CK2 Dev Diary #61: The Dragon Throne

[treb]

mmmh.... do you guys think there's a possibility for China-Roman Empire events?
they historicaly had contact between both Empires...if very little...
maybe special diplomacy events that grant unique bonus or even a special trade route...maybe chinese courtiers
Plus China saw Rome as it's only equal back then...at least i think so...i dont remember well

there are mentions of sporadic contacts between Byzantium and China with various emissaries and merchants from the Tang, Song, and Yuan dynasties (usually informing each other of successions ext) up until the Hongwu emperor sent a merchant back to notify them of the foundation of the Ming dynasty after which there are no further contacts mentioned with what the Chinese considered Romans until the 16th century

 

[CorpusIurisCivilis]

there are mentions of sporadic contacts between Byzantium and China with various emissaries and merchants from the Tang, Song, and Yuan dynasties (usually informing each other of successions ext) up until the Hongwu emperor sent a merchant back to notify them of the foundation of the Ming dynasty after which there are no further contacts mentioned with what the Chinese considered Romans until the 16th century

Could you imagine going into EU4 with a Roman Empire allied to China and it basically becomes a "Lets split the world in 2" situation
Or even better...it becomes a Cold War like scenario with every little nation/tribe and what not picking a side between the 2 super powers

 

[Keizer Harm]

Could you imagine going into EU4 with a Roman Empire allied to China and it basically becomes a "Lets split the world in 2" situation
Or even better...it becomes a Cold War like scenario with every little nation/tribe and what not picking a side between the 2 super powers

I would love to play that game

 

[treb]

Could you imagine going into EU4 with a Roman Empire allied to China and it basically becomes a "Lets split the world in 2" situation
Or even better...it becomes a Cold War like scenario with every little nation/tribe and what not picking a side between the 2 super powers

Most lightly they would have maintained sporadic contact up until ether side had the ability to efficiently contact each other to formalize a diplomatic relationship its important to remember both sides knew very little of each other and had warped perceptions of each other due to lack of an efficient means to relay information. One example is the Han dynasties sum knowledge of Romans was derived from Syria and byzantine historians in the 7th century made note of the merging of "Cathay" and "Mangi" and that they had been at war recently.

 

[Zayd]

As you konw mongolian portrait in CK2 is same ugly, flat nose.....The reason is most Asian live in west are come from southeast Asia region. Western people think Asian looks same. But it's wrong. The facial features of North Asian and South Asian are totally different. e.g. Marco Polo(America TV series) the actor of Genghis Khan is a Cantonese, However Most Monglian are prominent nose.

Thats because most Mongolians have some western Eurasian DNA(Around 15%,according to Harappaworld Admixture calculator) in them,possibly from ancient Indo-European tribes that lived in central Asian steppes.
But still not all Mongolians have sharp noses.

 

[marcelodcs]

Kinda 'meh' of an expansion for me. I'm looking foward more to those new CBs teased before the vacation.

 

[Caspian Mortis]

Some people here are quite upset about China not getting in the game, which I completely understand. A whole expansion adding China and the rest of Asia to the map would have been absolute gigantic, possibly worth several expansions, so I also understand the counterpoint.

On the other hand, i'm just excited for anything related to China so there's that.

 

[The Shacks]

Wil never really understand why people want China, you got Eu4 for that. China is rather dull and harmogenous through most this period, more to the point it's called Crusader Kings This to me seems the smartest way to implement China in a game thats about Europe and the surrounding areas.

 

[Foreign Alien]

Some people here are quite upset about China not getting in the game, which I completely understand. A whole expansion adding China and the rest of Asia to the map would have been absolute gigantic, possibly worth several expansions, so I also understand the counterpoint.

On the other hand, i'm just excited for anything related to China so there's that.

Why would it need several expansions, and what would that even look like? How would you divide it up? We'll have add southwest China, then North China, and then south China? China proper is similar in size to India and that got added to the game in one expansion. The only area that I can think that would probably be cut out is Japan.

