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[Michael Gladius]

@PDXKatten In addition to the excellent Special Forces Doctrine tree, will you guys also introduce terrain ribbons alongside existing medals and mobile special forces?

 

[HmJ_JP]

@PDXKatten In addition to the excellent Special Forces Doctrine tree, will you guys also introduce terrain ribbons alongside existing medals and mobile special forces?

Terrain ribbons would be so nice. But make them available to normal divisions as well, and especially put a sticker next to the division icon who earned a ribbon/medal. This would be so helpful to distinguish them while in-game.

 

[Umbosch]

So, yes: with bad weather, fear not the VVS SSSR.

 

[HmJ_JP]

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Can you explain? Is that 100 planes air wings? 136 loss per year for 1000 planes would be low, especially if training because there's a factor.

 

[Umbosch]

Yes 10 wings @ 100 Bf 109 D = 1000 at trainingsmission with weather off. I am irratet now. In my old test run with double wings of fighter, CAS, NAV and Tac - Naval and CAS has the highest accidents. But the old test just went 2 month. 1 month all at the same airport. Second move all to a other airport. The old test has give me the impression that moving from airport to airpoirt at trainingsmission ist not good for the accident stastistic or maybe single training? How you see Test 3 the last value is very high. There are 2 x Do 23 in both tests to compare. But now?

Test 2 month: 1 month all together in Niederschlesien and next month all in Berlin without weather

He 51: 1-3
He 51: 1-2
Bf 109 Tier 2: 1-2
Naval: 4-7
Hs 123: 2-4
Ju 87: 0-1
Do23: 0-1
Do23: 1-1

Test 3 month: 1 month all together in Niederschlesien, next month all in Berlin, then everyone move to a other airport to train alone without weather.

Do 23: 1-4-21
D0 23: 5-6-15
Ju 86: 2-7-22
He111: 2-2-14
He111: 1-2-04 (this wing os the only the has 100% durability)

 

[HmJ_JP]

Yes 10 wings @ 100 Bf 109 D = 1000 at trainingsmission with weather off. I am irratet now. In my old test run with double wings of fighter, CAS, NAV and Tac - Naval and CAS has the highest accidents. But the old test just went 2 month. 1 month all at the same airport. Second move all to a other airport. The old test has give me the impression that moving from airport to airpoirt at trainingsmission ist not good for the accident stastistic or maybe single training? How you see Test 3 the last value is very high. There are 2 x Do 23 in both tests to compare. But now?

Test 2 month: 1 month all together in Niederschlesien and next month all in Berlin without weather

He 51: 1-3
He 51: 1-2
Bf 109 Tier 2: 1-2
Naval: 4-7
Hs 123: 2-4
Ju 87: 0-1
Do23: 0-1
Do23: 1-1

Test 3 month: 1 month all together in Niederschlesien, next month all in Berlin, then everyone move to a other airport to train alone without weather.

Do 23: 1-4-21
D0 23: 5-6-15
Ju 86: 2-7-22
He111: 2-2-14
He111: 1-2-04 (this wings has 100% durbaility)

The accident rate is about 87.6% for single air wing, I stay by this and saw it amplified with weather/night/training conditions. Tested many, many times since June.
However, there's a confirmed bug, showing that grouping the wings on same airfields lowers that probability.
Of course, either the formula is wrong and should be changed for single wings, or else all players will soon after correction feel the difference when they play the air war. I guess I'm more sensible to this because often my IC is rather weak and I also tend to disseminate my wings to all possible provinces to cover different missions.

Air accidents in an air base don't scale

Summary Air accidents in an air base don't scale Platform Steam Operating System Linux Game Version 1.12.14 Enabled DLC None Do you have mods enabled? No Description The rate of plane accident losses does not increase as more wings are...

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Air exercise accident tooltip is wrong and misleading

Summary Air exercise accident tooltip is wrong an misleading Platform Steam Operating System Linux Game Version 1.12.14 Enabled DLC None Do you have mods enabled? No Description The air accident tooltip says accidents will happen during...

