CK2 Dev Diary#26: Considerable Converter Capabilities

[Moah]

What would happen if i had in kiev 5 maxed out towns a maxed out castle and church, with prosperity 3? what's the development floor?

I think it is all relative. The best provinces in CKII will become the level of the best provinces in EUIV, and the worst become the worst.

This is exactly it. We sort all EU4 provinces by their development, then sort all CK2 provinces by their pseudo-development (the mentioned value), and we give each CK2 province the develoment of the province of the same rank in EU4.
So if say Kernev was a megalopolis with all 7 settlements filled to brink, plus an hospital also filled to the brink, a trade post and prosperity 3, Kernev in EU4 would receive the development of Constantinople (or Paris).
This way the map stays balanced, but the most developed area of CK2 are also the most developed areas of the converted game.

How much can the converter be modded? And can we mod EU4 to fit new personality traits?

(I've never been a modder... ...but... ...way of life dlc... ...reaper dlc... even short of immortals, evil thoughts abound...)

A lot of the converter can be modded, it is one of the way we encourage people to improve the conversion to fit more with their vision of what it should be.
To answer the specific question, the personality trait conversion can be modded to add more or remove those you don't like.

Speaking of 2.6.2 have you then solved the speed problem? And if not will you then allow people to stay on 2.6.1 if they prefer having speed?

We have found the issue, and a branch should be available.

 

[steveh11]

Now if we could just get an official EU4-V2 converter, I'll be happy (not knocking the mod, I'd just like an official one).

You obviously lack the 'Ambition' trait. I'm waiting for the EU4->V3 converter...

 

[Shock360]

This is exactly it. We sort all EU4 provinces by their development, then sort all CK2 provinces by their pseudo-development (the mentioned value), and we give each CK2 province the develoment of the province of the same rank in EU4.
So if say Kernev was a megalopolis with all 7 settlements filled to brink, plus an hospital also filled to the brink, a trade post and prosperity 3, Kernev in EU4 would receive the development of Constantinople (or Paris).
This way the map stays balanced, but the most developed area of CK2 are also the most developed areas of the converted game.


A lot of the converter can be modded, it is one of the way we encourage people to improve the conversion to fit more with their vision of what it should be.
To answer the specific question, the personality trait conversion can be modded to add more or remove those you don't like.


We have found the issue, and a branch should be available.

I absolutely can't wait for this, and hope you'd be willing to answer a question. If you convert the same save multiple times, wil the ideas be the same each time? And what factors into the ideas: a combination of culture, religion, and land owned?

 

[IFWanderer]

@Moah So, if you don't have Reaper's Due, (or any future DLC that adds extra province stuff), what happens? will your provinces be poorer on average or will you have different values for that?

 

[Moah]

@Moah So, if you don't have Reaper's Due, (or any future DLC that adds extra province stuff), what happens? will your provinces be poorer on average or will you have different values for that?

if you don't have RIP, the "ck2 dev" is lower than if you had rip, but it doesn't matter because the most "developed" province from ck2 will still get the development values from the most developed province from eu4 (ie your highest ck2 province has a value of 17 instead of 21 let's say, it still gets constantinople's development).
The "ck2 dev" only matters in relation to other ck2 provinces, and only for sorting provinces from richest to poorest.

 

[IFWanderer]

I get it now. Thanks for answering.

 

[rageair]

I don't understand, so if Portugal doesn't exist another nation will try to become the 'early game colonizer', but Korea isn't even affected by the conversion, and not at all suited for colonizing northwest Africa or Brazil, so how does this work?

It's highly dependent on where the renaissance spawns - if it spawns in Asia then an Asian country till assume the role of Portugal (unless you as the player does it first), European nations suitable for colonization will colonize too, of course. In my test game Korea reached America by going Taiwan -> Micronesian islands -> Hawaii -> California, an alternate and fairly exciting route. I also had a game where a converted India went Ceylon -> Andamans -> Philippines -> Micronesian Islands -> Hawaii -> California and a game where the united Japan went directly for Alaska -> California!

Great stuff, time to finnish my current CK2 game in time for the Rights of Man release, just two things:

• No naval ideas for nations with one port excludes one province minors, right? Else it wouldn't make sense for a Socotra or Gotland that is independent at the time of conversion.
• Will the Sunset Invasion setup work with a EU4 Random New World, I don't recall if it currently does but I think I remember it doesn't.

Merchant republics and OPM's with a port will probably be weighted up for naval ideas, it's all fully scriptable and moddable too.
The Sunset Invasion setup doesn't support RNW.

Can we count on improvements for converted heresy? Eg. Karma system for the Cathars or Fervor system for Iconoclasm in EU4?

All religions should have something exciting, most of them make use of Fervor or Aspects though.

This kind of worries me, actually. Usually, I find in my CKII games that most provinces everywhere get developed about the same amount. Perhaps the player's area is more developed, perhaps certain AI areas are underdeveloped due to frequent changing of hands. But I worry that all converted games are going to look the same, and, unlike the current system that uses vanilla EUIV development, the converted developmen will just be evenly spread everywhere, with no especially rich or poor areas.

