CK2: Dev Diary #117 - Historical Wonders

[Patriarch of Bub]

Can't wait for this update!
If you don't plan on making a city background, maybe increasing the Great Work image size so it hides the background? Because right now the Apostolic Palace looks like a building placed in an empty editor map..
The House of Wisdom also really looks like the Library of Parliament here in Canada, but aside from that everything looks great!
(Also, I still hope Mont Saint-Michel will be there from the Old Gods start!)

Library of Parliament? Will you look at that. What a beautiful building.
Though weird choice to say the least to include it in ck2.

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

Is this the full list of historical wonders? Do any more exist in later dates? I guess it just seems a little short to me. I'd love to see something in Mecca or some of the famous Indian Universities be represented as Wonders as well.

First post says they selected a few to show us, but there are probably many more.

 

[Patriarch of Bub]

A game rule for the wonders?
Pft, i'll have mine set to unlimited

 

[theKing1988]

Long gone wonders from Antiquity, but no Hagia Sophia, the Hippodrome of Constantinople, Great Mosques of Damascus or Cordoba, Masjid al-Haram of Mecca to name a few. *Sigh* Why all the anachronisms?

 

[Federalist girl]

Long gone wonders from Antiquity, but no Hagia Sophia, the Hippodrome of Constantinople, Great Mosques of Damascus or Cordoba, Masjid al-Haram of Mecca to name a few. *Sigh* Why all the anachronisms?

Which of the posted wonders were long gone in the Middle Ages? Certainly not the pyramids, Great Lighthouse, and the Mausoleum base. Nor the entrance to Petra.

 

[PabloSugo1991]

Converting a Great Work from one type to another was a stretch goal we had for this update that unfortunately did not make it in.

Add it in a future update then, reeee

 

[theKing1988]

Which of the posted wonders were long gone in the Middle Ages? Certainly not the pyramids, Great Lighthouse, and the Mausoleum base. Nor the entrance to Petra.

Poor phrasing, i apologize. Should have used ruined or disused. But i'm looking at Petra, Stonehenge and the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus obviously, Which is 3 out of 7. All 3 are utterly irrelevant for the time period and could easily be replaced if paradox desired to do so

 

[MonzUn]

Shame. Is it likely to be included in a future patch?

It's one of the thing I would personally like to do, but I'm not up to date on what the future holds for us at the moment so I can't answer that I'm afraid.

 

[Barón Rojo]

Looking at Wikipedia (I know) says that the Konark Sun Temple was build in middle XIII century. It does not existed in 769.

 

[Federalist girl]

Poor phrasing, i apologize. Should have used ruined or disused. But i'm looking at Petra, Stonehenge and the Mausoleum of Halicarnassus obviously, Which is 3 out of 7. All 3 are utterly irrelevant for the time period and could easily be replaced if paradox desired to do so

Ah got it. Yes, fair enough — those three are definitely in a ruined / disused state in that time period, and seemingly in the posted art as well.

 

[MonzUn]

@MonzUn

Thanks for the replies, especially since you made them during your Friday evening, after hours. You've at the very least allayed my fears about Stonehenge

Interacting with you guys and seeing what you think about what we're doing and how passionate you are about the game is a huge motivator and energy boost for me. I always look forward to our dev diaries

Good that I could alleviate your fears. I still won't go near it. There's something I don't trust about rocks catching fire!

 

[Lord Decobius]

This is speculation, but I think the reason the Hagia Sophia isn't there is because Paradox wanted us to be able to build any one of the wonders located in Constantinople. Hagia Sophia is included on the list of available Great Works to build, but simply isn't present at the start. Something like that.

If that is not the case, then I will be selling torches and pitchforks for the riot at a discount because I fully support the uprising and not at all because I'm a greedy bastard. Care to take a look at my wares? I have nice, big stakes for you impalers out there...

 

[Caspian Mortis]

"Pyramids of Khufu"

*angry Kemetic noise*

There's only ONE pyramid of Khufu.
It's either Pyramids of Giza, the Great Pyramid or THE Pyramid of Khufu not "Pyramids of Khufu".

Also, the Pyramids were no longer covered in white limestone by the start of the game, it would have long been gone due to theft, use for other construction projects or decay.

 

[WilliamTheIII]

Do modifiers like +30% global trade power stack? If so this could become fairly op if you build a lot of them.

 

[Karlingid]

Eustathius of Thessalonica would disagree with you there

Reminder again that the Mausoleum was quite possibly still intact for most of the game's timeframe.

great cities like Venice with its canals

Couldn't find a proper high-resolution base to work with but:

Spoiler: zoomed

 

[Xoatl]

Do modifiers like +30% global trade power stack? If so this could become fairly op if you build a lot of them.

I imagine you're limited to one type of wonder per country. At least on ironman mode.

