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CK2 Dev Diary #79 - Beautifying the Baltics

Greetings!

Work is progressing splendidly on the upcoming expansion, alas it is still much too early to start talking about any of its many features. Instead, we’ll continue our tour of the cartographer's office.

As I mentioned in the last Dev Diary we’re working our way through some of the more neglected areas of the map - primarily (but not exclusively) focusing our efforts on areas that weren’t that interesting to play in. This time around we’re teasing the upcoming changes to the Baltics, primarily based on tribes that populated the region before the Northern Crusades, again courtesy of [Arthur-PDX]. This time I thought of providing you with a side-by-side comparison, so you can see the changes for yourselves, without having to boot up the game:
Baltics Update.png


Code:
- Map Update to the Baltics
       - Major overhaul to the Baltic region (mostly encompassing the Kingdom of Lithuania's DeJure territory)
      - (Major) river Daugava moved and reshaped a bit for more accuracy
       - Minor river crossings in Lithuania reshaped for more accuracy
      - 7 provinces added to enhance pre-Livonian Order flavour
       - New duchy of Latgale added
      - All old provinces in the DeJure Lithuanian Kingdom's territory have been reshaped for more historical & cultural accuracy
      - New kingdom of Estonia, formable by holding the duchies of Estonia and the new duchy of Kalava

Please note that the time between Dev Diaries will be irregular, as we’re very early in the development cycle.
 

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We can only pray for that day, friend.



There's Bavaria for that. IIRC, Austria never became a Kingdom during the Middle Ages. Why would it get a kingdom title?


Austria never became Kingdome. It became Archduchy. Some invented title between Kingdom and HRE Electoral title. But it became very prestigious.

Edit : Typo
 
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My CK2 playstyle is personally very goal-oriented, so I like taking real life examples and try to replicate them in the game. The Archduchy of Austria has been something I've wanted for a while.

I often made the custom Kingdom of Austria as an Habsburg and later the Custom Empire with almost historical borders.

Not sure if it fits in CK2, but I'd love to have it tough.
 

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My CK2 playstyle is personally very goal-oriented, so I like taking real life examples and try to replicate them in the game. The Archduchy of Austria has been something I've wanted for a while.

Archduchy of Austria, Principality of Antioch... I am excited for what's next, maybe a way to Catholics mend the Schism?
 

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Estonia is a new small kingdom, with DeJure duchies of d_estonia (which was there before, although it's been retouched a bit now) and d_kalava (which is a new one)


Arthur

Honestly I’d just make all of modern Latvia and Estonia the kingdom of Livonia. I know it’s a bit early, but I still think it’s a better solution than Lithuania having 2/3 of it.
 

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Could we see some improvements in the Balkans too? Like Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, Albania, etc., I believe Balkans need more provinces and improvements.
 

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Anyone batting an eye for an expansion Southward from Mali?
No. Please, not that.
Africa needs lot of love, but please, there's no need to go south from Mali

(says one of the biggest defender of Africa)
 
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No. Please, not that.
Africa needs lot of love, but please, there's no need to go south from Mali

I would go south from Ethiopia. I mean, Kilwa + Zanzibar!
 

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1553 is not three years from the end of the game.
Oh wait the game ends in 1456 not 1556. So 97 years after the end of the game.
Why? In that case you should add the Swedish empire, heck why not an Austrian empire while you are at it if you are in the process of adding titles far outside of the games time frame.
Austria never became Kingdome. It became Archduchy. Some invented title between Kingdom and HRE Electoral title. But it became very prestigious.
Edit : Typo
Actually it was treated as a joke by most of the rest of the empire and the emperor refused to ratify it, oh and the priviligium majus was a forgery. Only almost a century after the game ends did a Hapsburg Emperor ratify it. It's totally anachronistic.
Yeah, that's the plan.
I thought the idea was to not have titular titles any more? Or did I miss read it? For the games timeframe Austria is a part of the kingdom of Bavaria. If you want to make it a kingdom then there is the create custom kingdom decision from CM.
No. Please, not that.
Africa needs lot of love, but please, there's no need to go south from Mali
Actually there is plenty that region is boring beyond sanity at the moment. it needs stuff if it's to be playable. It needs sailing on the rivers, it needs a isolated coastal stretch it needs things that tell you where you are in west Africa. At the moment it is just a blob of provinces.
Also expanding south and west will allow the canary islands to be closer to where they should be.
I would go south from Ethiopia. I mean, Kilwa + Zanzibar!
That too, a reason to go south if any.
What for?
Because it s a very interesting area, and also will allow abyssinya to feel less like playing against a wall. The indian ocean trade is a very important facet of human civilisation and should be represented in the game.
 

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It seems you didn't understand my post, and secondly, why should many provinces in Scandinavia have one holding?
Seriously because the holdings per population of scandinavia is like ten times higher than anywhere else in the game. Also because values for holdings in the game only goes from 1-7. And if 7 is cities like constantinople then yes everything except a handful of provinces in scandinavia should have only one holding.

Let's look at it, in year 1000
Denmark 500.000 inhabitants
Sweden 400.000 inhabitants
Norway 200.000 inhabitants.
Scandinavia 1.100.000 inhabitants.

Palermo 350.000 inhabitants
Constantinople 300.000 inhabitants
Cordoba 200.000 inhabitants
Cairo 135.000 Inhabitants
Baghdad 125.000 inhabitants
top 5 provinces in the game 1.110.000 inhabitants
Using low estimates for these cities they add up to more than all of the Scandinavian countries combined.

Or let me put it this way Norway have more holdings than scotland despite scotland having 50% higher population. The only place that may qualify as being as over represented with holdings and provinces as Scandinavia is England.

Comparing the holdings of denmark to the holdings of Greece and anatolia denmark has roughly 25% of the holdings of the two main kingdoms of the byzantine empire. While if we compare their populations they have 4% of their population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_urban_community_sizes#Middle_Ages
 
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