The only consistently different area compared with the default 1444 setup is Arabia. It's generally more developed, as it's much more unlikely for them to get absolutely stomped by Mongols in CK2 than happened historically. In general Scandinavia and Russia are very poor, without player involvement. The setup varies a lot between game to game though, I just finished a game where I got Kola to get Paris's development and Finnmark to get London's! Getting high EU4 development is a really fun sub-goal to aim for in your CK2 games.

How much can the converter be modded? And can we mod EU4 to fit new personality traits?

(I've never been a modder... ...but... ...way of life dlc... ...reaper dlc... even short of immortals, evil thoughts abound...)

You can mod a lot of it! I would even dare say most of it.

 

[neusaap]

It's highly dependent on where the renaissance spawns - if it spawns in Asia then an Asian country till assume the role of Portugal (unless you as the player does it first), European nations suitable for colonization will colonize too, of course. In my test game Korea reached America by going Taiwan -> Micronesian islands -> Hawaii -> California, an alternate and fairly exciting route. I also had a game where a converted India went Ceylon -> Andamans -> Philippines -> Micronesian Islands -> Hawaii -> California and a game where the united Japan went directly for Alaska -> California!

Ok, that's rather cool. However would it be possible to force the 'Portugal' to appear in Europe for when one doesn't want a too funky game, apart from portugaling yourself.
And if Portugal does exist (be it in the form of a Muslim Sultanate), are they certain to take the Portugal role?

 

[BrokenSky]

This is exactly it. We sort all EU4 provinces by their development, then sort all CK2 provinces by their pseudo-development (the mentioned value), and we give each CK2 province the develoment of the province of the same rank in EU4.
So if say Kernev was a megalopolis with all 7 settlements filled to brink, plus an hospital also filled to the brink, a trade post and prosperity 3, Kernev in EU4 would receive the development of Constantinople (or Paris).
This way the map stays balanced, but the most developed area of CK2 are also the most developed areas of the converted game.

Does this account for things like having been recently raided lowering both the taxes of holdng and the general prosperity? (Are we going to see a thing where provinces which were recently raided before conversion get lower development than they should have, for example?)

Edit: also what about cultures? Does the converter break up cultures like French and German now?

 

[chrnno]

We have found the issue, and a branch should be available.

If it isn't a bother can you say what was the issue? Curious about what was making such a huge difference.

 

[rageair]

Ok, that's rather cool. However would it be possible to force the 'Portugal' to appear in Europe for when one doesn't want a too funky game, apart from portugaling yourself.
And if Portugal does exist (be it in the form of a Muslim Sultanate), are they certain to take the Portugal role?

We want converted games to be more open and 'fair', so there's no way to force it. You can easily mod it though.
They will pick early Exploration ideas, so unless they're crushed by war they should explore & colonize early on.

 

[Snorlaxatives_]

This wouldn't include "Immortal" would it?

Just picture it.... a 6/6/6 from 1444 to 1821.....

 

[Snorlaxatives_]

Thank you so much for these improvements! Have you done anything about some nation conversion oddities such as CK Norway not converting to EU4 Norway?

And I also have a few extra suggestions. Would it be possible to make some EU4 tags fordable such as England for Anglo-Saxons if England does not exist? Also, would it be possible for Muslim and Hindu nations to convert their CK2 CoA to be their EU4 flag rather then the title's christian flag?

I believe you CAN form England in a converter game as Anglo-Saxon, though I might be mistaken.

 

[Kapitalisti]

Just picture it.... a 6/6/6 from 1444 to 1821.....

How bout a nice 0/0/0 instead?

 

[neusaap]

We want converted games to be more open and 'fair', so there's no way to force it.

But Asia is (except for India and the middle east) not converted along, which is why I asked as it makes no sense that Ryukyu becomes a worldly colonizer because Portugal doesn't exist half a world ago :/
Guess I'll mod it though...

 

[Xinkc]

So if say Kernev was a megalopolis with all 7 settlements filled to brink, plus an hospital also filled to the brink, a trade post and prosperity 3, Kernev in EU4 would receive the development of Constantinople (or Paris).

The Constantinople reference has me a little nervous as it doesn't start with fantastic development like Paris, London, Beijing (if I recall correctly), Milan, or Rome unless the Ottomans or Byzantium take their special decisions.

 

[Not A True God]

Woo hoo! The converter is the best!

 

[Ulfing]

Paris, London, Beijing (if I recall correctly), Milan, or Rome

Beijing: 33
Paris: 32
Milan: 30
Rome: 28
Constantinople: 23
London: 22

Moah probably meant post-event Constantinople.

 

[Moah]

The Constantinople reference has me a little nervous as it doesn't start with fantastic development like Paris, London, Beijing (if I recall correctly), Milan, or Rome unless the Ottomans or Byzantium take their special decisions.

That's what I get for having been a CK2 exclusive for so long: i keep thinking in those terms. Thankfully the code doesn't look at the values I think province have, but what they actually have, so it should be all right.
Just a note: Beijing should not be in the running, since we're only redistributing the provinces that have a CK2 equivalent.

 

[Ulfing]

Just a note: Beijing should not be in the running, since we're only redistributing the provinces that have a CK2 equivalent.

Good to know. I think there are one or two provinces in Indonesia with higher development than London!