CK2 Dev Diary#27: Continued Converter Capabilities

[Tufto]

Fixed some errors in coverter province table.

Hooray! That's all I really wanted; the massive improvements are just the icing on the cake .

I had a bad conversion recently which annoyed me (I lost the CK2-save, so could not report, sadly), but hopefully I won't run into such problems again .

 

[Tufto]

Which one of those religions is Hurufi, btw? .

 

[satyrlord]

Wonderful icons!

 

[Darkrenown]

Now I'm really worried >_< I just remembered how there's a generic idea set or something and how you guys said almost no nations don't have generic ideas anymore D:

I just don't know personally, I was making immortal events while everyone else worked on converter stuff. About all I made was High American units

 

[Shock360]

I just don't know personally, I was making immortal events while everyone else worked on converter stuff. About all I made was High American units

Thanks for summoning the right Demi-God to answer the question! The thing I'm confused about is that in the first diary it said generated but here it's saying that tribals won't just get generic national ideas(sounding like all of them have the set listed)

 

[King Anund]

Why don¡t we have also those religion icons in CK2, now that they exist, instead of the red parent religion icon for heresies. That would make them kind of unique.

 

[Shock360]

Why don¡t we have also those religion icons in CK2, now that they exist, instead of the red parent religion icon for heresies. That would make them kind of unique.

Some own already said its because the fact that they are heresies is much more important in ck2 and needs to be made obvious

 

[Ferrero]

Sorry if I ask again: will we still get a roughly 50% chance of queens with converted games, regardless of the succession laws?

 

[Servancour]

Could you clarify what the idea of unique or non-generic ideas will be? For some reason I'm thinking every nation gets its own idea set generated but it keeps looking like I may be wrong. I am super excited to try this out if is the case but I'm really worriedly are not the case

Generally, the idea is the following:
If you qualify for a set of special ideas, like Byzantine ideas, you will always get those. Cause those are usually fun to get.
Most EU4 ideas are no longer set to a specific tag. Instead, it will trigger according to your culture instead. So if you play as a Sunni Spain, you won't get Spanish ideas, yet if you are a big enough England with English culture, you'll get English ideas. We also disabled a set of several very specific ideas in the converter, like Burgundian ideas for example.
Everyone else will more or less get randomized ideas. The existing ideas are all weighted, so the ideas you'll get will depend on the nation itself. You won't be getting any naval ideas if you don't have any ports for example.

I hope that answers your question.

 

[rageair]

Zunism is already a religion in EU4 (for converted saves) but use the Inti symbol (the smiling sun) in my memory. Though it's not an heresy, perhaps Paradox add an unique symbol for them.

We did, the sun symbol represents Reformed Zunism.

It's been mentioned a few times already, but what about culture splitting like with German and Italian cultures?

We didn't do anything for this update regarding this specific issue, as it's very subjective and not very straightforward. Ideally we want to make a system that dynamically breaks up monolithic cultures in a way that makes sense for your game, and not break it up 'just because'. This is something we might look into in the future.

Could you clarify what the idea of unique or non-generic ideas will be? For some reason I'm thinking every nation gets its own idea set generated but it keeps looking like I may be wrong. I am super excited to try this out if is the case but I'm really worriedly are not the case

Most nations will get generated ideas, though it's still possible to get powerful idea sets (like French) if you fulfill some rather high requirements. If a nation is listed as having 'National Ideas' when you're picking a nation, new ones will be generated as you enter the game (the ideas need to check your gamestate before they can be generated).

 

[TheUnspeakable]

I see that the HRE gets the ruler's religion. Does this religion have to be Christian? And can the HRE spawn with land outside Europe?

Thank you, Groogy! May the Coptoman Empire of Rum regin forever! Praise the Osmanaglus!

 

[IFWanderer]

Would you mind clearly listing what symbol belongs to each religion?

 

[Sunspawn]

In the case of a large, united Mongol Empire, can some of the CK2 non-nomad (and maybe even nomad) vassals be converted as dormant tags waiting to be released? Because a monster ME would be nigh-impossible to stop in EU4 with all of the development it will have even without moving beyond historical pre-split borders.

 

[giant_sloth]

Will defensive pagans be getting personal deities in EU4 as well?

 

[Nyrael]

It would be neat if some heresies were more likely to convert to protestantism/reform. I think a group like the Lolldards, for example, would take a look at protestantism and get on board with that, ASAP. It would be a little weird for them to look at each other the same way that they look at Catholics. At the very least, I hope they can use the decision to convert to protestantism or reform, even though they're not Catholics.

Lollards and Waldensians would not want to convert to Protestantism if they don+t get defeated by the Catholics though. Instead, they should get their own Centers of Reformation when the Reformation starts, converting Catholic provinces to their religion (while Protestants and Reformed lose a CoR).

 

[Metz]

Would you separate the Norse from Germanic religions so that it is easier to reform for the Saxons and other north German peoples? It's kind of strange having needing to expand deep into Scandinavia to be able to reform. Being close to the Franks, the Saxons should be able to learn how to organize their religion quicker and should do so by having provinces nearby. This way Norse can reform using Scandinavian only provinces as well without expanding into the rest of the continent.