 

[illathid]

First of source, secondly just because you couldn't take power without having a good number of the kurfurst on your side doesn't mean only they voted. and them increasingly defacto being the only votes that mattered is what eld to the golden bull. Also 1257 is the fall of the hohenstaufens.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Germany/Germany-from-1250-to-1493#ref297145

And yes, 1257 is the fall of the Hohenstaufens, but the fall of the Hohenstauffens is well within the time period of CK2. Hell it's almost exactly half way into the game if you have only the vanilla start date.

Does Golden Bull style elective succession best represent the HRE for the entire game? No. But it does represent it for a significant portion of it, and I'm sick of it being used as an excuse as a reason not to add it. Also, CK2 goes off the rails as soon as the game starts, what could be possibly wrong with allowing a historical type of succession show up a bit earlier than it did in history? Also, such a succession law would be extremely for many different mods, including my own.

 

[Siggerad]

the theme of the next expansion? Yes my friends, it’s China!

China but without China really? a pop up China, lame.

 

[Caspian Mortis]

Why would it need several expansions, and what would that even look like?

China is not an island. If you add China, you need to add Korea, Manchuria, the rest of Mongolia and let's not forget Southeast Asia. Otherwise China has nothing to do and no one to interact with except Tibet and some Mongolian polities. Adding China without the rest of Asia would just feel...weird.

 

[Wagonlitz]

So that's how @Wagonlitz always knows!

Pretty sure I've told you in the past; aren't you listening to what I say?

 

[Caspian Mortis]

Wil never really understand why people want China, you got Eu4 for that.

Well EU4 is more Renaissance and Industrial/early modern era than medieval. And since there is no game of Paradox currently containing (medieval) China, this was the best hope for people who wanted China.

China is rather dull and harmogenous through most this period

That's just not true. China has a very interesting history, also during the Medieval age, along with Korea, Japan and Southeast Asia.

 

[Thure]

Wil never really understand why people want China, you got Eu4 for that. China is rather dull and harmogenous through most this period, more to the point it's called Crusader Kings This to me seems the smartest way to implement China in a game thats about Europe and the surrounding areas.

CK is NOT about Europe and the Crusades.

It's only called Crusader Kings because it's a good name. They devs clearly said it multible times. If they could the game would be called 'Game of Thrones' and not 'Crusader Kings'.

And why should I pßlay EU4 if I'm interested in Tang, Song and Yuan China? That would be like saying 'You want to play as France? Play Hearts of Iron and cut France from CK2.'

 

[Kumicho]

I haven't read all 26 pages, but I have to say that this might be the first expansion in a looooong time that I don't buy at release. Mainly, I don't play as an Indian ruler, and I've grown tired of nomads. So the only time I would have any interaction with the Chinese would be when I'm on a conquest spree and invade enough of the continent to actually come in to contact. So maybe when I conquer India as a Zunist, Muslim or Nestorian? Maybe?

Or are there going to be other interactions for the rest of the map to some degree (ie, more Marco Polo events)?

 

[Federalist girl]

Look at the screenshot - the protectorate's shield already differs from regular Indian ones if I'm not mistaken

Huh, is it? I was actually looking for that but I couldn't tell. I just saw small circles?

Edit: okay there's also an Empire tier shield with a dragon CoA -- and that's definitely the standard Indian-style Empire-tier shield.

I hope they use a unique one moving forward though...

 

[vandevere]

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The emperor's hat is only half

So are the Imperial crowns of the HRE. That's been a gripe of mine for ages. If I have a crown, I want to see the *WHOLE* darn thing in my Ruler's picture; spires and all, and the Chinese Imperial crowns should be the same.

 

[Someone4121]

I know you're not expanding the map into China now, is there any chance that could happen in the future?

 

[Andrelvis]

So are the Imperial crowns of the HRE. That's been a gripe of mine for ages. If I have a crown, I want to see the *WHOLE* darn thing in my Ruler's picture; spires and all, and the Chinese Imperial crowns should be the same.

It's not feasible to change that, though. They would need to redo all portraits to increase the visible area.