• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

CK3 Dev Diary #19: Factions and Civil Wars

Hello kings and queens, dukes and duchesses! I am back with another Dev Diary, and today we’re going to be talking about Factions and Civil Wars in Crusader Kings III!

Much like in CK2, vassals who are unhappy with the current state of affairs in the realm will create a Faction that other vassals can then join. Factions that grow large enough will eventually deliver an ultimatum to their liege, demanding certain concessions in exchange for continued peace.

Anatomy of a Faction
DD_WM_ExampleFaction.png

[A screenshot showing a Claimant Faction with Faction Members, Discontent, and Military Power displayed]

All Factions have a Military Power rating, which is a ratio between the combined military strength of all members and the military strength of their liege. Factions also have a Discontent score, which gauges how close the Faction is to sending their ultimatum.

Factions will begin accruing Discontent once their Military Power goes over a certain threshold, typically 80%. Stronger Factions acquire Discontent rapidly in an attempt to seize the moment, while weaker Factions hem and haw a little in the hopes that more supporters will join their cause. Either way, once Discontent reaches 100% the Faction will soon deliver their ultimatum; at that point, their liege must either accept their demands or fight all joined faction members in a civil war.

Civil Wars
DD_WM_CivilWarBorders.png

[A screenshot of the map showing several Faction Members at war with their liege, who is the player]

Unlike in CK2, when a civil war is declared faction members do not form a new temporary realm. While they nominally remain vassals of their liege, they will immediately stop providing taxes and levies to them, and their liege will lose access to certain powers (such as imprisonment).

During a civil war the faction members turn hostile to both their liege and all non-faction vassals, though they will focus on fighting their liege. The exact war goal varies depending on the Faction type, but both sides earn war score by defeating hostile armies and sieging down hostile provinces.

Once one side emerges triumphant, they will enforce their demands. A victorious Faction will enforce their ultimatum with some additional concessions thrown in, while a victorious liege will imprison all faction members and gain title revocation reasons against them. If a white peace is agreed to, things largely go back to the way they were, though the liege gains an imprisonment reason against all the rebels. Actually imprisoning the rebels is another matter entirely, as a failed imprisonment attempt can trigger another rebellion.

Types of Factions
There are currently 5 distinct types of Factions, each of which has its own goals.

  • The Independence Faction, seeking to gain independence from their liege.
  • Claimant Factions, seeking to replace their liege with a new one.
  • The Liberty Faction, seeking to reduce Crown Authority in the realm.
  • Populist Factions, seeking to form a new realm of their religion and culture.
  • The Peasant Faction, seeking to pay fewer taxes to their liege.

Vassals only join The Independence Faction if they feel like they do not belong in their liege’s realm. This can be due to a variety of reasons, but it generally boils down to a combination of three major factors: not being a de jure vassal of their liege, not sharing their liege’s culture [group], and their religious hostility towards their liege (more on that in a future Dev Diary!). As a result, Independence Factions tend to be ‘clumpy’, forming distinct regional blocs within a realm.

DD_WM_IndependenceWarTerms.png

[A screenshot of an ongoing Independence Faction War against the HRE, showing the clustering of rebels within Italy]

Claimant Factions, on the other hand, are all about opinion. Vassals who personally dislike their liege while still feeling like they belong to their liege’s realm will favor this type of Faction. Of course, Claimant Factions are also an area where opportunistic vassals can push to acquire titles for themselves or their relatives!

The Liberty Faction is the place for vassals who are almost happy with the current state of affairs. They want to lower either the realm’s crown authority laws or their obligations to their liege, and are typically the easiest Faction to manage.

Populist and Peasant Factions are special in that they are not created by unhappy vassals. Instead, they are created by unhappy counties.

DD_WM_CountyFactions.png

[A screenshot of the Faction Tab showing an active Kurdish Apostolic Populist Faction and a Peasant Rabble Faction]

Much like vassals, counties have an opinion of their holder which is influenced by culture, religion, events, and war. When the opinion of a county drops too low, they will join one of these two factions. Like the other factions, if these factions gain enough Discontent, they will send an ultimatum, and will revolt if the ultimatum is refused. This completely replaces the random province revolt chance that existed in CK2 — gone are the days of “Duke McPeasantFace has declared the 19th Orthodox Uprising on you.”

Populist Factions are the more dangerous type of county faction and form when counties wish to be governed by a ruler of their own culture and/or religion. While Populist Factions are created by and primarily consist of counties, sympathetic vassals in your realm may also pledge loyalty to their cause. A successful Populist revolt will cause all member counties and vassals to break away and form a new realm!

While an Independence Faction causes all members split off into their own separate realms, a Populist Faction will create a single realm with all members united under one ruler. That ruler will always share the Faction’s culture and religion, and as a hero of the liberation war they will almost always be a competent commander. In addition, a successful Populist Faction will automatically usurp or create an appropriate title for their leader to hold, which can even generate new Kingdom-tier titles in certain circumstances!

