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lifeless said:
ha ha! not like the soviets had much of a navy anyway
even so, i like the size of this Soviet Baltic Fleet (zero!) ! ! ! ;)

the land trade with Italy looks like a good idea! :cool:

excellent! ! ! :D
 
Ahh, I lost a save up to middle of October, thereby no save. Lets say that it was a UK War-game about the upcoming month. It seems that Oder will be a likely front when November shows up... I really do wish that the two Land doctrines were ready sooner than it seems likely.


Anyway, a question to the pro:s. As a dove you are getting low on MP and UK isn't that big on it anyway. I currently build one Marine, 3 Inf and 1 arm div in serial. It seems wise to phase out the Inf as soon as the next div. in each line is finished. But what should I do then with my IC in order to keep MP expenditure down?


Options for low MP expenditure:
1) Tac and CAS en masse.
2) Continue with land focus, but just expensive stuff: Arm./HQ/Mech
3) Fleet Focus (can't see the reason though).
4) Airborne. Air Transports and Paras, at least +10 each.
5) Any other good option?
 
Yoy21 said:
*Claps for the AAR* this is good. However, you have neglected the PEACE side of this DOVE AAR.

Other than that, i give it 4 grins out of 5.

:D :D :D :D

Thanks a lot, you get 5 out of 5 stars for commenting in the thread :D

I actually tried to make peace with Romania before USSR gobbled them. But they were astute in their right wing delirium until the end.
On the other hand, none of the allies have actually declared war on any other country. It was Germany who attacked the allied Yugoslavia. The closest UK got an declaration was when we let Finland into the alliance. They were at war and it was clear that UK would get into a war with USSR. On the other side, Lord Halifax believed that that he would shorten war if he showed USSR how impossible their war with Finland was. Ohh well, USSR steamrolled Finland and the British troops stationed there, so much for a vision.
:rolleyes:
 
JASGripen said:
..On the other hand, none of the allies have actually declared war on any other country...
IIRC, only England can DOW on the allied side! ! ! ;)
 
Update, Good Save the Boys

New Years eve 1941/1942


Another batch of soldiers leaves the barracks in Kent to board the transports at Dover and go east. The area they will go to is kind of familiar. The front has not moved much in three months, except in the Balkans were US and Italian troops are performing a fighting withdrawal against Romanian and Soviet troops. Some credit is given to RAF which has bombed North East Germany’s infrastructure to smithereens (infra below 5 in the USSR front provinces facing UK in Germany).

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Most of the troops now leaving England will be stationed North of Berlin and securing the flank. One division will continue to the Czechoslovakian front and be added to the First Armoured Royal Corps, detaching the Self Propelled Artillery they brought to the Corps reserve. Rumours and the British Bombers operating on the Balkan Front says that German elements still fight in the mountains of central Romania. No one (not even the ultra right in the UK which has been a bit more silent the last year) believes that this will last ‘til spring. At least the Germans in the south give the troops on the Balkan a respite.

Lord Halifax held a speech from the Tower at New Year. He guaranteed that the Army corps that boarded as he spoke was the last army corps that the UK will send to war. The papers had already sniffed that novelty up. The press recognise that the infantry camps have been emptied of infantry but filled with Mountain recruits from the Scottish Highlands. It seems as a Mountain division is being trained of Gaelic speaking Scots. The Guardian trumpets out that the division will be named the improbable name “Bonny Prince Charles” to spur the highland soldiers further. Other former infantry camps are inherited by marines and RAF:s mark service branch – as the code for the paratrooper school goes.


In the future we will focus on diplomacy Halifax said in his speech. As an example of the diplomatic success of the UK he aid that the government had kept Japan out of the war by trading and befriend the country. Even the American oil blockade couldn’t provoke Japan into war.

Halifax didn’t mention that UK in the early winter had sent 4 of the most modern carriers to Singapore, reinforcing the obsolete carrier fleet stationed in Hong Kong. The Japanese had the opportunity to inspect the newcomer when the fleet paid a visit to its sister fleet in Hong Kong early December – that is also a kind of diplomacy.

The Soviet has already begun to celebrate their coming victory over the fascist Germany aggressors. The latest thing has spread Joy among the philatelists: a stamp in which the Red Army is depicted fighting German tanks. “Splendid” says the Chairman of John O Groat’s philatelists association when his loving wife confronted him with a copy, as a Christmas Gift.
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Germans in Königsberg rushes by the newly built Communist Headquarter in the Centre of the once German town.


