I vote Action Francaise, but would support the Restoration of the Bonarpartes to power.
Vive l'Empereur de Monde!!!!!!
Vive l'Empereur de Monde!!!!!!
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If the Action Francaise win the election it would be difficult for us to gain allies against the Germans. If we start the war the Italians will be obligated to aid Germany by their defensive alliance and if the Germans don't violate the neutrality of Belgium the British empire will remain neutral, which they may well be anyway if they percieve France as the aggressor. And since the Central Powers will then seem the stronger side the Americans may well lend them material aid which would make the war even more unwinnable.
In other words, the belligerent attitudes of the Action Francaise make them the least likely government to be able to return Alsace Lorraine to France.
In other words, the belligerent attitudes of the Action Francaise make them the least likely government to be able to return Alsace Lorraine to France.
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In fact, if a leader of the AF is elected, he will cal Philippe d'Orléans to throne. He had many strong links with the Entente powers, he lived in England and had the friendship of UK and Russia's governments.
I`m no fan of the Orleanists, and I hope the throne does not go to an imbecile. However, I do vote for Action Française! Vive le Emperuer et Mort a la Revolution! Also... is anyone else out there.... Bonapartist? Because I sure am.....
*Edit Sorry, i hadnt read very well the posts before mine. I grudingly accept the fact that a Bonapartist restoration is impossible. For now, I give my support to the... Orleanists
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The Kaizer has even stronger links to the governments of England and Russia. He is closely related to the royal houses of both. That has changed very little, in the end.
The British people will not sacrifice the lives of their sons to make France greater. They will defend the balance of power in Europe, they always have and they always will. And if the government of France threatens to upset that balance what do you think the British government will think about that?
The SFIO is divided in two tendencies : a republican side, the stronger, and a revolutionary, the minorityHis particularity is that he became a pro-war socialist party after the assassination of Jean Jaurès by Raoul Villain.
In the case of a second Restauration, the throne will most likely go to the orleanist branch, whose pretendant was, at the time, Philippe d'Orléans, whose direct ancestor is Louis XIV's brother. The last legitimist before WWII was Henri d'Artois, comte of Chambord and grand-son of Charles X, last king whose ancestor was Louis XIV.
In 1914, There was not any real legitimist pretendant, because of Henri d'Artois death. The only true claiment at the eyes of the AF monarchists was Philippe d'Orléans.
I bow to the knowledge of the Frenchman hear. Were the moderates that strong of a majority in 1914? I know that by the split at Tours in 1920 the Revolutionaries (who became the CP) were noticeably larger, especially at the grass roots that the moderate minority who kept the SFIO name.
I was leaning towards the Orleanist anyway, so I claim being mostly right.
Am I correct in saying the Legitimist claimant, who lived in Austria, was much closer to his Spanish (Carlist) claim than his French one?Also, feel free to correct me with my attempts at using French every now and again - I didn't even do it at school (I did German) so have no knowledge of the language.
No chance for (another) Napoleonic restoration? Shame
Still, interesting stuff we're seeing here.
AF's main platform is not just to have a monarch, its to wipe away everything the French Revolution did - Bonapartists are part of that legacy and are just as hated as Republicans. The whole monarchy thing is more of a means to an end - Maurras (who had to convince AF to become explicetly monarchist after he joined) sees the monarchy as a useful tool towards national cohesion. No matter what a King would only be a figurehead, to had some more legitimacy to the counter revolution.
I took a year and a half sabbatical, mine's longer.
Good to see you still around, do you still write any AARs?
I agree. If anything, being a Republic in a continent of monarch's is a bad thing for French diplomacy, and Philippe has good ties with the Entente (ep the UK).
Poll:
Total Vote: 22
AF: 11
SFIO: 5
PRD: 3
ALP: 2
Radicals: 1
As ever the election is on a knifeedge with AF sniffing around for an absolute majority.
And if the republican parties win they will form a shaky coalition that will lead us into a defensive war that will not antagonize our potential allies. Then, a couple of months into the war, the coalition government will inevitably collapse. A new election will be held which the Action Francaise will likely win, buoyed by wartime jingoism. Then, with our allies already committed to the war, we can safely extend our war aims and lead the Entente to victory, regain Alcase Lorraine, annex the Rhineland and divide Germany into a dozen petty princedoms which will never be able to threaten us again.
But if the AF win now they will jeopardize the very outcome they hope for.
This is a sure way of fuelling revanchism and inviting Russia to steam-roll Central Europe. It would also leave France with few allies and many potential enemies...
German revanchism will be fueled either way, a mostly intact German state would still consider Alcase-Lorraine a rightful part of Germany. But if we break Germany utterly they will be unable to do anything about it, no matter how revanchist they feel. And since there is a strong historical precedent for a divided Germany much of the german population, especially in the southern and western states, will probably accept the inevitable in time.
If Russia steamrolls central Europe we would either have a rather strong ally in the russians or have no difficulty in finding plenty of smaller allies to help us contain the russians. Either way we would be safer than we are now since we would not have a strong enemy right next door, and any battles fought in a future war would not be fought on french soil. A strong Russia would make it easier for the international community to accept a strong France. That is not a threat but an opportunity.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Right now our focus should be on narrowly winning the election.
AF will engulf Europe in flames, bring down the Republic and in the long term it will destroy France as well with its pointless, aggressive policies and revisionist thinking. This cannot be allowed. DEFEND THE REPUBLIC! VOTE PRD!
Cher KotoR45 (t'aurais pas pu prendre un pseudo moins compliqué ?! ^^ ),
Je pense que l''Action Française est prête à faire quelques concessions, notamment dans le domaine économique. We must unite our forces against the evil socialist hordes !
BUT you need to recognize the french pretendant as the true and only leader of the french people.
@Tommy4ever : When you speak about the legitimist claiment who lived in Austria, Do you speak about Henri V (Henri d'Artois) ? Because, by his grand-father Charles X, he was closer to Louis XIV than to the carlist claiment.
Je pense que l''Action Française est prête à faire quelques concessions, notamment dans le domaine économique. We must unite our forces against the evil socialist hordes !
BUT you need to recognize the french pretendant as the true and only leader of the french people.
@Tommy4ever : When you speak about the legitimist claiment who lived in Austria, Do you speak about Henri V (Henri d'Artois) ? Because, by his grand-father Charles X, he was closer to Louis XIV than to the carlist claiment.
Please. We're not evil. Just egalitarian. I'm sure that terrifies you as a minority about to get disenfranchised!
It's not me who will decide, but it appears to me extremely unlikely if AF choose anithing else than a orleanist as king (because he is the most moderate). And even so, it would be difficult because ALP is now republican. It's not that easy to change of ideology, even for politicians :laugh: (or they will lost their electors).
And as a program, apart from Catholicism, they have nothing in common. ALP is more liberal/industrialist minded, when AF is more interventionnist/agricultural.
You have the right and the far right, the governemental and the populist, in an eternal french politic flavour.
But this is XX century. The age of the monarchy fades face at the age of republics. Follow the Pope.
Vote ALP.
But after all this is Alt-History (or AF would never win so many voters), so everything can happen!
Note: I hope it's understanble, use a non-maternal language is rather frustrating sometimes ^^
SFIO is the only way to go! Vote for us and you shall be freed from the shackles of evil!
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L'impôt saigne le malheureux
Nul devoir ne s'impose au riche
Le droit du pauvre est un mot creux
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