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CK2 Dev Diary #63: In the Emperor's Good Graces

Greetings!

Today I would like to talk to you about some of the ways you can gain the Grace of the Emperor, and ways in which you can use it to your advantage! To interact with China you must be within their diplomatic range - which extends throughout the entire Silk Road, and through the influence of the Western Protectorate and any Tributaries China might have. When you are within diplomatic range you have the options to Pay Tribute and Ask for Boons.

Paying Tribute to the Emperor will get you in their good Graces, giving you the option of asking for Boons. While the first thing that comes to mind would be to become an actual Tributary State to China, there are more ways to earn Grace. Of course, being a Tributary State is one of the most effective ways to earn the Emperors good Grace - having the Emperor like you more for each month you stay a Tributary State - though you have to give up a significant portion of your Wealth and Levy Regain rate. As China prefers their Tributaries to keep paying Tribute to them, they are willing to defend their Tributaries from outside threats - Tributary States will have the option of summoning a regiment of Chinese forces when they are under attack. When playing as a small realm in the Tarim Basin, for example, it is very prudent to become a Chinese Tributary as they will help you fend off ravenous Nomads and expansionist Tibetans alike.
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Not everyone will have the opportunity (or want to give up their sovereignty) to become a Tributary State though, in that case there are other things you can do to earn the Emperor’s good Grace. The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration. If you are able to find characters that suit either role, you will be able to send them off as Tribute. These characters will most often have to be your close relatives, making the choice whether to send them away or not more tactical (perhaps you’d rather keep your daughter for forming a local alliance, or keep your third son as a backup in case your first two sons bite the dust). Note that you won’t be able to send off characters that stand to inherit titles. The selection of a suitable character is made by executing a new type of ‘third party character’ decision, as can be seen in this screenshot:
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There are also other things you can do to gain the Grace of the Emperor, I won’t go into too much detail, but they include things such as: Offering a Court Physician when China is suffering a Plague, sending Relief while China is suffering a Famine, sending Artifacts or Gold, and more.

Any Grace you’ve earned will persist as long as the same Dynasty sits on the throne in China - Civil Wars and Invasions might result in a new Dynasty taking the Dragon Throne, making you lose any grace you’ve accumulated. Fortunately the Dynasty changes seldomly, and you get ample warning before it happens (so that you get a chance to leverage the Grace you’ve accumulated with the current Dynasty).

Emperors, like most characters in CK2, have their own personalities. This is characterized through the Emperor’s likes and dislikes - if the Emperor favors Buddhists you will find it more rewarding to both be a Buddhist yourself, and to send the Emperor Buddhists as tribute. The opposite is true for being disliked by the Emperor - with the additional threat that they might, just might, treat you as a priority target should they become expansionist!

Now on to using Grace - if you’ve sent enough Tribute to the Emperor you will be able to request Boons. Boons are generally very powerful, and come in many flavors - I won’t go through all of them in this DD, but here are a select few:

Request Peace Deal - The most basic of all Boons, having an active Peace Deal will prevent China from ever targeting you with wars. It is very cheap to get one and, unless you’re taking a risk by saving up for something costly, you should usually be able to afford one. A Peace Deal lasts for a long time, and also persists through multiple characters should the one who requested it die. In addition to preventing the wrath of China, it also gives quite a bit of passive prestige. Do note that if China is in an Expansionist phase they might not want to hand out any Peace Deals, so get them while you can…

Request Strategist - This Boon has a character trained in Chinese Strategy join your court. This character is both a competent commander by himself, but will given time also train your existing commanders in the art of Chinese warfare. This is represented by special Commander Traits with very powerful bonuses.

Request Master Engineer - This Boon has a masterful Chinese Engineer join your court. For as long as this character stays employed, he will improve your demesne with powerful province modifiers - Blast Furnaces, Paper Mills, Fireworks Guilds and other wondrous things. These modifiers tend to help you advance in Military and Economic technology.

