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CK2 Dev Diary #61: The Dragon Throne

Hello folks!

The Swedish summer vacations are drawing to a close and I’m back and eager to talk some more Crusader Kings! What better way to kick off the end of summer than by revealing the theme of the next expansion? Yes my friends, it’s China! Now, before you get all emotional one way or the other, we’re not actually going to expand the map farther east. We considered doing that, long and hard, but eventually decided on a different approach that would not strain performance and stability beyond reason. As I mentioned in Dev Diary #51, it bothers me that the eastern edge of the map just cuts off in such an unnatural way. Playing in the Orient, you should always feel like you’re in the shadow of the Dragon. It should be an interesting and dynamic region right in the center of the Old World. So, we came up with the idea of adding China as a political entity even though you cannot actually see most of its territory.

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There is a new screen you can open up, which, if you’re within range of China, allows you to interact with the Emperor in various interesting ways. China can grant many wonderful boons if you’re in the emperor’s good graces, but, depending on the current status and policy of the Dragon Throne, the emperor can also decide you’d better show some respect and become a tributary state. When there is turmoil in China, displaced or fleeing armies can arrive on the map and cause all kinds of trouble. China can even seize and rule actual provinces, but the emperor leaves the governing of such areas to the Governor of the Western Protectorate (or, to be a stickler, the “Protectorate General to Pacify the West”.) Potentially, this on-map part of China can grow enormously powerful, but you should not have to worry too much as long as you enjoy the emperor’s grace…

That’s going to be all for now. I’m sure you have a million questions, but you’ll have to wait for the upcoming dev diaries. :)

Meanwhile, remember to tune in to our CK2 livestreams between 16 to 18:00 CET!
 

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As a nomad player I am really happy with this new feature. Finally my turks will have something to worry about apart from looting, conquering and fighting minor clans.
 
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So awesome! Finally China makes an appearance, one way or another! I think it is a great compromise between not having a China in that era and having to expand the map East to include China.
 

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This way, the emperor keeps the same name during life and death, and the name they're generally known by is used.

But this weird mixture of surname with temple name just don't match up, it is inconsistent in itself. If it was like 'Tang Daizong' it would be consistent, but names like 'Li Daizong' is just... utter nonsense.
 

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I'm aware that the Western Protectorate is ruled by a viceroy appointed by the Emperor, so it would be hard to make a succession mechanic for it
but still, is there any chance we can play as the Protector of the West?
 

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Will there be a way to turn China off even with the expansion on ALA Aztecs? Because I'm looking forward to other new features but don't want this waste of space off the map empire you can't invade.
 

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Yes - the Emperor and Dynasty will be converted, and EU4 Ming will be replaced by whatever is in CK2 (Yuan, Tang, etc). Culture and religion will also be converted over. Any land held by the Protectorate will be given to China proper. :)
Nestorian China:cool:
 

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Will the Aztecs be added as an off-map empire as well?
 

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While I don't care much about the Eastern part of the map(steppes/India) this feature is going to potentially do absolute wonders for mods, especially fantasy ones. Like you could add Draenor in a Warcraft mod, dwarves in a Dragon Age mod, Cathay for Warhammer, etc in a much more fluid manner. Hope Paradox puts alot of effort in this feature because it could have alot of potential
 

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Would it be possible to "invade" this Chinese entity (i.e the Mongols)? That way there are interesting scenarios of a more dynamic rise of the Mongols, the potential Muslim invasion of China, bitter rivalry between whatever pan Indian empire exists and China, etc.
 

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I dont think Aztec can be added as a off map empire , it is never even exist. We found the new world on EU4. Aztecs never chat with Europ before Europs start to kill them.
Point of Sunset Invasion is that the Aztecs got the technology to interact(invade) with Europe which means that with this feature there would be no reason not to add them as an off-map empire when they start invading seeing how they obviously are then in a position to "chat" with Europe and send armies, just like the Chinese can.
 

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also, Emperor Daizong LOVED Buddhism, he was one of the most pro-Buddhism emperor of Tang dynasty.
I dont know where you get the idea that he "dislikes Buddhist".Emperor Wuzong after him did unleashed a crackdown on Buddhism, not him.
 

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But this weird mixture of surname with temple name just don't match up, it is inconsistent in itself. If it was like 'Tang Daizong' it would be consistent, but names like 'Li Daizong' is just... utter nonsense.
Ageed unfortunately. It would be more consistent with proper nomenclature if it showed only the Temple Name without family name. Or family name and personal name. @Meneth

also, Emperor Daizong LOVED Buddhism, he was one of the most pro-Buddhism emperor of Tang dynasty.
I dont know where you get the idea that he "dislikes Buddhist"
My guess it is randomly generated (or they didn't yet went through checking which Emperor prefered what).
 

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also, Emperor Daizong LOVED Buddhism, he was one of the most pro-Buddhism emperor of Tang dynasty.
I dont know where you get the idea that he "dislikes Buddhist".Emperor Wuzong after him did unleashed a crackdown on Buddhism, not him.
Like Warial says, this is currently random.