CK2 Dev Diary#27: Continued Converter Capabilities

[Atlantians]

No, just as before they're only in converted games just as they always have been. What has changed is that religion mechanic events will now work for them (as they don't check for religions specifically but for their mechanics now).

Would it be possible to expand Nation Designer in Converted games to use these religions, and set things like 'Celestial Empire', and 'historical rivals'?

 

[Atlantians]

Generally, the idea is the following:
If you qualify for a set of special ideas, like Byzantine ideas, you will always get those. Cause those are usually fun to get.
Most EU4 ideas are no longer set to a specific tag. Instead, it will trigger according to your culture instead. So if you play as a Sunni Spain, you won't get Spanish ideas, yet if you are a big enough England with English culture, you'll get English ideas. We also disabled a set of several very specific ideas in the converter, like Burgundian ideas for example.
Everyone else will more or less get randomized ideas. The existing ideas are all weighted, so the ideas you'll get will depend on the nation itself. You won't be getting any naval ideas if you don't have any ports for example.

I hope that answers your question.

Why no Burgundian ideas when there is a Burgundy Duchy and Kingdom in CKII?

 

[TheDungen]

There is a misconception that there was an issue here, it's just that with Conclave you got more vassals by design. With the mentioned Direct Vassal Cores we thought this was no longer necessary though, so after this patch you'll get way fewer vassals than you used to. 3 at most, 0 at the least.

3 at most? 3 is nothing! At the very least (if not absolute) you should get your powerful vassals as vassals. At worst a full breakup like the HRE. This is a terrible decision!
Converting blobs intact makes converted game way less challenging and way less fun.

 

[eliaspays]

So will these new cool religion icons be used for CK2 as well? Much better than the red religious symbol for heresies. Maybe it could be a game rule?

 

[TheDungen]

I'm not sure if we covered this already, but all direct vassals will preserve their cores on conversion. They are there so that it's possible to hurt large empires more efficiently (force them to release cores, create vassals, nationalist rebels, etc). They adapt to the culture of their provinces, so that they can always spawn.

What about nomads? Will they convert to a huge monocultural monoreligious blob covering half of the largest continent on earth?
Worst decision ever! And for what because some whining people can't be assed to use the console if they want to game to be easier?

So will these new cool religion icons be used for CK2 as well? Much better than the red religious symbol for heresies. Maybe it could be a game rule?

No, again something being a heresy is important information in CK2, and also ck2 does use multicoloured relgious icons.

 

[Straigthtsilver]

Wow, and here I was thinking the first dev diary about the updated converter was more than I could have wished for. Thank you devs for this update!

Why no Burgundian ideas when there is a Burgundy Duchy and Kingdom in CKII?

I think it may have to due with the circumstances which lead to Burgundy's creation. Even in EUIV, it's more so a conglomeration of one family's holdings within both the French realm and the Low Countries.

I suppose the devs thought it would be too strange to have a Burgundy appear in a converted game with loads of ideas referencing a Netherlands it never owned, or problems with heirs that have no meaning without the Burgundian Succession events (which themselves could possibly break something).

 

[TheUnspeakable]

If it's not Catholic the HRE will spawn with the 'peace of westphalia' modifier, allowing any religion to 'belong' in the empire.

You have made my Coptic and Nestorian Emperors bery happy (Ok, and a Jainist one too...)

 

[Jia Xu]

What about nomads? Will they convert to a huge monocultural monoreligious blob covering half of the largest continent on earth?
Worst decision ever! And for what because some whining people can't be assed to use the console if they want to game to be easier?

There are lots of good ideas around, and I don't believe the developers are oblivious to that. However, there's only so much content they can add in a single update. Deadlines have to be respected. This time we're getting development looked after. Maybe next time they can do something with cultures. Improving the game always comes in increments, so just be a little patient.

 

[Urzhail64]

I'd like to see the Ruler Designer expanded to include the ability to choose a historical dynasty (both extinct and active) And the ability to mix/match faces/facial features/hairstyles from all the different portrait sets.

