CK2 Dev Diary #61: The Dragon Throne

[CrackdToothGrin]

It's not feasible to change that, though. They would need to redo all portraits to increase the visible area.

Yeah. That's like a CKIII thing, assuming the whole system isn't different.

I do typically have the whole thing modeled even if only part of it shows, but that treatment isn't consistent and depends on workload and the timeframe. Some pieces get more rendering love and some more post-work (crowns vs. turbans, for instance).

It'd take a lot of work to pull off in addition to probably making a bunch of changes outside my purview and I am pretty sure most complaints I see in here essentially hinge around a perception of where developer time should be spent. I'd wager wanting more content depth and mechanical changes are where y'all would mostly rather take it.

 

[Caspian Mortis]

It's not feasible to change that, though. They would need to redo all portraits to increase the visible area.

Breaking news!

Crusader Kings III to have full body portraits of characters in order to assure maximum display of regal clothing and headgear in all their gloriousness!

 

[CrackdToothGrin]

Breaking news!

Crusader Kings III to have full body portraits of characters in order to assure maximum display of regal clothing and headgear in all their gloriousness!

Whew... Full body would be rough. It's often hard enough to find good academic material on clothing, especially for non-western people(s). A bigger bust would be cool, along with some more headroom. One can dream, if a sequel ever gets made.

 

[vandevere]

Whew... Full body would be rough. It's often hard enough to find good academic material on clothing, especially for non-western people(s). A bigger bust would be cool, along with some more headroom. One can dream, if a sequel ever gets made.

Yes. A fully displayed crown, and some ermine showing on the shoulders would be enough...

 

[Kartas]

I am sorry if this question have been already answered by the community or deve or forum assistmens but CAN i marry a chinese girl?? And reform as a chinese The biggest chinese invasion in the europe that world have ever sen?

Also, would it get its own events chains creating the idea of rulling an empire in the east?

PS : Can we have a Asian medieval world simulator then? Like ck2

 

[elvain]

People are writing text walls about bringing features to HRE or Byzantines. What is even the point of this expansion?

The point of China expansion?

Many people have been hoping that China DLC would bring a bureaucratic or other imperial mechanics and that's what they keep hoping.
Wasn't one of your original complaints about this DLC announcement that this DLC won't bring anything to the game if you don't play in the eastern edges of the map? People who - unlike you - don't simply hate anything about this DLC announcement and take it as something promissing, simply hope that it will bring what a China DLC is supposed to bring: Features, which will enhance the gameplay not only arounf the eastern edge of the map.

We know and - I personaly - don't expect anything than bitching from you, but you should face it: This DLC can bring us many great features about which we have no idea at the moment. Just relax and try to be positive. It may not be the disaster you are trying to convince yourself and everybody else. Just admit that you might be wrong. For some personalities it is hard, but I believe you are mature enough to do it.
2:58 for you

 

[Mees Henneken]

The point of China expansion?

Many people have been hoping that China DLC would bring a bureaucratic or other imperial mechanics and that's what they keep hoping.
Wasn't one of your original complaints about this DLC announcement that this DLC won't bring anything to the game if you don't play in the eastern edges of the map? People who - unlike you - don't simply hate anything about this DLC announcement and take it as something promissing, simply hope that it will bring what a China DLC is supposed to bring: Features, which will enhance the gameplay not only arounf the eastern edge of the map.

We know and - I personaly - don't expect anything than bitching from you, but you should face it: This DLC can bring us many great features about which we have no idea at the moment. Just relax and try to be positive. It may not be the disaster you are trying to convince yourself and everybody else. Just admit that you might be wrong. For some personalities it is hard, but I believe you are mature enough to do it.
2:58 for you

Explained very nicely, as myself and others have tried before. This guy, however, just ignores sensible posts like these advocating moderacy and optimism, and continues bitching while knowing almost nothing about the expansion's further features.

Best way to deal with toxic people like Foreign Alien is to just block them.

 

[liredarion]

Explained very nicely, as myself and others have tried before. This guy, however, just ignores sensible posts like these advocating moderacy and optimism, and continues bitching while knowing almost nothing about the expansion's further features.

Best way to deal with toxic people like Foreign Alien is to just block them.

I find that saying a "toxic person" is excessive and rude, you don't know him or her , and you haven't the right to say that . He only expressed a view that others may share. You denounce the excess of totally denigrating this dlc but fall into the other excess which consists in making it untouchable. Look at the ratio of like / dislike under dev-diary, it is very high. You can't claim to represent the most important part of the players. Paradox is not an artistic association, it is a company with the goal of making money. If they want their customers to buy their products, they should take into account as many opinions as possible including disagreements with the line they follow. Preventing any dispute is counterproductive; "foreign alien" is a paradox client, it is his right to say that the content proposed for sale does not suit him ,and compared to the ratio under the diary, Paradox should take this discontent into account.

 

[elvain]

I find that saying a "toxic person" is excessive and rude, you don't know him or her , and you haven't the right to say that . He only expressed a view that others may share. You denounce the excess of totally denigrating this dlc but fall into the other excess which consists in making it untouchable. Look at the ratio of like / dislike under dev-diary, it is very high. You can't claim to represent the most important part of the players. Paradox is not an artistic association, it is a company with the goal of making money. If they want their customers to buy their products, they should take into account as many opinions as possible including disagreements with the line they follow. Preventing any dispute is counterproductive; "foreign alien" is a paradox client, it is his right to say that the content proposed for sale does not suit him ,and compared to the ratio under the diary, Paradox should take this discontent into account.

Generaly agree. The whole point against him is that we don't know the content yet. We have seen one screen tied to the main theme of the DLC. We know it will bring some features which are tied to this part of the map and we know about some features which will not (changed tributaries). There are assumptions that it might unlock some new forms of government, which may be very handy for other parts of map and other things which we know nothing about.