The war reports shows that Soviet are churning out divisions in an accelerated pace. It seems as Halifax has given up on out producing Soviet, but what is the countermeasure?




To be continued...
Will UK hold the line in the East?
Can they ever go on the offensive?
Will lord Halifax deter Japan from war?
Will Denmark's bacon shipments continue to keep superb quality?
 
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JASGripen said:
Will Denmark's bacon shipments continue to keep superb quality?
:rofl: :rofl::rofl: great work!
 
JASGripen: ...Will UK hold the line in the East?
Can they ever go on the offensive?

no, and no! ! ! ;)

JASGripen: Will lord Halifax deter Japan from war?

no, but the Soviets probably will. :eek:

JASGripen: Will Denmark's bacon shipments continue to keep superb quality?

only as long as there are no Soviets in control of Denmark... :cool:

a really nice update! ! ! :D
 
A moderately bizarre war going on, but very interesting.
 
Give the Japs what they want. I want Peace, understand!

That was the last Lord Halifax said when he got a fit and throwed papers at the British diplomats set for Tokyo. A bad omen?

The start of the New Year presented some good signs for the strained allied command. It stood clear that Japan was not unwilling to join the allies (9%). That would be a great thing indeed the Carrier program costs a lot of money, both for UK and the US, with Japan on the boat – so to speak – there would be no need for any more carriers.

The emissaries set away from Hong Kong with the Eastern Battle fleet. The 25th of January, Hood entered the Tokyo harbour. The negotiations continued for 3 days and the Chinese question was hard to solve indeed. The American ambassador could not do anything about the US oil embargo, before Japan had shown some Goodwill. The Negotiations broke down the 28th. But the door was not closed, negotiations were planned to continue again in the middle of February.


The Hangzhou Assault. The end of the East as we know it!

HMS Illustrious and HMS Ark Royal, among the most modern carriers in the world (level III and IV) were on a usual patrol routine outside of Hong Kong, most of the ships around were registered under the Crown. The commanders were aboard HMS Norfolk (CA), the commander of the fleet admiral Fraser was in good mood, discussing the latest news. The most interesting thing was that Lord Halifax finally had given the Mediterranean Fleet green light to continue beyond the Malacca strait, leaving India for Singapore. That would finally add the last two carriers of the Royal Navy to the Eastern Command. The two ships were rather old, but still equipped with good planes; they would surely make an impression on the Japanese (a negative one as some said).

Then suddenly the doors burst open and a lieutenant-commander rushed into the flock of Admirals: “Come out, at once. We have sighted war ships at 1.4 miles, bearing right”.

All the men virtually flew on deck, just to see the flames emerging from some big shadows in the dark. The deafening sound were as shattering as the actual event in itself, all realising that the fleet were assaulted at night, not far from your own harbour. One of the carriers did almost tilt over by the power of the multitude of heavy cannons who hit her middeck, it would later be known that it was the Illustrious. Another round, and Hood virtually exploded in a cascade of fire, lighting the whole area with a reddish and devilish light. A heavy thump! One of Hood’s Sub Lieutenant smashed down on deck not far from the officers.

Captain Glennie of HMS Hood [mistrusting glare on the body]: “Sub Lieutenant Walker?!” [Staring on the Hood, almost gone in vapour, fire, darkness and the sea] “My ship…”

Finally the fleet was reacting to the events! The great number of modern CL:s (6 lvl. IV) and fairly modern destroyers ( level II and III) had apparently not been completely discovered by the hostile fleet. There were not much to talk about, the attacking force were still unknown. But it didn’t matter much now. Torpedo’s hissed from the now almost bypassed screen of destroyers. One of the dark hulks let of a muddled explosion, quite un-dramatic in the dark.


The Carriers were scurrying of away from the terrible scene. The Illustrious did barely make it, but did manage to limp away at half speed, being hit by the main guns of IJN Hyuga it was to be known later.

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Illustrious burning after the inital attack


The lieutenant-commander showed up again, holding a recently decoded telegram in his hand. “From London” [catching his breath] “We are at war with Japan”, he almost shouted.

