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CK2 Dev Diary #41: Secret Religious Cults

Hi folks!

This week is a big deal for me and for everyone else who has worked on Crusader Kings II over the years, because the game is just about to turn five years old! It was released on Valentine’s Day, February 14th, 2012. (So, if you’re running low on ideas for a gift to that special someone tomorrow, what could be more romantic than a copy of Crusader Kings II? Just saying.)

Five years on, we are still cranking out expansions and updates, all thanks to you folks! I have to say, the lifespan of this game has been pretty amazing compared to all the previous games I’ve worked on. I loved them all, of course - those games we no longer actively support - from Europa Universalis to Victoria II, but it’s been fantastic to be allowed to keep building on a game for so long, unlocking so much of its potential. CK2 is also special to me because I owned the vision and have done so much work on it personally. Stay tuned for a special anniversary dev diary tomorrow, where I will talk about the history and development of the game at length.

Of more immediate interest, we have essentially finished work on the upcoming expansion, Monks and Mystics, and it’s shaped up very well! You might already know, or suspect, that most of the new Societies will be part of the paid expansion, but there is one type of Society that actually comes with the free update; Secret Religious Cults (yes, this means that the Society framework itself is also free, so that modders can go nuts even without the expansion.) These Societies consist of followers who falsely profess faith in one religion while secretly belonging to another.

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Almost all of the main (non-heretic) religions have a corresponding “Secret Cult”. The membership consists of characters who fake belief in another religion in order to avoid persecution. Rulers can join any of these cults if the religion exists within diplomatic distance, and at the highest rank, the ruler can finally overtly embrace the religion and convert. Meanwhile, you get missions and powers to induce Sympathy for your real religion in other characters in the realm as well as the population in the counties. With careful groundwork, you can stage an extremely powerful religious revolt; as long as your subversive activities go unnoticed by your liege…

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Next week we’ll start going over the patch notes, and don’t miss our anniversary stream later today or the special dev diary tomorrow!
 

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(So, if you’re running low on ideas for a gift to that special someone tomorrow, what could be more romantic than a copy of Crusader Kings II? Just saying
ill give it to my sister then
 

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Between me and my significant other, we reference the game as "The one where you can kill your wife".

My wife calls it the baby game, because I'm constantly having babies with other women in it. She also keeps telling me to stop marrying 16 year olds and getting rid of them when they're old, but we all know thats not going to happen.
 

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To ask a serious question amidst the Valentines jokes:

Can you be a secret heretic, or only a secret member of a main religion? Can I be a secret Cathar, or am I limited to being a secret Catholic?
 

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If you are the top-liege are you able to join a secret religion as well, or would that defeat the purpose of the secrecy? I could see it going either way, but I am curious.
 

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If you are the top-liege are you able to join a secret religion as well, or would that defeat the purpose of the secrecy? I could see it going either way, but I am curious.

I imagine being independent and surrounded by religious enemies wouldn't be such a great prospect for a lot of rulers.
 

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So as an example, because you used it in the screenshot, Judaism tends to get knocked out of the game pretty early depending on the start date (It can hold on a while in The Old Gods start but it's pretty SOL otherwise) would that make the secret society just...disappear?
 

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You can be a member of any supported secret cult as long as that religion exists within diplomatic range. I don't think any characters start out as members though.
I wonder if there are any characters that could be Secretly Shia from the start. Does Secretly Shia affect the Shia Caliphate rising in any way?

Also: I have a feeling like you're going to announce the end of CK2 tommorow :(. Remember that you promised one more big DLC.
 

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CK2 is honestly my favorite game in the world and it's definitely the best roleplaying gaming I've ever played. Sometimes I even leave observer mode on and just let the time pass to see what the world looks like after an hour. I've loved every expansion you guys have released so far and every direction this game has taken has only increased by appreciation of it. Keep up the good work.
 

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You might already know, or suspect, that most of the new Societies will be part of the paid expansion, but there is one type of Society that actually comes with the free update; Secret Religious Cults (yes, this means that the Society framework itself is also free, so that modders can go nuts even without the expansion.) These Societies consist of followers who falsely profess faith in one religion while secretly belonging to another.
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Thank you.
 

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Yes, destroy Sunna and Shia from within. :)

I am also interested if you can be secretly Cathar if Cathar becomes mainstream and replaces Catholic, and in general how this system interacts wth heresies and religious mainstream changes. And pagans.
 

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It was always Sunni in Transcaucasia.