DD_WM_SuccessfulPopularRevolt.png

[A screenshot of the Kingdom of Jüterbog, split off of the HRE by a successful Polabian Popular Revolt]

All of this taken together means that any realm formed by Popular Revolt will end up being a formidable foe that likely has several De Jure claims on its neighbors. This can substantially alter the balance of power in your region — even if you weren't the initial faction target!

On the other hand, Peasant Rabble are the simplest and least dangerous type of Faction. Unlike all other Factions, there is no minimum Military Power requirement for the Peasant Rabble to revolt, and its Discontent will always tick upwards at a constant rate. When the Rabble inevitably revolt, they will almost certainly be weaker than the liege they are targeting — but don’t let that lull you into a false sense of security! Every time the Rabble’s forces occupy a county, all of that county’s levies will immediately join them. What started as a minor uprising can quickly balloon out of control if left unchecked! Luckily their only demands are to pay reduced taxes and provide fewer levies to their liege, which is an annoying if manageable setback.

Faction Management

So as a ruler, how do you manage all of these Factions? Well, there are several ways!

For starters, any alliances you have made with your vassals will prevent them from joining a Faction against you. This makes arranged marriages within your realm valuable even if you don’t benefit as much militarily as you would from a foreign marriage.

Adding to this, any vassals you have a hook on will be unable to join a Faction against you, whether that hook is due to them owing you a favor or due to blackmail.

You can also attempt to intimidate vassals away from their Faction, as a high Dread will lower their willingness to be in one. If the threat of imprisonment and torture doesn’t work, actual imprisonment will — vassals in your dungeons can not be part of any Faction. Just be careful, as an unjust imprisonment attempt may provoke a powerful Faction into revolting early, regardless of their Discontent!

DD_WM_FactionRetaliation.png

[A screenshot warning the player that imprisoning this vassal may trigger a Faction Revolt]

Finally, if all else fails you can actually address the grievances your vassals have with you. Vassals who are happy enough will never join any kind of faction, which means improving their opinion of you and fixing structural issues in your realm will ensure that nobody challenges your rule!

That is all for this week, but I have an extra special treat in store you next time when we finally begin diving into how religion works in Crusader Kings III!

Blooper Reel: The Extremely Popular Revolt
Very early on in CK3's development, I started looking into ways to make Popular Revolts more challenging. No matter how large a revolt got, their forces would always be spread out across all of their member counties, making it trivial to pick off their armies one at a time.

To help remedy this, instead of letting each county spawn its own army I made it so each duchy would spawn a single army based on the combined military power of all faction counties inside of it. However, I made a mistake — instead of adding up the military power of all counties in a duchy, I accidentally added up the military power of all counties in the world... per duchy.

DD_WM_Blooper_RevoltingPeasantsCut.png


It turns out that no matter how many knights you have or how good of a commander you are, 8.8 million angry peasants will overwhelm you in battle every time.
 
  • 11Like
  • 7
  • 4Haha
  • 1
Reactions:
To me a lot of paradox titles are great because you know why something happens. You have tooltips for everything, nothing is vague. Numbers show why you cant or can do something etc.

It fits with that.
There's a difference between understanding why something happens and having being told something is going to happen, though. I definitely appreciate understanding why something is happening, but removing randomness and being warned something is on the horizon feels like it breaks the immersion of the game, making you more omniscient.
 
  • 1
Reactions:
Kurdish Apostolic rebels? I guess Miaphysites were split into southern Coptic/Ethiopian and northern Armenian/Apostolic churches.
Would be great if game supported something like two or more churches with marginally different practices, but maintaining full communion.
 
Last edited:
I don't know how I feel about the generated kingdoms. In this case in particular, we see a German name for a castle being used as a name for a Slavic Kingdom that presumably is some unifying realm for Lusatians. It makes no sense. Also the color is ugly.
 
Landed vassals who share a Faith with a Populist Faction may join it. If the Populist Revolt succeeds, they will become part of the new realm which is split off of their former leige's realm.
Non-faction vassals will not help you directly in civil wars, but will continue providing levies and taxes to you as normal.
In the dev diary you said that the populist (By the way, why aren't they called nationalists or something along those lines? At least they seem to be all about that...) faction's new realm get a fancy generated character. Is that always the case? I think that if the faction has any landed character as a member, it would be much more interesting to have him (or the most powerful one) to become the ruler, since its a 'familiar face'.

I really like your approach to the peasants. At first I thought: "A peasants faction? That's weird. Doesn't make much sense." But having that unrest progress bar seems like a good thing - after all a major peasant revolt does not come out of the blue. Also I like that peasants are not a threat unless your troops are otherwise occupied and you let them gather more men and arms.

