CK2: Dev Diary #117 - Historical Wonders

[nestorius]

The stonehenge drawing could do with a bit of work

 

[Rhipeen]

same echo there was, and same echo is repeated "Hagia Sophia in Constantinople"
no, but seriously Hagia Sophia should be a wonder in Constantinople...

 

[TinWiz]

I think the early consensus here is Hagia Sophia. If Muslims conquer Constantinople they can convert it into a mosque.

 

[Mindel]

Will the Coliseum return by event if you burn Rome?

 

[Matihood1]

I don't want to sound obnoxious but I think I found a typo. How many worlds are we talking about?

 

[tilly]

ah, not to join the negativity train, but are these descriptions final? they could use a little prose rework

for instance, the pyramids of khufu/giza could instead be something like "these strangely shaped pyramids have been present since time immemorial" only, like, better because im not a writer. the descriptions themselves are generally fine and dont need wholesale changing, just some rewording i think

i realise english isnt the native tongue for a lot of paradox developers so i dont wanna be shitting all over your efforts, it just kind of stands out a little

 

[Barón Rojo]

It would be cool if pyramids are referred as grain silos build by Abraham, as it was supposedly though in the middle ages.

 

[GolfballDM]

Hagia Sophia in Constantinople!

Now that that is out of the way, will loading an existing save add the Wonders in, or will save games started before the patch just be empty of wonders?
Also, can the wonders be turned off (like a DLC), or are they part of vanilla now?

 

[VoodooEconomist]

It would be cool if pyramids are referred as grain silos build by Abraham, as it was supposedly though in the middle ages.

But then people would start accusing Paradox of blatant leftist propaganda for poking fun at the North American Housing Secretary...

 

[Poliut]

What about the Irminsul?

I thought that would have been on the list as well, considering there's an entire event surrounding it in 769.

 

[Poliut]

The rule is that every Great Work that has completed its final stage will be represented by a permanent province modifier in a converted EU4 game. By default we also ignore any historical Great Works that were present at the start of the campaign of CK2 but that rule is easily changed by modifying a value in the defines file before converting.

I'm curious as to why that is regarding historical works.

 

[Voidlord]

@Tuscany
Will the Third Temple be a Wonder if it’s built?

 

[Xoatl]

Awesome dev diary. I am so hyped. I do have a few questions.

1)Why no Hagia Sophia?
2)Why no Irminsil? (Atleast make it so the building is active for reformed germanics!!! Ugh this is so annoying)
3)Why is converting historical wonders locked behind a defines change and what are the modifiers for those converted historical wonders?
4)Stonehenge but no celtic paganism?

All in all amazing update.

 

[Matihood1]

I'm curious as to why that is regarding historical works.

Probably because they don't give any bonuses in the vanilla EU4 as well.

 

[Volphied]

Awesome dev diary. I am so hyped. I do have a few questions.
4)Stonehenge but no celtic paganism?

Stonehenge is not Celtic! It was built between 3000 BC to 2000 BC. There were no Celts back then there. It was still the late stone age in the British isles.

It wasn't until 500 BC that Britain was settled by Celts. By that time Stonehenge was already ancient.

 

[Xoatl]

I think the early consensus here is Hagia Sophia. If Muslims conquer Constantinople they can convert it into a mosque.

Personally would like to see this as well as the ability to remove the apostalic palace as a hellenic when you burn down rome. Maybe even a choice right afterwards to start rebuilding the colosseum or leave empty so you can go another direction.

Stonehenge is not Celtic! It was built between 3000 BC to 2000 BC. There were no Celts back then there. It was still the late stone age in the British isles.

It wasn't until 500 BC that Britain was settled by Celts. By that time Stonehenge was already ancient.

Chill, i get that. But stonehenge was a major holy site for the druids and celts and so should be the main guys to enjoy that wonder. Maybe even have special upgrades for it to improve celtic pagan moral authority.

By the way as a side note on that. I also see the inclusion of pyramids (especially since so many other wonders were ignored) as a hint towards Kemitic paganism as well. Even though simultaneously I believe in the alternative archeaological explanation for the pyramids and sphinx being remnants of a previous high civilization that were probably very different to our understanding of Kemitic Paganism.

 

[Karlingid]

The state of Halicarnassus makes some sense, based on the fact that the earliest report of it's state after ancient times was by the Knights of St. John, who stated there was nothing left.

Eustathius of Thessalonica would disagree with you there

 

[Volphied]

Chill, i get that. But stonehenge was a major holy site for the druids and celts and so should be the main guys to enjoy that wonder. Maybe even have special upgrades for it to improve celtic pagan moral authority.

Was it? Druids cared more about sacred groves.

It's only 21th century neo-pagans who mistake Stonehenge for a place of celtic worship.

 

[Xoatl]

Was it?

Im currently on my phone but its a good question that you should make a thread about. Im sure if we look into it there are references of stonehenge being associated with pagan worship from ck2 times. Maybe not. Either way in the future, especially if theres an imperium-ck2 converter there will be celtic paganism and it will be somehow tied into stonehenge (likely moral authority stuff i mentioned earlier). So its better to have this conversation now and all evidence laid out for the devs.

 

[Strager]

So if I build 10 Stone Circles before I import, are ideas free?