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Excellent again, entertaining enough yes....
'"Maybe if the United States Navy spent a little less time in San Francisco and San Diego and a bit more time at sea hunting convoys then there wouldn't be any need for diplomacy."'
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: The US Navy is too good to be spent on those Japs.....
A shame that you did not ask about the Soviet 'Navy', do they even know that the word exist? :rofl:
Nice job! Can't wait for the next update...maybe a comment by Hirohito, or did they not crack the codes of the US/UK/USSR???
Tim
'"Maybe if the United States Navy spent a little less time in San Francisco and San Diego and a bit more time at sea hunting convoys then there wouldn't be any need for diplomacy."'
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: The US Navy is too good to be spent on those Japs.....
A shame that you did not ask about the Soviet 'Navy', do they even know that the word exist? :rofl: Nice job! Can't wait for the next update...maybe a comment by Hirohito, or did they not crack the codes of the US/UK/USSR???
Tim
"You have the supply situation under control now though don't you?" Attlee asked.
"More or less yes." Stalin replied.
"Well that's good then."
"No actually it is not."
"Oh?"
"The Japanese have killed the three million men they were providing supplies for."
The peak of military comedy
You can call it "martial arts"
"More or less yes." Stalin replied.
"Well that's good then."
"No actually it is not."
"Oh?"
"The Japanese have killed the three million men they were providing supplies for."
The peak of military comedy
You can call it "martial arts"
I imagined Attlee would say "Look at the bright side!You don't need to supply them anymore." after that.
Timmie0307 said:
Well, the Soviets do have that one submarine the Japanese didn't bother to sink. I am sure that counts for something.
cjwet - Leaders are diplomats by nature and they always have excuses
ColossusCrusher, Manziel - Concede has been changed and thanks for pointing it out. Manziel is correct, I had to alter the true Potsdam Conference date, which began July 16th 1945, to accomodate Germany's early demise in this AAR.
MidEvil - Thank you and welcome aboard
robou - A little intrigue is nice to add from time to time. The Allies would be concerned about Soviet aggression in Europe though and it is failry well documented.
germanpeon - Stalin did not get everything out of his system in 1937 so he might decide that another round of shootings could be in order.
Maj. von Mauser, BobaFett696, Thurak, Hermann Steiner - Thank you
Krogzar - I nearly used American instead of English but I thought this term would be more appropriate for the boards
Nathan Madien, safferli - Stalin's view is somewhat believable given the losses he sustained against Germany and now Japan. I can't say its anywhere near the truth but it is plausible
LordSlowpoke - Tempting to use it but the time limit is what makes things more fun as I have to get a move on if I want to conquer the World by the end of 1953.
Timmie0307, Nathan Madien - Japanese code breakers are still reliant on finding left over documents so no response from Hirohito. The Soviets actually have some more Submarines.
Beladriel - I did consider something similar but Stalin was already annoyed and Attlee would have been a good enough Diplomat to stop himself I would hope. Of course as the entire conversation is purely fictional I could easily have added that too
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ColossusCrusher, Manziel - Concede has been changed and thanks for pointing it out. Manziel is correct, I had to alter the true Potsdam Conference date, which began July 16th 1945, to accomodate Germany's early demise in this AAR.
MidEvil - Thank you and welcome aboard
robou - A little intrigue is nice to add from time to time. The Allies would be concerned about Soviet aggression in Europe though and it is failry well documented.
germanpeon - Stalin did not get everything out of his system in 1937 so he might decide that another round of shootings could be in order.
Maj. von Mauser, BobaFett696, Thurak, Hermann Steiner - Thank you
Krogzar - I nearly used American instead of English but I thought this term would be more appropriate for the boards
Nathan Madien, safferli - Stalin's view is somewhat believable given the losses he sustained against Germany and now Japan. I can't say its anywhere near the truth but it is plausible
LordSlowpoke - Tempting to use it but the time limit is what makes things more fun as I have to get a move on if I want to conquer the World by the end of 1953.
Timmie0307, Nathan Madien - Japanese code breakers are still reliant on finding left over documents so no response from Hirohito. The Soviets actually have some more Submarines.
Beladriel - I did consider something similar but Stalin was already annoyed and Attlee would have been a good enough Diplomat to stop himself I would hope. Of course as the entire conversation is purely fictional I could easily have added that too
Update to follow ...
Operation Improbable
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0500 June 1st 1947.
BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Musashi, In Transit.