Everybody has the right to complain, but the complaints IMHO should not be total denouncement as shown by the "enfant terrible" of this thread, who turns everything into reasoning why he and we all should dislike this DLC. Sometimes his arguments even go against his previous complaints, so it seems like his only goal is to complain, not to find answers to his questions. That's far beyond constrictive criticism you speak about.

If he has the right to be bitching like this, then others have their right to dislike it and pay him back the same way. I don't think it's good, but this excessive reaction was caused by his excessive negativism.

 

[Mees Henneken]

I find that saying a "toxic person" is excessive and rude, you don't know him or her , and you haven't the right to say that . He only expressed a view that others may share. You denounce the excess of totally denigrating this dlc but fall into the other excess which consists in making it untouchable. Look at the ratio of like / dislike under dev-diary, it is very high. You can't claim to represent the most important part of the players. Paradox is not an artistic association, it is a company with the goal of making money. If they want their customers to buy their products, they should take into account as many opinions as possible including disagreements with the line they follow. Preventing any dispute is counterproductive; "foreign alien" is a paradox client, it is his right to say that the content proposed for sale does not suit him ,and compared to the ratio under the diary, Paradox should take this discontent into account.

I'll have to disagree with most everything you just said, and from some of your points I'm assuming you didn't read the full 26 pages of the thread (why would you?).

I indeed do not know him, and would not want to based on what I have seen. This does not, however, impair my ability to recognize a toxic person incapable of being reasoned with.

He didn't solely express a view, he needlessly bashed the entirety of the Pdox team (calling them incompetents and the like) based on this single DD, an act demonstrating childishness and lack of insight.

Furthermore, I haven't heavily defended this DLC so far, all I said was we don't know all the features (far from it in fact) and thus can't pass judgement. I do like the premise of the DLC, true, but I can see some of the shortcomings people have pointed out.

I have never claimed to represent the most important part of the playerbase. In fact, Foreign Alien is the one consistently doing so, quoting reddit threads as 'evidence'.

I see nothing wrong with the rest of your post, he has the right to voice his disagreement with the DLC. Basically my problem with this person is not the fact he is criticizing the DLC, but the attitude with wich the criticism is conveyed.

He excessively utilizes sarcasm and name-calling to 'support' his arguments, and completely ignores the many posts engaging his points. To me, these are symptoms of probably a troll, but definitely someone who is very, VERY toxic to the community.

Looking forward to your thoughts, I find people who actually engage in debate after posting their opinion refreshing.

 

[LizardCommander]

Are there an plans to implement a system that allows us to change our character's clothing + headwear?

 

[Xinkc]

Well, this is certainly an unexpected and... interesting way to add China to say the least.

 

[elvain]

One thing I'm begging for paradox, PLEASE add a bureaucratic style government that can be used to properly represent pre Pronoia Byzantium better than feudal vice-royalty.

Such a system would also greatly help the islamic part of the map. Definitely a changed iqta, or a new style of government for states which didn't use iqta (everything before Buyids and Seljuks and everything west of Egypt) would be benefitial.

 

[frolix42]

What's become hilariously apparent with Paradox's "middle way" implementation of China is that people who don't want China are STILL not happy with it. Who would of thought right, that people who don't want China in the game still don't want China in the game. Just look at this thread where a quarter of the posts are about prince electors. Same with reddit. If Paradox wanted to do China then just do it. If they couldn't implement China then don't do it at all. Paradox has already screwed over a bunch of fans with India, it's like they think screwing them over less will make things "ok" again.

The above is a perfect example of forcing the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Since you don't get China in the game precisely how you want it, you don't want any version of China at all to spite everyone.

You assert that Paradox did India badly but then demand they also do China, which is even larger and more different than Europe. This is not rational.

I liked the RoI DLC enough, though I would have liked it more if it had more regionally unique features. But I understand why this is a difficult and resource intensive task. Like adding unique features for Horse Lords by manipulating existing mechanics was less than ideal.

I do not want a full, playable version of China in the game if Paradox cannot afford the time and resources to do it justice.

I would like China to have an increased role in the game that reflects it's historically unique nature.

I am not going to let the fact that I would also like other features added to the game dissuade me from purchasing this DLC, if this DLC looks to add enough features to improve my game experience.

I am going to wait for other Dev Diaries before I decide if I will buy this DLC at release. I think virtually all thinking people should do the same.

 

[frolix42]

I am sorry if this question have been already answered by the community or deve or forum assistmens but CAN i marry a chinese girl even though asian girls are cheating a lot??

 

[FallenNation]

Will the Aztecs from the Sunset Invasion get a similar off screen title system? It seems to be consistent with their backstory.

 

[Foreign Alien]

So this DD has 80 disagrees now. That's a fifth. Are they all just some conspiracy bot I made up?

 

[Orinsul]

Will the Aztecs from the Sunset Invasion get a similar off screen title system? It seems to be consistent with their backstory.

that would be cool

 

[elvain]

So this DD has 80 disagrees now. That's a fifth. Are they all just some conspiracy bot I made up?

Quite a few of your posts have cca 40 disagrees. Usualy you have around 20. Good score!
Sadly for you the OP has over 280 positive interactions. You hardly get over 10

Yup, you should be the spokesman of who has the community's support, with usual 80-90% disagreement ratio

EDIT: I'd recommend you to check a usual OP of a China DLC suggestion/speculation thread. The agree/disagree ratio of those is much more negative. Even though they hardly get any closer to your regular score.
Btw, I haven't voted about this OP, since I'm still waiting for what will this DLC bring

 

[Kartas]

Except aztecs and chinese what else would be added with this new mchanic? Maybe more african provinces in south africa? To make africans more interestings and more playble?