 

[TheDungen]

Zunism is already a religion in EU4 (for converted saves) but use the Inti symbol (the smiling sun) in my memory. Though it's not an heresy, perhaps Paradox add an unique symbol for them.

Ok yeah then that makes sense but unless I am mistaken that means we are one symbol short to represent the heresies.

It's been mentioned a few times already, but what about culture splitting like with German and Italian cultures?

You mean them having split culture in ck2 or that the converter converts them to the appropriate cultures in EU4? Well either way I'm in board.

Why don¡t we have also those religion icons in CK2, now that they exist, instead of the red parent religion icon for heresies. That would make them kind of unique.

Because knowing what is a heresy of what is important information in ck2, and also CK2 don't have religious icons in full colour.

In the case of a large, united Mongol Empire, can some of the CK2 non-nomad (and maybe even nomad) vassals be converted as dormant tags waiting to be released? Because a monster ME would be nigh-impossible to stop in EU4 with all of the development it will have even without moving beyond historical pre-split borders.

This very much this, Nomad hordes should be broken up into their clans and they and any feudal vassals should become EU4 vassals of the Khagan.

Also if you hold two titles of your primary titles tier (regardless of who you are) it should convert as a personal union. For anyone their powerful vassals should always convert as vassals.
These massive monolithic blocks just make the converted game less enjoyable. I pretty much only play converted games in the HRE as a result.

Oh and if you ever do a eu4 to vic3 converted this is something to remember again, breaking the blobs up a bit is a good thing for making a converted game actually intresting.

Lollards and Waldensians would not want to convert to Protestantism if they don+t get defeated by the Catholics though. Instead, they should get their own Centers of Reformation when the Reformation starts, converting Catholic provinces to their religion (while Protestants and Reformed lose a CoR).

I disagree, these were pretty much the forerunners of the reformation, yes the reformation would have been a bit different if they had survived but still they would have worked together when the time came. Most other surviving catholic heresies should probably convert to reformed when that spawns. All "catholic" religions in ck2 that were heresies at conversion should flip either protestant or reformed when those show up an become centres of reformation. While the one that was not a heresy (usually Catholicism) should be the stand in for Catholicism.
Oh and if the schism has been healed the dominant orthodox should be able to get the reformation isntead and all it's heresies join protestant or reformed.

Would you separate the Norse from Germanic religions so that it is easier to reform for the Saxons and other north German peoples? It's kind of strange having needing to expand deep into Scandinavia to be able to reform. Being close to the Franks, the Saxons should be able to learn how to organize their religion quicker and should do so by having provinces nearby. This way Norse can reform using Scandinavian only provinces as well without expanding into the rest of the continent.

No just no, the idea that you need holy sites to reform the faith is what's wrong and creating a divide that is ahistorical does not make things better, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[NecroGangster]

Will those very good looking religious icons be applied to their respective heresies ingame or just for the converter?

 

[Shock360]

Do you guys mind if I make some suggestions/ask some questions?

Generally, the idea is the following:
If you qualify for a set of special ideas, like Byzantine ideas, you will always get those. Cause those are usually fun to get.
Most EU4 ideas are no longer set to a specific tag. Instead, it will trigger according to your culture instead. So if you play as a Sunni Spain, you won't get Spanish ideas, yet if you are a big enough England with English culture, you'll get English ideas. We also disabled a set of several very specific ideas in the converter, like Burgundian ideas for example.
Everyone else will more or less get randomized ideas. The existing ideas are all weighted, so the ideas you'll get will depend on the nation itself. You won't be getting any naval ideas if you don't have any ports for example.

I hope that answers your question.

Do you mean that if for example you are christian and you own spain you will get spanish ideas, but if you are muslim and own spain you won't/if you are spain and don't own spain you won't get their ideas? Will their either be an option to make it so that no one gets already created ideas? And will I be able to adjust the weights heavily(so instead of being semi-random, it uses your location religion culture and government to determine what ideas are possible)? And is their weighting for other ideas(so let's say it gives you a naval idea. You are now more likely to get another naval(including colonial and trade) idea, then if you get it even more likely, and so on so forth(what would be even better is if categories made each other more likely(so if you had a naval combat idea it would boost the chances of naval combat, trade, and colonial ideas) but also making the specific idea type more likely(so while it would boost naval combat, colonial, and trade it would boost combat the most)

We did, the sun symbol represents Reformed Zunism.


We didn't do anything for this update regarding this specific issue, as it's very subjective and not very straightforward. Ideally we want to make a system that dynamically breaks up monolithic cultures in a way that makes sense for your game, and not break it up 'just because'. This is something we might look into in the future.


Most nations will get generated ideas, though it's still possible to get powerful idea sets (like French) if you fulfill some rather high requirements. If a nation is listed as having 'National Ideas' when you're picking a nation, new ones will be generated as you enter the game (the ideas need to check your gamestate before they can be generated).

Can you edit how they work?

 

[loup99]

Good to read about all these additions to the converter and hear that 2.6.2 is released tomorrow!