Request Imperial Marriage - The Emperor has many daughters (and in the case of female rulers, cousins and kinsmen) and if you stand in their good Graces you might be allowed to have you or one of your children marry one of them! Such a marriage is not only very prestigious, because a princess doesn’t leave China alone - along with her she will bring a regiment of Honor Guards that you can call upon at will. Unlike the troops you can call upon from being a Chinese Tributary State these Honor Guards can also be used in offensive wars - giving you an edge in warfare. An Imperial Marriage also sets a Peace Deal in place.
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Request Invasion - This is the most costly Boon of them all, and will be a challenge just to gain enough Grace for - if there is a realm that has grown too large and powerful for their own good, you can suggest that China invades them with the sole purpose of dismantling their realm. Of course, it might not be very likely that China would succeed in taking down a distant Empire (i.e. Byzantium) and there is no absolute guarantee that they will win regardless. If you are independent you can choose to join in the war yourself, which is especially useful if you really want the war to succeed. Having Peace Deals with China will protect characters from Requested Invasions and normal invasions alike.

There are plenty of other things you can request; Scholar-Bureaucrats, Siege Engineers, Chinese Artifacts, Silk Road Trade Contracts and more - but I won’t go into more detail in this DD!

Finally I’d like to say that many of these features will be controllable by Game Rules. If you want to disable the Diplomatic Range of China and gain Grace as a count in Ireland you will be able to do so - the same if you do not wish to have China launch any invasions, along with many other things. And as always, if you have any ideas/questions/concerns for Game Rules relating to the features presented in the DD, feel free to suggest them here!
 
How many days are passing with these interactions? A message reaching to the Emperor of China and returning us with an answer.
For the sake of responsive gameplay we're not talking months here. Most interactions take a few days up to a few weeks.

Could be just me, but this all seems like a no brainer to be buddy-buddy with to China. What, if any, advantages are there to being completely opposed to their demands? Does china have a moral authority that we can undermine or even assume? For example, if I play as Tibet, there should be a reward to resisting them and say, reforming myself into an anti-Emperor (Chinese imitation...like a Chinese Anti-Pope) and get my own tributaries instead.
It's not necessarily easy to buddy up with China - you might simply not have any tribute you can or want to send. We've also discussed some ideas about opposing China, but we will not promise anything yet...

Would requesting a peace deal also white peace any ongoing wars with the emperor, or is it just a non aggression pact?
Requesting a Peace Deal when at war with China is a bit too late, in such a case you should have thought of it beforehand. ;)
Worth noting are that Peace Deals are one-way, it's China promising not to attack you...

Cheers for the DD rageair, this China lark sounds like a good 'un :D. I can imagine saving up grace for sudden advantages in MP games could be quite the gambit (and also very handy in SP). Like Heathen says, is there any benefit to not trying to play nice with China (beyond the cost required to build up grace)?
Our office MP's are full of people saving up Grace to devious ends - it's great fun! Regarding not playing nice, perhaps... :)

This looks brilliant. Mostly the marrying a princess bit.
Will the Emperor sometimes turn down the family members you send off to serve him? or will they always be accepted?
To reduce frustration you will only be able to send characters the Emperor would accept, not that he's always that thrilled - but it's the thought that counts, right? :p

Okay, this is starting to look good. But will the Emperor have his own court all, and will he be an actual character with a full fledged dynasty family tree and all?
The Chinese court exists off-map, thus you will not be able to see it. Emperors have family trees though, and you will be able to view the title history of China proper.

I hope there is a limit on how many "gifts" you can give the emperor as otherwise I can see players carting of people to china by the dozens.
There will be 'cooldowns', sending gifts to the Emperor too often would just serve to piss him off. We want you to carefully select characters to send off - we don't want you to send just anyone. :)
 
As such, I do not see how the Son of Heaven, ruling the greatest city on Earth at the Middle Kingdom, heart of the universe, would ever consider sending tribute to anyone, however how powerful.
It all depends on relative strength, and the CK2 time frame would witness some of the weakest Chinese empire like the Tang after Anshi rebellion, Five Dynasties, and the Northern as well as the Southern Song.
The Song emperors (Zhaos, like the princess in the dd above) paid tribute to Khitai emperor of the Liao in exchange for peace. Later they paid the Jurchen Jin empire even more tribute so Song managed to exist in spite of incapable military before the arrival of Mongols.
The Song also paid the Tangut Xia Kingdom a large sum of silver and silk yearly, and made it looks like a benevolent grant out of grace, but in reality it was in exchange for Tanguts keeping from raiding the Northwestern frontier of the Song. And because the Tanguts were clever enough to keep pretending as a vassal of the Emperor, the Middle Kingdom could lose less prestige for paying off them.
So during most CKII time frame if you are in position to cause enough trouble to China, the Heavenly Emperor can be persuaded to pay tribute as long as it's not called a "tribute".
 