“Hmmm…. I am glad they noticed”, said the Commander of the Fleet admiral Fraser sourly.


The two fleets did not manage to untangle themselves from each other. The surprise attack were meant to cripple the carriers of the Royal Navy in the East, the plan did almost succeed. Illustrious were in no condition to continue the fight but did manage to launch its planes and redirect them to the other 4 carriers (Glorious, Furious, Courageous and Eagle).

The Japanese plan was then to engage with some of their carriers in order to wipe out the rest of the fleet, when the Royal navies carriers were out of the game. They were not. In the early morning swarm after swarm of torpedo’s circled the air, forming a deadly swarm of wasps. Almost all the obsolete Swordfishes had recently been replaced, except Ark Royal's; almost everything in the air was state of the art.


Fraser looked over at the Illustrious; she had taken a lot of water and would not make it. All that could be scrounged had been taken away from her. He wondered if he should scuttle her, the carrier would only hamper the fleet and the area was still a combat zone.


The planes had left, and the scouts hadn’t returned yet. The fleet did not have time for that kind of luxury, waiting.

The two squadrons of Kate and the sole Betty Squadron had already sighted their targets before the targets sighted them. The Kates did get in dire straits really soon as the abundance of light carriers took its tool- But the Betty’s did get in torpedo range and up to four torpedoes (the exact number is still debated) hit the Ark Royal, the other fairly modern carrier of the navy. The first one of these modern carriers did also get a hit from a torpedo, but Illustrious didn’t mind being put out of misery. A couple of destroyers were severely crippled too, but they did at least float.




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Ark Royal after been caugth without sufficent CAG in the air

Its over, Fraser said aloud. Those near him did not know if he meant the air raid or reflected on the situation of the fleet. He had still not left the HMS Norfolk, the single largest “real” warship left in the fleet, as the old colleagues used to say.

“I say that it would have been splendid if Halifax had sent those couple of carriers some weeks earlier, wouldn’t it” admiral Fraser said laconic to his subordinates. “Well there isn’t much to see here anyway” Alan West said in a stillborn attempt to cheer the crowd up.


Then there were dots afar in the sky. An observer began to sob, “we are doomed”, and began to pray. “It is our own, IT IS OUR OWN!!” Indeed, the planes were signalling with their wings that they had news.

Later the same evening admiral Fraser telegrammed that both Illustrious and Ark Royal had been sunk. But that the toll had been heavy on the IJN, the following ships were listed as sunk in the text:
IJN Hyuga(BB)
IJN Mutsu(BB)
IJN Haruna(BC)
IJN Kirishima(BC)
IJN Akagi(CV)
IJN Ryujo(CV)
IJN Soryu(CV, a modern one)

Epilogue: The fleet entered Hong Kong for some days, but the base were not save against attacks from Japanese land based bombers. So, contrary to what would have been whished otherwise: the fleet left for Singapore.

6:00 February 27, 1942 a couple of Japanese torpedo bombers, based on a surviving carrier attacked HMS Norfolk and sunk here without further ceremony. A couple of hours later they found HMS Glorious, moderately wounded, and sunk here promptly. The annihilation of some Japanese destroyers could not make up for the loss of yet another carrier. After this Singapore were finally reached and the battered fleet could get a chance to think the historical events unfolded over.

The 5 of March The Mediterranean Fleet finally arrived in the East with the carriers Hermes and Argus long wanted for. But then the biggest fleet combat yet fought in the war was over. Japan had entered the war at gunpoint at dark.

Sir Chatfield resigned from his post as Minister of the Navy, covering up for Halifax’s blind belief on negotiations with the Japanese. Sir Barry Domvile took Chatfields portfolio. Lord Halifax informed him that admiral Fraser had done his best and would be promoted to grand admiral in October when the first carrier of the Implacable class would be on its way from England to Singapore.


 
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Could have been a great deal worse.
 
JASGripen said:
...Illustrious were in no condition to continue the fight but did manage to launch its planes and redirect them to the other 4 carriers (Glorious, Furious, Courageous and Eagle). ..up to four torpedoes hit the Ark Royal, the other fairly modern carrier of the navy.

..IJN lost: IJN Hyuga(BB), IJN Mutsu(BB), IJN Haruna(BC), IJN Kirishima(BC), IJN Akagi(CV), IJN Ryujo(CV), and IJN Soryu(CV, a modern one)

..A couple of hours later they found HMS Glorious, moderately wounded, and sunk her promptly.