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[Umbosch]

However, there's a confirmed bug, showing that grouping the wings on same airfields lower that probability.

I have make a single run for one year 1 x 100 Bf 109. What i ask me now is max out the limit of the airport or the numbers of wings more important? I mean 10 wings at 1200 airport give 13,6 per wing or 136 for all accident in the year. 1 wing at 1200 airport also 136 accident in the year. I have noticed to late. But the last 3 month there are the same accident from the 100 how the 1000 Bf 109. Bad luck?

 

[HmJ_JP]

I have make a single run for one year 1 x 100 Bf 109. What i ask me now is max out the limit of the airport or the numbers of wings more important? I mean 10 wings at 1200 airport give 13,6 per wing or 136 for all accident in the year. 1 wing at 1200 airport also 136 accident in the year. I have noticed to late. But the last 3 month there are the same accident from the 100 how the 1000 Bf 109. Bad luck?

Luck is involved. For the moment we have to crowd the same airfields to minimize the loss, then of course it means you have to increase the max size limit to support all these planes. Otherwise even more accidents.

 

[Umbosch]

Luck is involved. For the moment we have to crowd the same airfields to minimize the loss, then of course it means you have to increase the max size limit to support all these planes. Otherwise even more accidents.

Overfill is not enough. They must make all together missions. I have look. when i delete 9 from my 10 wings and start a trainingsmission in january i lost 11 plaines. When i delete they not but training also 1 i lost 11 too. I ask me what happened when i train only half day? Day = 0. Night = 6! What? Why?

 

[HmJ_JP]

Overfill is not enough. They must make all together missions. I have look. when i delete 9 from my 10 wings and start a traingsmission i lost 11 plaines. When i delete they not but training also 1 i lost 11 too. I ask me what happened when i train only half day? Day = 0. Night = 6? What? Why?

Stats. Night is more dangerous, so training half day makes sense.

 

[Herennius]

Only tangently related and just in case: If you experiment with day/night only air missions you might better double check any impact it perhaps has. Reason: There is (or was in case of a steslth fix) a bug with daytime only-missions not giving out exp (sadly without official confirmation yet):

HoI 4 - [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba]Not recieving air experience from missions while changing to only daytime preference

Description of issue [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba]Not recieving air experience from missions while changing to only daytime preference What platform do you play on? Steam Game Version [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba] Enabled DLC Do you have mods enabled? No...

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I know that it is a leap...but if training is mission as well and maybe still not yields exp when set to daytime-only...then I would atleast not rely on accidents working properly.

 

[Umbosch]

I know that it is a leap...but if training is mission as well and maybe still not yields exp when set to daytime-only...then I would atleast not rely on accidents working properly.

You get DAY XP and is the highest from all. January: Day and night: 183,221 XP. Day: 217 XP. Night: 183,221 XP. I mean i have read by the russian spirit that accindet lost XP? It was to fast to read in game but i mean trainings acindet jump at 2% worth. But 2 x 11 accidents are 22 but the difference is 34. And 2 x 6 accidents (only night) are 12. Now idea how i should calcualte this: I think its more traings XP + 5% mission XP doctrine minus accidents = + 2%

Stats. Night is more dangerous, so training half day makes sense.

From the logic: yes! but i have read a discussion in this forum or at reddit. That there is no accident malus at night. Good point to proof how good my my ace skills or the air doctrine works: Radar has no effect too. 1 Airmoduls testet. The only effect is more XP at same accident. Come the accidents at trainingsmission not from take off and landing? Are there more take offs at night as day?

Intresting 6 accidents how without nightbonus but 198,574 XP. Its more as 183,221XP

Now 11 accident how day and night and only 183.221 XP again. More accident more lost XP. But why have i with -100 night penalty twice as many with -50%?

Radio Navigation 2: 6 accident and 198,574 XP. 20% how 50% night bonus?

