship things. And so on. I would really like them to be divided in another way, so the mixing-and-matching them with our gameplay style will not be a no-brainer. Religions are well designed in that manner, as there are no clear "diplomacy" or "stewardship" ones.
  • We are definitely moving towards the "gold does not matter, everything has a percentage-based cost" approach of CK2 and it makes me sad... :( See this comment for details.
  • Worth noting is that the cost of amenities is relative to your size and income; a small realm won’t have to pay as much as a prosperous one - the intent here is to allow smaller kingdoms and empires to ‘punch above their weight’ diplomatically, making choosing between expansion and consolidation a more relevant matter.
 
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Ignoring tribal realms completely sounds bad in my opinion.
I think what's worse is completely ignoring Dukes. Super-powerful elector in HRE? No, only king of Bohemia will get something. Mega-duke in Aquitaine that rivals the king easily? Nope, nothing because you want to play vassal game and your king isn't strong enough to form empire. I hope they will change their mind and add court to some dukes (like 2-3 duchies) or to all dukes but with some limitations
 
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I hope you guys think again with Tribals not having a courtroom, I get the point you make but maybe a more basic, intimate clan hall room would be appropriate with some of the mechanics disabled?

Ignoring tribal realms completely sounds bad in my opinion. Give them a cozy, wooden hall, with fur and animal hides laying around. Finally, add a few basic mechanics that are weaker than feudal ones. Would make tribals not left out and still weaker than feudal courts.

Just a thought.
I'm guessing that in a future expansion they'll introduce it, possibly in connection with the introduction of nomad realms which will likewise have the same sort of court equivalent as the tribal realms. Less about etiquettes, more about interfamilial interactions (possibly introducing family feuds, bloodwits and what not).
 
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Oh yes, this looks pretty nice so far.
If a ruler is demoted to a lower rank (through war, election, or just sheer bad luck) their Royal Court and everything therein will either stay dormant until you regain your lost status, or follow the character who now rules in your stead.
In regards to that I have the question about what happens if one takes over a higher court.
Does his court transfer or does he leave his old court just there and goes to his new one?
 
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1. We're actually discussing this internally! We're considering having it drop on succession, at least by a bit - making it so that you have to prove your worth as a new monarch.
2. Yes, they're a type of maintenance.

This is good to hear. I think adding grandeur-drops during succession and adding maintenance gold-sinks to Kings and Emperors sound like good ways of fighting the "snowball into a stable big realm then the game gets a bit boring" problem that some people are running into in the mid/late game.
 
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Thst throne room's ceiling looks too... low. Maybe it's historical or it's just the camera angle. Can you adjust the angle a bit to make it look bigger? Also it maybe realistic but would you consider something more fantasy-like? Maybe a special one at the highest tier of court.
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Something like this is better. This is not Westeros.
 
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