 

[BrokenSky]

I'm not sure if we covered this already, but all direct vassals will preserve their cores on conversion. .

fantastic. The lack of this is one of the more significant problems in Random/Custom Nations Mode [closest comparable mode to converter]. Great to see converter avoids it

 

[jebezt2]

Can we get these icons for base ck2 pretty please?
Just having a red version of religion icons sucks now that EUIV gets these fancy ones...

 

[Orctavius]

Sounds great. My current game is ripe for conversion.

 

[Straigthtsilver]

Can we get these icons for base ck2 pretty please?
Just having a red version of religion icons sucks now that EUIV gets these fancy ones...

Agreed, having these icons rather than just the generic red ones (or the ones of their parent religion after they become majority) would be wonderful.

It's possible, isn't it? I recall mods doing this with relatively little issue.

 

[TheDungen]

There are lots of good ideas around, and I don't believe the developers are oblivious to that. However, there's only so much content they can add in a single update. Deadlines have to be respected. This time we're getting development looked after. Maybe next time they can do something with cultures. Improving the game always comes in increments, so just be a little patient.

That's not what I'm talking about I want them to not change the way vassals become vassals today. I'm asking that they not change the converter for the worse. That does not take development time, that does not push the deadline. In fact if they had not been stupid enough to do it then they could have spend that time on other things.

 

[Sopbucket]

Nice, this just keeps getting better. I was a little apprehensive about embracing Waldensianism toward the end of my campaign, now I'm glad I made that decision.

 

[rageair]

3 at most? 3 is nothing! At the very least (if not absolute) you should get your powerful vassals as vassals. At worst a full breakup like the HRE.

There's no good way of giving a nation more than 3 vassals in EU4, each vassal takes up a diplomatic slot, and starting a nation off with more diplo slots than they have would just make the game boring. In any case, it's super easy to mod if you want to increase the number of vassals for your game.

What about nomads? Will they convert to a huge monocultural monoreligious blob covering half of the largest continent on earth?

Only if they're a massive monocultural/monoreligious blob in CK2. Hordes aren't as powerful in EU4 as in CK2 (especially as time passes), when we experimented with giving them lots of vassals they immediately imploded without a chance of recovery. With the added direct vassal cores they still have a fairly big chance of breaking up, though it's not as deterministic.

In any case, we had some ideas on having options to break up massive nations/cultures/etc, but we're saving that for the future.

 

[Atlantians]

There's no good way of giving a nation more than 3 vassals in EU4, each vassal takes up a diplomatic slot, and starting a nation off with more diplo slots than they have would just make the game boring. In any case, it's super easy to mod if you want to increase the number of vassals for your game.


Only if they're a massive monocultural/monoreligious blob in CK2. Hordes aren't as powerful in EU4 as in CK2 (especially as time passes), when we experimented with giving them lots of vassals they immediately imploded without a chance of recovery. With the added direct vassal cores they still have a fairly big chance of breaking up, though it's not as deterministic.

In any case, we had some ideas on having options to break up massive nations/cultures/etc, but we're saving that for the future.

On the issue of giant mono-religious mono-cultural blobs, my current 2.4.5 Roman Empire game has a Greek Roman Empire and has its capital in Constantinople as the 'new Rome'.

It is there for all sorts of flavor, strategic, tactical, and economic reasons.

In the opening post, you stated that Rome will be the Capital of a Converted Rome.

Is that definitive? Will I have to edit the converted game in order to relocate my capital from Roma and back to Constaninople where it belongs?

 

[Atlantians]

That's not what I'm talking about I want them to not change the way vassals become vassals today. I'm asking that they not change the converter for the worse. That does not take development time, that does not push the deadline. In fact if they had not been stupid enough to do it then they could have spend that time on other things.

How about you not insult the Devs, K?

Disrespectful posts like yours do not add to the conversation.

Moreover they explained their reasoning and explained how you can adjust it to your taste.

 

[christopher0936]

Rome now becomes the capital when converting the Roman Empire

Why this? I usually leave the capital in Constantinople in my Rome runs

 

[Atlantians]

Why this? I usually leave the capital in Constantinople in my Rome runs

Great minds think alike, @Darkrenown!