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CK2 Dev Diary #55: Nurture vs Nuisance

Hello everyone!

Yes folks, it’s time to answer that age old question: can human behavior be nurtured, or is it too much of a nuisance? Educating children in CK2 is a powerful tool to sculpt your future character and supporting cast, but it can also become a bit of nuisance, at least if you have Conclave. This issue has been on my radar for awhile, but we finally got around to addressing it with a three pronged assault. First, since children don’t actually need an assigned Guardian or a set Childhood or Education Focus, we added a Game Rule controlling when you get Education Alerts; for all children, your close relatives, or just your own character and your primary heir. Secondly, there really isn’t any reason why you should not be able to assign a Guardian for children below the age of 6 - it’s just annoying to have to wait for a specific birthday. So... now you can. Lastly, and probably most significantly, being the default “Educator” for all children at court means you can get spammed with a lot of upbringing events concerning kids you don’t care about. Thus, we added a new “Honorary Title” called Teacher. The Court Teacher becomes the default Educator for all kids at court that don’t have a specific Guardian (so you can still make yourself the Guardian for two kids you care about and get their upbringing events, for example.) Together, these changes make upbringing far less of a hassle.

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But enough about that; time to say a few words about the next patch! We’ve been keeping a close eye on your feedback and have decided to release an Open Beta patch (probably next week) which should fix the worst outstanding issues and tide you over the summer. The patch should hopefully address most of your concerns. We will not go into full detail for all points now (we’ll save that for when it comes out), but we’re hoping to have solutions for the following issues:
  • Infinite Epidemics
  • Tribal Inheritance Issues (Tribal rulers turning Feudal on succession)
  • AI Pathfinding during Crusades
  • Soul Corruption events appearing for non-Satanists
  • Secret Cult Frequency - For this one we did a lot of testing & balancing, hopefully with the following changes they shouldn’t appear too frequently:
    • When a Secret Religious Cult reveals itself, all members will join in the conversion instead of just the ones in the same realm
    • The AI is now more often unsuccessful in recruiting new members to Secret Religious Cults
    • Priests, Zealous characters and Paranoid characters are now much less likely to join a secret cult
    • Characters accused of Apostasy (with the modifier) can no longer Induce Sympathy, Induct or Invite characters to Secret Cults
    • The cooldown between inviting/inducting characters into Secret Cults increased to 10 years from 5
    • The AI is now less likely to recruit/induct characters into cults if they are in a realm without a player
    • Lowered the maximum amount of members the AI can recruit into Secret Religious Cults to a more modest number (from 370 to 91)
    • Characters in Secret Religious Cults can now only use Prepare Grounds in counties they or their vassals own
    • The AI is now much less inclined to create a secret religious cult just because their liege is a player
That’s all for now! Stay tuned for next week’s dev diary, and be sure to check out the livestream today, starting at 17:00 CET (not 16 this time.)
 
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TheDungen said:
No but latin was the language of learning in this era.
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In a university..and christian (religious) authorities, going by your source.
Teachers/guardians at least in game are often no religious authority and are not university.
I'd say the same was true for the nobility we play for the most part in real life.
 
Aardvark Bellay said:
In a university..and christian (religious) authorities, going by your source.
Teachers/guardians at least in game are often no religious authority and are not university.
I'd say the same was true for the nobility we play for the most part in real life.
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A personal teacher at a court would be drawn either from the clergy or from what institutions of higher learning which were available and you're wrong the nobles were expected to be able to speak latin, even if few of them spoke it particularly well. There is the famous quote of "I am king of the romans and above grammar" when emperor sigismund got his latin grammar wrong.

Latin was the lingua franca in the middle ages.
 
TheDungen said:
..There is the famous quote of "I am king of the romans and above grammar"
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As he was bad at it...and don't derail the argument please.
It wasn't about latin.

Despite all this, what i said still stands
"Teachers/guardians at least in game are often no religious authority and are not university."

..and a religious authority working as a tutor wasn't necessarily doctor.
 
Wow, quite a heated development and I didn't get to take part of it (whew! ;)).
@TheDungen asked if we would cater to ignorance, I'd say that on the contrary, I'm relying on people's current knowledge of what a Doctor is to them; even if etymologically Doctor meant "teacher" a thousand years ago or more, I'm certain for the most part people think of an MD when they think Doctor, especially for those whom English is a second language. And I'm not making this up, either: upon consulting the Online Oxford dictionary, in its entrance for Doctor, the first definition is "A person who is qualified to treat people who are ill." Ref. Yes, in the section dedicated to the origin of the word it confirms that it comes from Latin "teacher," however we're (at least I am) talking about nowadays English and making it easier from a gameplay-point-of-view.
Also, I'd like to bring an example of the time period in question. Spanish epithet for El Cid, "Campeador" , means in the Proto-Spanish/Late-Latin-on-the-verge-of-evolution spoken in Iberia in XI c. AD "Campi doctor(is)," which means "[battle]field master/expert" already identifying a "Doctor" as someone who's skilled in a particular area of knowledge, and away from merely a teacher.
On the other hand, there's the word "Tutor" which is also Latin. Again from the Oxford Dictionary, it says its origin is "to watch, guard", and what is the devs' "Court Teacher" (horrible title) going to be but the Daycare for the children running around in your court whose education you have to micromanage, robbing your attention from really important affairs? (I read in a post some time ago that it should be called "Realm Nanny," and I wholeheartedly agreed.)
 
TheDungen said:
No but latin was the language of learning in this era.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(title)#Origins

"The doctorate (Latin: doceō, lit. 'I teach') appeared in medieval Europe as a license to teach"

Here's an idea if you're going to try to be a besserwisser... try making sure you're actually right.
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You should use the full quote.

"The doctorate (Latin: doceō, lit. 'I teach') appeared in medieval Europe as a license to teach (Latin: licentia docendi) at a medieval university."

It was the license to teach ONLY at a university. The same is still true for universities. Universities today still have the 'doctorate'. But this don't mean we use Doctor for children's teachers.
 
Thure said:
You should use the full quote.

"The doctorate (Latin: doceō, lit. 'I teach') appeared in medieval Europe as a license to teach (Latin: licentia docendi) at a medieval university."

It was the license to teach ONLY at a university. The same is still true for universities. Universities today still have the 'doctorate'. But this don't mean we use Doctor for children's teachers.
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Because people today can't exactly pay a doctor to pay their kids, kings and emperors in the medieval age are a quite different matter. If you look at the people who we have on record as having taught royalty these are the kind of people who did.

And no not only at the university the only ones who were allowed to teach at a university.
 
TheDungen said:
Because people today can't exactly pay a doctor to pay their kids, kings and emperors in the medieval age are a quite different matter. If you look at the people who we have on record as having taught royalty these are the kind of people who did.

And no not only at the university the only ones who were allowed to teach at a university.
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So, since I read about "doctor" meaning "teacher" in Latin, being derived from doceō which means "teach, instruct" there's been a word gnawing in my head and I finally recalled: "Docent".
"Docent" is related enough to "Doctor" in the sense of "teacher, lecturer" without the modern implication of MD or PhD that could throw off some people.
 
Bearnest said:
So, since I read about "doctor" meaning "teacher" in Latin, being derived from doceō which means "teach, instruct" there's been a word gnawing in my head and I finally recalled: "Docent".
"Docent" is related enough to "Doctor" in the sense of "teacher, lecturer" without the modern implication of MD or PhD that could throw off some people.
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It is also the modern Dutch word for teacher.
 
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