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CK2 Dev Diary #103 - Long live the King!

Greetings.

Today we will put Pagans aside, go back to good old Catholics, and explore one of the new features coming for them with Holy Fury: Coronation Ceremonies.

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With this expansion, succeeding to the throne of a Catholic Kingdom or Empire will not be a simple matter of gaining the title itself. The new ruler will need to organize a Coronation Ceremony (via new intrigue decision) and be recognized as legitimate by a notable member of the Catholic Church.
If a Catholic ruler fails to be officially crowned, he will see his popularity slowly fade away each year, as his vassals grow more and more restless under what they perceive as an illegitimate King.

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Coronation is divided into two phases: preparation and ceremony.
During the preparation, the ruler will decide whom he wishes to be crowned by, he will meet the Church’s demands, and invest money to organize the ceremony. In the second phase, the ruler will host the ceremony itself, interacting with guests and ultimately receiving his crown.

When organizing a ceremony, a Catholic King can choose between three possible options when it comes to officiant priests: he can be crowned by a low-status theocratic vassal within his realm, by a powerful theocratic vassal within his realm (such as a Cardinal, Antipope or Prince-Bishop), or by the Pope himself. Catholic Emperors who fail to enact the Free Investiture succession on the other hand will be limited in their selection only to the Pope.
While being crowned by a local Bishop is a lot less prestigious, it is also much cheaper, as higher-ranking members of the Church will be prone to make outlandish requests, especially if they dislike the ruler requesting them to officiate his coronation.

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Requests may vary a lot, especially when it comes to the Pope: the Holy Father might ask you to change your realm’s Investiture laws, wage war against an Excommunicated ruler on behalf of the Papacy, or to restore some of the Central Italian provinces to the Holy See.
Be sure to be in good relations with the Pope before asking for a coronation if you wish to receive a more tolerable offer.

Once the demands of your chosen priest have been met, you will be able to select a budget for your ceremony which will determine the kind of coronation you will receive, the kind of flavor events tied to it and the number of guests participating in it.
An extravagant coronation is a prestigious event to which all your vassals, courtiers and even neighboring Christian rulers are invited, a secluded coronation is a private feast to which only your Council will have access to.

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Once the ceremony has been concluded, your character will receive a specific trait tied to the priest that crowned him, as well as retain any additional perks granted by the flavor events experienced during the feast leading up to the coronation.

You might have noticed from the screenshots that this new mechanic affects character portraits as well: Catholic Kings and Emperors that have not been crowned will no longer wear the high-tier headgear in Holy Fury, defaulting to the Ducal band instead until their rank has been officially recognized by the Church (naturally, if you do not own Holy Fury, Catholic Kings and Emperors will wear the appropriate gear by default as before).

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This is not the only portrait-related addition though: Holy Fury will bring to the game a series of special crown artifacts that will be visible on portraits whenever the characters are wearing them. Most of these artifacts can only be used when the character meets certain requirements and they are often tied to a specific title rather than a character’s dynasty.

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And this should be about it for this week.
 

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Yea but why call it baptism at all that's just confusing?

I mean do the current mechanics where you preach in an infidel court even reference baptism if successful.
 

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The deeper baptismal mechanic is probably referring to the mass conversion mechanic they covered in dev diary 89.
I figured "Changes to religion" refers to mass conversion.
Although you could say pagan reformations fall under that category...
 

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Yea but why call it baptism at all that's just confusing?

I mean do the current mechanics where you preach in an infidel court even reference baptism if successful.

I agree, when I first saw it I thought the same thing, I just noticed the wording today. As for mentioning baptism, I don't know about the old event, but the knew one does.
 

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A powerful bishop within your realm, independent theocracies are not taken into account. "Powerful" means either Count-tier (or above), Cardinal, or Anti-Pope. If there is none in your realm, the option is simply not available.

Yay, an actual reason to WANT a prince-bishopric in your realm! It is a little disappointing that it's Catholic-only content, though. I assume the modders will set things aright, though.
 

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While very cool for the player, I'm not sure how I feel about this for my vassal kings. I don't want my vassals giving their (my) land away, changing their laws, or fighting in arbitrary wars just to get a crown trait/negate an opinion malus. I could see this creating a bit of chaos in a large realm with lots of king vassals.
 

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So based on corrections made on previous pages of this thread this mechanic will work only on Catholics and Fraticelli Feudal rulers of King rank or superior. Right? No Cathar, no Waldesian, no Lollard, no Merchant Republic of King tier? Is there any malus for being a woman when you receive the crown? Or maybe a worse negative modifier for being a woman and uncrowned?

I feel you should at least enable the event for MRs. They are, of course, quite uninvolved with affairs of the clergy but it's just that they need a lot of flavor.

If only there was a non-exploitative way to transition from MR to Feudal and vice-versa it would be so amazing.
 

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So based on corrections made on previous pages of this thread this mechanic will work only on Catholics and Fraticelli Feudal rulers of King rank or superior. Right? No Cathar, no Waldesian, no Lollard, no Merchant Republic of King tier? Is there any malus for being a woman when you receive the crown? Or maybe a worse negative modifier for being a woman and uncrowned?

I feel you should at least enable the event for MRs. They are, of course, quite uninvolved with affairs of the clergy but it's just that they need a lot of flavor.

If only there was a non-exploitative way to transition from MR to Feudal and vice-versa it would be so amazing.
MRs aren't nobles. They can't get coronations. Maybe some events when they swear the new position, but not a coronation.
 

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@Silfae
Great DD!
Some questions :
1. What if the most powerful cleric in your realm is your prisoner when you start a coronation events chain?
2. If you're an Emperor and have an uncrowned vassal king - will this make revoking their title easier?
3. If your title is usurped and then you recover it - will a new coronation be needed?
4. Likewise, if you have 2 or more kingly titles and you loose the one for which you were crowned - do you need a second coronation? Likewise, what if you change your primary title?
5. If a non-Catholic ruler converts - is there a chance of free coronation or a gift of a crown from the church? As an incentive to convert.
6. Any special circumstances for the kingdom of Jerusalem? Like getting a dislike from the most pious people for presuming to take the title that can only be held by Jesus? Historically Godfrey of Bullion refused the title, because he believed that only Christ can be the true King of Jerusalem.
 

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@Silfae What happens if my Byzantine emperor (in a fit of madness) decides to become Catholic? Does he need to get crowned? Will the Coronation malus apply from conversion, or from when he ascended to the throne?

Also, going the other way, do Catholic rulers who convert to something else keep the coronation trait?
 

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Will there be wartime crowns visible on portraits for rulers leading troops/wearing armor?