 

[Herennius]

You get DAY XP and is the highest from all. January: Day and night: 183,221 XP. Day: 217 XP. Night: 183,221 XP. I mean i have read by the russian spirit that accindet lost XP? It was to fast to read in game but i mean trainings acindet jump at 2% worth. But 2 x 11 accidents are 22 but the difference is 34. And 2 x 6 accidents (only night) are 12. Now idea how i should calcualte this: I think its more traings XP + 5% mission XP doctrine minus accidents = + 2%

Not sure what causes this different observations - I repeated the same experiment I did in the linked bug report and the result is still the same: When I set as Italy in Ethiopia CAS/Tactical bombers to close air support and use either the dual setting of night+day missions or night only, I collect air exp. As soon as I switch to day only no more air exp is generated.

 

[HmJ_JP]

Not sure what causes this different observations - I repeated the same experiment I did in the linked bug report and the result is still the same: When I set as Italy in Ethiopia CAS/Tactical bombers to close air support and use either the dual setting of night+day missions or night only, I collect air exp. As soon as I switch to day only no more air exp is generated.

Very interesting, so let's be careful. I'm positive however that, with volunteers sent in the Spanish Civil War, I get XP also on day-only missions.

 

[Umbosch]

Very interesting, so let's be careful. I'm positive however that, with volunteers sent in the Spanish Civil War, I get XP also on day-only missions.

Thats correct. I have test what you both say. You can't get XP in Ethopia at day mission but in Spain. I have testet with Italy in Africa and Germany in Africa and Spain. Self Germany when they sends airvolunteers at Africa to support Italy has the same problem. For Ethopia i can't test it. When i will send airvolunteers they say yes but i can't bring my airfleet to his airports. As Ethopia build a own airfleet and look if they have the same problems take to long for me. What works is trainingsmission at day in Italy and Africa.

 

[HmJ_JP]

@Herennius I'm concerned the bug report dates from last December but it still not confirmed. There seems to be special cases.

 

[Umbosch]

I have found a intresting thing. You must only have one wing at day and night and all other wings get in Ethopia DAY XP. When you change him to day too. Nobody get more DAY XP. Choose not a fighter at the airport with DAY and Night when you use bomber misison at day. Work with only night too. But give fewer DAY XP.

 

[HmJ_JP]

I have found a intresting thing. You must only have one wing at day and night and all other wings get in Ethopia DAY XP. When you change him to day too. Nobody get more DAY XP. Not a fighter at the airport when you use bomber misison at day. Worrk with only night too. But give fewer DAY XP.

That's a good finding, worth mentioning in the original bug report

HoI 4 - [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba]Not recieving air experience from missions while changing to only daytime preference

Description of issue [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba]Not recieving air experience from missions while changing to only daytime preference What platform do you play on? Steam Game Version [v1.12.6.46b6][a6ba] Enabled DLC Do you have mods enabled? No...

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[IndigoRage]

I don't think you can. It's a really scummy practice by Paradox to lock great tracks behind pre-orders. What if I would've discovered HOI4 in 5 years from now? I can't access locked songs at all? How desperate can you be for pre-orders? I don't think they can justify doing it, considering how many disastrous DLC launches PDX games had over the last few years.

Pre-Order content is usually made accessible at a later date. Like, the original Poland content used to be pre-order content. That said some times they just kind of 'forget' and it takes years.

 

[MathyM]

Pre-Order content is usually made accessible at a later date. Like, the original Poland content used to be pre-order content. That said some times they just kind of 'forget' and it takes years.

That’s only for gameplay content. Pre-Order songs, which are in the class of cosmetic enhancements, have never been made available starting with “March of the Eagles”, released all the way back in February 2020, 3.5 years ago.

It feels pretty sad that I will never own the “complete” game anymore, just because I missed a couple of pre-orders. The few times I asked them to make these songs available for purchase, the only response I got is that these songs are intended to remain exclusive. This is the first time PDX staff even acknowledges the possibility of re-adding them as paid DLC.