CK2 Dev Diary #17: Crusader Cats

[Kapitalisti]

That's what you have servants for. You really think a king would personally clean up after his pet cat or dog?

The kings cat s*its, the steward scoops.

 

[Czert]

well i have wo for long time, but never got dog, mayby because i didnt taken hunting focus, i thought that having rich empire and heirs was more important.
so can we have easier wa to addopt dogs, cats and other animals ?
and have cat-dogs wars at court ?
it just intereing event poped to my head - your courtier have beloved mouse/rat at she is eaten by visitiong person cat which is then hunted by rulers dog. how to deal with that situation ?

 

[Rationalsanity]

Except that's once you become "crazy cat lady/lord" and not just because you have a cat. Riffing on the modern term of a "crazy cat lady" hermit that is unsociable and disliked, not because it was taboo in medieval Catholicism.... Oh.

Hopefully the event chain does account or this and isn't just some satirical, meme event.

It wasn't a taboo, the Church had no policy on cats at the time. But a theme of this DLC is that peasants are stupid and want scapegoats when times are bad.

 

[Jorlem]

well i have wo for long time, but never got dog, mayby because i didnt taken hunting focus, i thought that having rich empire and heirs was more important.

Nope. The dog is more important. Once you get the dog, then you swap to a different focus, as the dog by itself, on average, boosts your health by 20%.

 

[Czert]

When do we get 'support cat companies' for HOI4?

maybe even medals for cats. Just as medals given to message birds in ww1

actualy there were given medals to animals in wwii, to varous dogs, birds and cats. i think they were called dicken medals, and there was one dog , i think it was german shepard, which recived high class medal, he served at raf iirc, but cant recall more details, will love if someone will find out more.

 

[Darkrenown]

Animal based DDs are the best DDs
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...ary-3-bringing-wwii-to-the-mainstream.766767/

 

[RedBishop]

Im upset because they add such insignificant things like cats to a character-based grand strategy game.

Pets are a big part of regular life, therefore I don't consider insignificant for a "character-based" game

 

[Rubidium]

Or, to quote oral tradition:
"Ring around the rosie,
"A pocket full of posies,
"A-choo! A-choo! We ALL! FALL! DOWN!"

i.e. people were sneezing: pneumonic plague.

Note that the explanation that this rhyme has anything to do with the Plague is now generally rejected; it doesn't appear until long after the Plague was more or less eradicated from England, and more broadly, the "every folksong must have a deep meaning" genre of analysis is no longer popular with scholars.

 

[Steelhammer88]

Pets are a big part of regular life, therefore I don't consider insignificant for a "character-based" game

Tell me about the significance of cats in a grand strategy game.

 

[theKing1988]

Is this a joke ? Cats ? Some new disease/age-related traits would be nice like Dementia( - learning, dlip. ), Osteoarthritis( - martial ) or something like that. But nope, f####### cats -_-

There is plenty of diseases coming. They even dedicated an entire DD to it. They will obviously be diseases with a distinct medieval spin and not a modern, seeing as people from the middle ages would have had no concept whatsoever of what Dementia or Osteoarthritis even is, so it would be pointless to add them

 

[riadach]

This is CK2. The personal is political.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

Tell me about the significance of cats in a grand strategy game.

Out of sheer curiosity - do you consider the addition of hunting dogs in the Hunting focus pointless as well? And the falconry trait? Poet? And most importantly: are all those elements somehow detracting from the "grand strategy nature" of the game to the point of them not to be included in the first place, according to your sensibilities?

 

[Steelhammer88]

There is plenty of diseases coming. They even dedicated an entire DD to it. They will obviously be diseases with a distinct medieval spin and not a modern, seeing as people from the middle ages would have had no concept whatsoever of what Dementia or Osteoarthritis even is, so it would be pointless to add them

No concept ? Nope.