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I do not see how the Son of Heaven, ruling the greatest city on Earth at the Middle Kingdom, heart of the universe, would ever consider sending tribute to anyone, however how powerful.
Um, not really. From Turks in World History:
The Xiongnu would continue an attenuated existence into the third century C.E. In 60 B.C.E., however, a series of succession wars began. Now, the Chinese demanded recognition of Chinese suzerainty as the condition for further treaties. In 54 B.C.E., the chanyu of a group of southern Xiongnu tribes accepted this condition. In 51 B.C.E., he even attended the Han court to pay homage to the emperor in person. He was handsomely rewarded for doing so, with thousands of pieces of silk, cash, and other goods. Subsequent steppe rulers never seriously objected to the well-rewarded sham of tributary relations with China. The value of Chinese gifts to subsequent chanyus who visited the Han court mounted dramatically, and for a time these resources enabled the chanyu to maintain Xiongnu unity.

Based on the essential role of tribute payments in sustaining Xiongnu power, this period of Inner Asian state formation (209 B.C.E.–551 C.E.) has been characterized as one of “tribute empires.”
Also, just plain old Wikipedia:
There is a clear differentiation between the term "tribute" and "gift." The former, known as gong, has important connotations. The Chinese emperors made sure that the gifts they paid to other states were known as mere gifts, not tributes. Even at times when a Chinese dynasty had to bribe nomads from raiding their border such as in the Han Dynasty and the Song Dynasty, the emperors gave "gifts" to the Xiongnu and the Khitan. The only time when a dynasty paid formal tribute to another was during the southern Song dynasty, where tribute was given to the Jin Dynasty for peace. The Jin Dynasty, having occupied the plains around the Yellow River, also saw itself as the legitimate holder of the "Mandate of Heaven".
So they may have been loathe to call it tribute, but the Chinese paid out nevertheless.
 
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Besides actual Chinese military and economic supremacy which would give even the historical Roman Empire a ton of problems, the mindset and cultural values of dynastic China could "never" allow them to do such a thing - even as late as the Qing regime they refused to bend down, even to superior forces.

As such, I do not see how the Son of Heaven, ruling the greatest city on Earth at the Middle Kingdom, heart of the universe, would ever consider sending tribute to anyone, however how powerful.

They may not have framed it as tribute but Chinese Emperors did pay off 'barbarians' so that they wouldn't raid their lands. So a similar thing. If you are strong (militarily/economically) enough they should be slightly proactive in seeking peace with you, not just 'we don't need you'.

But I get your point, I just wanted to know how else they interacted with the player.
 
will there be a relationship requirement ie positive opinion for a character to be willing to become an eunuch? Can they refuse and what happens if they do?

Yes I can see an ambitious son resisting this and possibly revolting against you.

Edit: also maybe pissing off your proud/zealous dynasty members by sending away members.
 
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The face pack looks so good! Especially that Chinese princess. Maybe better than the East Africans. Well done Crackdtoothgrin

the east africans are amazing
but you may be right
Can't wait to see more of them
That image also indirectly confirms a Nepalese portrait pack. So that's three we're getting.
 
The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration.
What if when China in ruled by a woman? Will she own a "reverse harem"?
 
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The Emperor has many daughters (and in the case of female rulers, cousins and kinsmen) and if you stand in their good Graces you might be allowed to have you or one of your children marry one of them!

Is it possible for a female ruler or heir to marry a Chinese prince?
 
Hopefully nomads won't become trivial in this new patch.

How will the Liao and Yuan empires be handled in the game? The Liao is currently portrayed as a nomad empire in the game, but irl their capital was in China, and they were only one power in China at the time. So will they be emperor of China or will the Song emperor be Chinese emperor? How will Chinese influence be handled in this case? Will China be in a turmoil state?
 
I fully approve of this, sounds extremely fun!

Though I want to repeat my one concern: @rageair, does "Silk Road" really mean just the Silk Road, and not any connected traderoute? Because a lot of mods add more traderoutes, and just scoping to "any_trade_route_province" will evaluate true for any traderoute...
 
I fully approve of this, sounds extremely fun!

Though I want to repeat my one concern: @rageair, does "Silk Road" really mean just the Silk Road, and not any connected traderoute? Because a lot of mods add more traderoutes, and just scoping to "any_trade_route_province" will evaluate true for any traderoute...
I think this was answered in the last diary; it only affects the Silk Road and new trade routes.