 

[SigurdStormhand]

Hello, builders, architects and peasants.


Today we will be telling you about the Historical Great Works that already exist in game. Of course there are so many Great Works that it would have been hard to fit them all in so we have chosen just a select few.


We also decided not to place a Great Work in Constantinople. The walls are already represented in game, and this will give the player a chance to build their own Great Work there. Also adding historical Great Works is rather easy via modding so you can set up the exact type of Great Work you want!


So without further ado I present the historical Great Works present at the 769 game start:

Pyramids of Khufu

Stonehenge

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Lighthouse of Alexandria

Konark Sun Temple

Apostolic Palace

House of Wisdom

Petra

Great Works in EU4
The thousands of ducats that the rulers invest in the foundations of the Great Works are investments that will have effects for ages. To make sure this characterizes your realm even more, we’ve made sure to transfer these feats when we’re converting save games from CK2 to EU4.


The rule is that every Great Work that has completed its final stage will be represented by a permanent province modifier in a converted EU4 game. By default we also ignore any historical Great Works that were present at the start of the campaign of CK2 but that rule is easily changed by modifying a value in the defines file before converting.


Different types of province modifier will apply depending on the type of Great Work it originated from. The following list will define the effects of the fully completed Great Works in converted EU4 games:


Cathedrals
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Papal Influence +1

Grand Mosque
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Monthly Piety +0.01
Missionaries +1

Synagogue
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Legitimacy +1

Great Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Religious Unity +15%

Great Buddhist Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Tolerance of Heathens +1

Great Hindu Temple
Local Tax Modifier +100%
Tolerance of Heathens +1

Ruler Statue
Legitimacy +0.5
Max Absolutism +10

Grand Fortress
Local Defensiveness +100%
Local Manpower Modifier +100%
Army Tradition +0.5

Great Underground City
Local Defensiveness +50%
Local Development Cost -15%
Local Hostile Attrition +2%
Local Core Creation Cost +100%

Great Walls
Local Trade Power +50%
Local Hostile Attrition +2%
Local Defensiveness +50%
Caravan Power +20%

Great Harbor
Local Trade Power +50%
Local Sailors +100%
Naval Force Limit Modifier +15%

Great Lighthouse
Local Trade Power +50%
Global Ship Trade Power +30%
Trade Range Modifier +25%

Grand Amphitheater
Global Unrest -1
War Exhaustion Cost -20%
General Cost -10%

Royal Palace
Max States +5
Monthly Splendor +1

Magnificent Garden
Diplomats +1
Global Spy Offence +40%
Global Spy Defence -20% (sic)

Grand University
Local Development Cost -10%
Advisor Pool +1
Global Institution Spread +15%

Great Library
Local Development Cost -10%
Advisor Cost -15%
Diplomats +1

Grand Mausoleum
Legitimacy +1
Diplomatic Reputation +2
Fabricate Claims Cost -20%

Great Pyramid
Legitimacy +1
Stability Cost Modifier -10%

Great Stone Circle
Number of Accepted Cultures +1
Idea Cost -10%


That's all for today! But if you want to check out what this looks like in-game, please tune into our first ever 3.1 Great Works stream today (Friday the 22nd) at 14:00CET on twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive where we’ll be playing on the hottest of code.

If you can’t catch the livestream, we’ll be uploading it to our YouTube channel soon, and it is also always available in the Twitch VOD archive.

No Hagia Sophia? Or Great University of Constantinople?

That actually raises a question about how to represent the Great Cities. Rome, Constantinople, Baghdad... they all had what would be considered multiple "Wonders" in the game. Maybe the actual city needs to be a wonder in some cases?

 

[MonzUn]

"Pyramids of Khufu"

*angry Kemetic noise*

There's only ONE pyramid of Khufu.
It's either Pyramids of Giza, the Great Pyramid or THE Pyramid of Khufu not "Pyramids of Khufu".

Also, the Pyramids were no longer covered in white limestone by the start of the game, it would have long been gone due to theft, use for other construction projects or decay.

Yeah, I've made a note about fixing that. We first had it has "Pyramids of Giza", but that didn't make sense as the Great Work should be ONE pyramid, so then we chose one and probably only updated the last part of the name.

 

[Karlingid]

Yeah, I've made a note about fixing that. We first had it has "Pyramids of Giza", but that didn't make sense as the Great Work should be ONE pyramid, so then we chose one and probably only updated the last part of the name.

Shushushush it's okay, just call it the Hagia Sophia and kill two birds in the bush

 

[yc0]

Looking at Wikipedia (I know) says that the Konark Sun Temple was build in middle XIII century. It does not existed in 769.

I looked at Wikipedia too and it says there’s some evidence it may have been built in the 9th century or maybe even earlier