CK2 Dev Diary #52: Rhythm is a Lancer

[_Perun_]

(maybe something to do with foreign embassies and arranging marriages, or something to do with Laws. Suggestions are welcome!)

Not really about the chancellor job but could you please think about expanding the "break betrothal" diplomatic option on vassals? At least on those of your dynasty. At least on your children.

 

[louie97]

Long as it's just one county at a time and the treaty is still enforced, I'm all for unjustified wars. Having to get claims seemed sorta silly in certain situations anyways

 

[Doomdark]

Doesn't this just exacerbate the case of fighting long massive wars with hundreds of thousands of casualties for a single county?

Hopefully not. Check out dev diary #50.

 

[Doomdark]

Will the prestige/piety cost increase with realm size? Prestige is practically unlimited at Empire level, and even piety comes in abundance.

Likely.

 

[Mr. Capiatlist]

One thing I'm worried about with the possibility of losing fabricate claims is building up three or four claims, perhaps a duchy, and pushing them all at once.

Is there any thoughts among the developers with keeping this in place, or is it in the sights for getting cut in the name of rhythm?

 

[Doomdark]

Will the Unjustified war cause a higher threat impact compared to claims? Just wondering since it would make some sense since you don't have any claims on the land itself, I wouldn't mind seeing certain wars cause less threat compared to others

That makes sense.

 

[King Tony I]

Why do you want to change the entire system now? It works very nice

 

[Doomdark]

One thing I'm worried about with the possibility of losing fabricate claims is building up three or four claims, perhaps a duchy, and pushing them all at once.

Is there any thoughts among the developers with keeping this in place, or is it in the sights for getting cut in the name of rhythm?

Well, we are adding a bunch more CBs, mentioned in dev diary #50.

 

[Doomdark]

Why do you want to change the entire system now? It works very nice

It works, but IMO not very well. We're going to tread lightly though.

 

[PK_AZ]

Hope you will add impassable fortifications like in EU4, is something I miss in CK, and certainly I miss it in the Game of Thrones mod.

Were impassable fortifications really a thing during medieval? I mean, unless we talk about bridge or mountain pass, why cannot aggressor just go few metres right from our castle?

Yes, please don't turn this into blobbingsimulator2017

I don't think stronger CBs could change CK2 into blobbing simulator. Low price of occupation, lack of points of strategical interest and roleplay-strategy dichotomy can and for me - do.

 

[lokomoko]

First off, we’re going to deemphasize the “Fabricate Claim” job by giving all playable entities (including Christians) a form of “Unjustified War”

I don't like this change. It's going to be a lot harder for small feudal lords at the start (if you start next to a large power, or even moderate powers), as well as making it much easier for players who know how to exploit mechanics to blob more easily.

 

[DerMaulwurf]

One thing to consider when restricting assaults is how long sieges in CK2 take.

Siege engineers were extremely important for armies in the late middle ages and they ended sieges much faster than represented in-game.

 

[Parzival2211]

Don't get rid of "Fabricate claim". It's not entirely unhistorical, therefore has it's justification. It could be nerfed a bit. I do support the idea of having the option for an illegitimate war, but it must come at a considerable cost.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

How about turning "fabricate claim" into "justify feud"? Essentially creating incidents so that the world at large consider the conflict justified, but allowing the target to de-escalate by apologizing and paying compensation, resulting in a truce. This way the counts can somewhat protect themselves from their coreligionist neighbors.

Although honestly, totally unjustified war sounds like a bad idea. While you can fight a war over a stolen bucket, such excuses can be invalidated by a simple apology and returning the said bucket if the other side doesn't want a war. A completely unjustified war should be associated with a huge penalty on par with breaking truce.

 

[rageair]

Will the Unjustified war cause a higher threat impact compared to claims? Just wondering since it would make some sense since you don't have any claims on the land itself, I wouldn't mind seeing certain wars cause less threat compared to others

Yes, this type of war generates 2x the Threat of a normal conquest. Though as it's only over one county it's not the end of the world.

Will the prestige/piety cost increase with realm size? Prestige is practically unlimited at Empire level, and even piety comes in abundance.

Yes, significantly. At King or Emperor rank you still have the option, but you're better off declaring pretty much any other kind of war. It's just a single county conquest after all, later in the game you've likely got claimants or such instead!

Please make a game rule which allows us to disable the "Unjustified war"

Of course.

How far away can the provinces we claim in unjustified wars be?

Also have you considered how to make this work intuitively with the declare war screen? If you can declare war for any province, and each eligible province is listed as a separate CB, then the list of available CBs in the declare war screen will be rather cumbersome.

It will work much like the Muslim conquest CB, so if you're used to that this will be familiar.

 

[Doomdark]

I don't like this change. It's going to be a lot harder for small feudal lords at the start (if you start next to a large power, or even moderate powers), as well as making it much easier for players who know how to exploit mechanics to blob more easily.

Well, we will be careful with the balance, and what the AI will do, etc. The Fabricate Claim job is bad for three main reasons:

• Unpredictable Time
• Unpredictable Cost
  
• Unpredictable Outcome

In this case, I prefer a solution that gives more direct player agency. (There will be appropriate penalties for using the new CB.)

 

[majorlupa]

Can we please get rid of the events that lower the troops of the sieging army ? Its easy to bypass but its annoying to do it for every siege.

 

[HandicapdHippo]

I'm calling it now, the no CB war will be used by the ai when the patch comes out, cause a huge amount of raging, spend two or three patches being tweaked before becoming player only because everyone will complain everytime its used against them.

 

[Doomdark]

Can we please get rid of the events that lower the troops of the sieging army ? Its easy to bypass but its annoying to do it for every siege.

A Siege Events Game Rule? Doable...

 

[Furleppe]

Hmm, I hope that with more options to expand there will be some new mechanics for maintaining realm stability or some other post-conquest repercussions.