Vassals who personally dislike their liege while still feeling like they belong to their liege’s realm will favor this type of Faction. Of course, Claimant Factions are also an area where opportunistic vassals can push to acquire titles for themselves or their relatives!
Do they take their opinion of the claimant into account as well? If so, it might be useful to show their opinion of the claimant as well. Maybe you can't make them like you, but get them to hate the claimant even more than you...

I'm very glad that you removed these 'temporary titles'.
During a civil war the faction members turn hostile to both their liege and all non-faction vassals, though they will focus on fighting their liege. The exact war goal varies depending on the Faction type, but both sides earn war score by defeating hostile armies and sieging down hostile provinces.
Are they hostile to other factions as well? Or only under certain cirumstances (two claimant factions)? What happens when someone declares war on you, while you are in a civil war?

Can characters switch sides in a civil war (or can you achieve it with scripting)?
Can vassals choose to help their liege in a civil war? They might want to help their liege defeat the rebels so that when the liege redistributes the rebels lands, they get their part of it.

Can a liege help his vassal in a war? For example if my vassal (and dynasty member) has serious problems fighting a claimant faction that would put another dynasty on the throne? In Ck2 that's sadly not possible and it always annoyed me that I was not able to help them.

One last thing: I really like the map mode shown in the independence faction screenshot. But what's wrong with the poor HRE's font? :D
 
I don't like that factions are only bad still. I enjoyed in CK2+ and HIP that factions had differing goals that weren't 100% of the time anti-player plus having the traditional factions.

I feel like factions in vanilla CK were always a very underused feature in this regard. So much more can be done with it than it just being an annoyance mechanic.
 
  • 1Like
  • 1
Reactions:
What is the stance of populist factions against other realms, and would it possible to interact with them if you are ruler of their religion and culture?
A very illogical and frustrating situation in CK2 was to invade the Umayyads in Spain as the Kingdom of Asturias, be winning the fight against all odds, and suddenly have a visigothic catholic rebellion against the Umayyads spawn on top of your armies and destroy them. So at least, if it is not possible to interact with them, could they be not hostile towards every single entity in the world?
 
I really like your approach to the peasants. At first I thought: "A peasants faction? That's weird. Doesn't make much sense." But having that unrest progress bar seems like a good thing - after all a major peasant revolt does not come out of the blue. Also I like that peasants are not a threat unless your troops are otherwise occupied and you let them gather more men and arms.
It is basically how it work in Imperator: Rome, instead of small revolts you get a big one.
 
Can I use a hook to persuade a fellow vassal to join my faction? Or is there even any way to persuade someone to join my cause?
 
Excuse me,I have to suggest that CK3's Factions should refer to CK2's hip mod.Factions just to weaken the lord should not exist, and the lord should also profit from the factions。Such examples are common throughout history. For example, the Byzantine emperor promoted the new nobility to weaken the old nobility. Encourage bureaucrats to weaken military districts, or encourage military districts to weaken bureaucratic factions.
 
Last edited:
I don't like that factions are only bad still. I enjoyed in CK2+ and HIP that factions had differing goals that weren't 100% of the time anti-player plus having the traditional factions.

I feel like factions in vanilla CK were always a very underused feature in this regard. So much more can be done with it than it just being an annoyance mechanic.
I don't like that factions are only bad still. I enjoyed in CK2+ and HIP that factions had differing goals that weren't 100% of the time anti-player plus having the traditional factions.

I feel like factions in vanilla CK were always a very underused feature in this regard. So much more can be done with it than it just being an annoyance mechanic.
My friends and I really love the faction content of HIP mod
 
Love all of this!
Really like that you can marry your family to your vassals now, adds a lot of fun diplomacy to the game and is historically accurate (I believe?), it's one of the main features I always wanted in ck2 and should make it more interesting when managing a large realm.
Map looks nice, seems like the saturation has been turned down since the first screenshots of the game were posted, it looks much nicer. Also love the civil war map shown, looks beautiful and I love the idea of "clumping" the independence faction nations (no more border gore).

Also love the faction stuff, especially the idea of a province revolt. Not 100% on the idea of peasants taking all of the levies of a province once they occupy it, I feel a percentage would maybe be better but idk, I do like that they continuously grow their numbers after each capture, makes them feel like an actual revolt gathering more supporters. I wish this was also done for populist factions that occupied provinces that were the same culture and religion as them that hadn't revolted yet (although that probably would be pretty rare anyway).

Wish that peasant factions could be supported by landed characters but I kinda understand why they can't. However, I wish peasants could achieve more than just lower taxes/levies, why not changing the ruler? The government? If they hold a county for a long time and the ruler has done nothing about it why can't they go independent? I do like this system way more than how ck2 handled peasant revolts (which always played out the same) but I would like more options for the peasant revolts (like the populist revolts seem to have).
Besides that though everything looks fantastic and much improved. Nice stuff.