Spoiler

Dementia is an ancient term which has been in use since at least the time of Lucretius in 50 B.C.E.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_praecox

Osteoarthritis existed in the Middle Ages, but severe cases must have been rare

http://www.arthrolink.com/en/osteoarthritis-folders/all-folders/osteoarthritis-and-history-ep-3

Out of sheer curiosity - do you consider the addition of hunting dogs in the Hunting focus pointless as well? And the falconry trait? Poet? And most importantly: are all those elements somehow detracting from the "grand strategy nature" of the game to the point of them not to be included in the first place, according to your sensibilities?

In my opinion they should not focus so much on the rpg element and actually care a little bit more about the political/strategic part of the game. This game has for example no naval warfare, Byzantine imperial administration is a joke, decadence system is broken and there are many more issues/problems. Im kinda upset that they invest sooo much time in nonsense like "crusader cat/dogs".

 

[theKing1988]

Yes, Ostearthritis existed. That's not the same as people in the Middle Ages had any idea what it was. Learn to read the distinction. Your link deals almost entirely with a look back at the history of the disease, not with the Medieval conception of said disease in a present tense

Fair enough, i can concede i was wrong about Dementia

My main point still stands though. They are adding a whole slew of diseases, they are the most prolific ones and not rather fringe diseases, so they are not ignoring diseases in favour of adding flavour for cats

 

[_Perun_]

i didnt taken hunting focus, i thought that having rich empire and heirs was more important.

Hunting focus is for characters with stressed/depressed traits, so preferably you could take it when your ruler is 50+ to eliminate the traits and to prolong his life a little bit.

 

[richvh]

No concept ? Nope. It is just my opinion but its weird that my 50 years old character can beat a young 20 years old "competent" fighter in a duel. Doesnt make sense, or ?

Spoiler

Dementia is an ancient term which has been in use since at least the time of Lucretius in 50 B.C.E.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_praecox

Osteoarthritis existed in the Middle Ages, but severe cases must have been rare

http://www.arthrolink.com/en/osteoarthritis-folders/all-folders/osteoarthritis-and-history-ep-3

In my opinion they should not focus so much on the rpg element and actually care a little bit more about the political/strategic part of the game. This game has for example no naval warfare, Byzantine imperial administration is a joke, decadence system is broken and there are many more issues/problems. Im kinda upset that they invest sooo much time on nonsense like "crusader cat/dogs".

I've always considered the Infirm trait as covering senile dementia.

 

[VoodooEconomist]

In my opinion they should not focus so much on the rpg element and actually care a little bit more about the political/strategic part of the game. This game has for example no naval warfare, Byzantine imperial administration is a joke, decadence system is broken and there are many more issues/problems. Im kinda upset that they invest sooo much time on nonsense like "crusader cat/dogs".

Of course, it's a strategy game with RPG-elements, not the other way around!

Which is precisely why major DLCs add new and important strategy/gameplay mechanics, along with the free patches. Honestly, I think most of the strategic core of the game was updated via patches, wasn't it? But this is a minor DLC, and has always been promoted as such.

Minor DLCs such as Sons of Abraham or Way of Life have always been more focused on adding new RP-elements and event chains, since they are easier to create and properly test than large-scale core mechanics changes. And still they feature one or two new mechanics which change the game significantly, so you don't buy just event-packs - Legacy of Rome is a prime example, by adding retinues. And the Reaper will have those as well - the way Plagues are reworked, and the prosperity mechanics will be hugely important strategically from what I can see.

I join you in your hope that the next DLC will feature more core-game improvements. It was announced to be a big one, so it's fair to expect those. From a minor DLC not so much.

 

[mrstevehazzard]

I'm amazed at how defensive and angry people are getting about one designer's admitted personal pet project.

 

[theKing1988]

I've always considered the Infirm trait as covering senile dementia.

But perhaps the rate of elderly characters getting the infirm trait should be raised a bit?

 

[Warspock]

It wasn't a taboo, the Church had no policy on cats at the time. But a theme of this DLC is that peasants are stupid and want scapegoats when times are bad.

Yes, it was taboo for many Catholics. As I've already pointed out.

Disagreeing isn't going to change the facts, sorry kids.