..5 of March..the carriers Hermes and Argus (finally arrived.)
you was robbed! ! ! :mad:


IRL, the UK did not lose a single CV to enemy air action! ! ! ! ;) (thanks to steel decks! ! ! ! )

oh, fantastic update! ! ! ! :cool:
 
lifeless said:
woo! there goes the core carriers of the IJN! :p

Yes that is at least some comfort. Japan can not have that kind of attritional warfare, at least not this early.

On the other side. UK is facing the Red army over the whole of Europe and the royal army will have a hard time to motivate a big carrier program in the face of Lord Halifax if they loose them at this rate. :eek:
 
stnylan said:
Could have been a great deal worse.


Yes, I do hope that the Yanks do some serious stuff against IJN too. But it seems as the japanese are more interested in the South Chinese Sea than of the Pacific, so I doubt :/
 
GhostWriter said:
you was robbed! ! ! :mad:


IRL, the UK did not lose a single CV to enemy air action! ! ! ! ;) (thanks to steel decks! ! ! ! )

oh, fantastic update! ! ! ! :cool:

Yep robbery was the word. :mad: Thanks for appreciating the AAR (UAR?) :)

Actually I could take the losses during the main combat, it was fair and square. Perhaps I could have seen my older CV:s go to the bottom and not the newest ones. But in the autumn I get my first lvl. V CV, then IJN, then... On top of that I have very soon researched lvl. VI CV:s and that will give me the possibility to get better CAG on my ships. Perhaps the war came a year to early for the Royal Navy. :confused:

But it was thrilling that the Japanese AI did some good moves. The attack in itself was good. Bombing Hong Kong afterwards was very good! The closest Naval base to talk about is Singapore. Then the Japanese navy actually patrolled between Hong Kong and Singapore. I mean, you can’t demand more of Japan even if played by a human. So I lost CV Glorious and CA Kent before arriving to Singapore, in addition many more units were mangled in the process to get to Singapore.

Now there will be a couple of months before the Royal Navy does much out of harbour. :eek:
 
Something's Rotten in Mandalay

On the Eastern front in Europe nothing noteworthy happens when it comes to military operations. USSR pushes slowly to the West.

The 24 of March 1942 Colombia declared war upon Japan. That was a good thing, at least a symbolic good thing. They do refuse to enter the allies. Perhaps Latin America got plans of their own?

“Nevertheless, we must show the world that we mean freedom and peace”
Halifax was not pleased with the news that Breslau was being evacuated at the moment. He had no plans to leave Germany but what could he do about it? “Act! We must ACT!” Said and done the result of the cabinet meeting were that 13:00 April 26, 1942 United Kingdom did with grace of God free Bundesrepublik Deutschland (as their puppet state).

Adenauer did immediately get the task to raise a German Infantry Corps with what means he could. It would be good propaganda to have democratic German soldiers fighting at the brink of Oder.

Lord Halifax was pleased. He didn’t take some joy in the reports that the Royal Navy actually had sunk some smaller vessels outside of Singapore. At least a couple of Japanese heavy cruisers had sunk. “Typically admiral Fraser, trying to make up for the loss of HMS Glorious”, Lord Halifax commented to his ministers who didn't know if Halifax were critical or not.

In the meantime fierce jungle fighting were fought in the jungles and mountains near Mandalay. Retreats had been done, without consent of course, but what could be said.
General Slim was sent to the theatre from Germany as things seemed unstable but rather ok in Europe at the moment. Slim started out with kicking two of the divisional commanders, one being considered lousy and the other to much old school for his taste
Some few divisions were dispersed in the jungle fighting the Japanese and Siamese army at really bad odds. The two Marine divisions still on the European Battle field should be down there in the jungle, marines do not come to their right in trenches. Said and done, despite bad prospects in Europe the two divisions mentioned were of to Asia. Along with them:
3 Squadrons of Tactical bombers,
2 squadron of Escorts (those wonderful Havilland Mosquitoes) and
4 Squadrons of Interceptors
are sent along (Mandalay got level 10 air base and radar). Godspeed and Hals und Beinbruch!

Map showing the Fighting Withdrawal at the Mandalay Theatre
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