Admiral Ozawa had his fleet steaming north in an attempt to intercept Admiral English and his three Aircraft Carriers. He would need accurate spotting reports to allow BB Division 1 to engage at a time and place of his choosing to maximise his chances of success.
The primary intelligence gatherers at such times were, as always, the Naval bombers led by Ichimaru and Genda. They found English in the Persian Gulf at dawn on June 1st and proceeded to target the Carriers as they had done during their first visit. USS Antietam would be sunk by 0600 hours with the bombers re-aquiring their targets at 0700 hours in the Gulf of Oman. They would only get two more hours of attacks before English made good his escape to the more open waters of the Arabian Sea. The Carrier USS Kitty Hawk would sustain more moderate damage during those hours.
The bombers returned to Ahmadabad to re-arm and refuel before they pursued their quarry the next day.
The bombers returned to Ahmadabad to re-arm and refuel before they pursued their quarry the next day.
Other Imperial Japanese vessels would also be in action as they responded to a sighting by Siamese bombers in Tokyo Bay. The four Destroyer Flotillas would make short work of the 5th Submarine Division which would be sunk by 13 Kuchikukantai.
Genda and Ichimaru would resume their hunt at 0300 hours on June 2nd over the Arabian Sea. They would not need long to find a target.
Genda and Ichimaru would resume their hunt at 0300 hours on June 2nd over the Arabian Sea. They would not need long to find a target.
The Canadian Battlecruiser HMCS Canada, still damaged from previous encounters, drew their attention away from the fleeing Carriers as Genda began his attack. Ichimaru would arrive within the hour but the Battlecruiser would escape with its life on this occasion. There would be no further sightings of any enemy ships during the remainder of the patrol. Ozawa did know which direction HMCS Canada was heading and decided that it would likely be following the same path as English would be. He altered course to intercept the likely path and would time his arrival for the early hours of the evening of June 2nd.
BB Division 1 entered the East Arabian Basin at 1800 hours where it found what it was looking for. The two damaged American Carriers had been joined by the crippled Canadian Battlecruiser as they tried to make good their escape from the Persian Gulf. The range would be closed swiftly to allow Ozawa's big guns to come into play where the night encounter should favour them. The new breed of Allied Carriers were nowhere near as vunerable at night as their predecessors as Ozawa was about to find out.
By 2000 hours things were still looking favourable for Ozawa as the range closed to allow his capital ships to open fire. Their first target would be the last remaining escorting Destroyer Division which would sink to the guns of IJN Musashi. She in turn would take some minor damage from the Carriers and HMCS Canada.
The loss of the Destroyer Division allowed Ozawa to close to point blank range which would also allow the remaining ships in BB Division 1 to join in the fight. Things were expected to go rapidly downhill for English at this point but it would not be the case as the Carriers fought back. By 2100 hours only minor damage had been sustained by the Allied ships but they had badly damaged both IJN Musashi and IJN Nagato as the Carrier aircraft struck their targets. English would open the range and escape to the north an hour later but his faster Carriers would leave HMCS Canada behind as she could not keep up with the damage she had sustained during the bombing raid against her earlier in the day. IJN Musashi would sink her before she could get very far.
English no longer had any escorts and had been forced to turn around where the bombers would hunt him again the following morning. He had managed to successfully survive against a Japanese Carrier fleet and Battleship fleet where his ships had more than held their own. Ozawa could not risk sending his damaged Battleships against the Carriers for a second time and BB Division 1 headed back towards Colombo in the hope that Ichimaru and Genda could finish off the enemy ships.
The loss of the Destroyer Division allowed Ozawa to close to point blank range which would also allow the remaining ships in BB Division 1 to join in the fight. Things were expected to go rapidly downhill for English at this point but it would not be the case as the Carriers fought back. By 2100 hours only minor damage had been sustained by the Allied ships but they had badly damaged both IJN Musashi and IJN Nagato as the Carrier aircraft struck their targets. English would open the range and escape to the north an hour later but his faster Carriers would leave HMCS Canada behind as she could not keep up with the damage she had sustained during the bombing raid against her earlier in the day. IJN Musashi would sink her before she could get very far.
English no longer had any escorts and had been forced to turn around where the bombers would hunt him again the following morning. He had managed to successfully survive against a Japanese Carrier fleet and Battleship fleet where his ships had more than held their own. Ozawa could not risk sending his damaged Battleships against the Carriers for a second time and BB Division 1 headed back towards Colombo in the hope that Ichimaru and Genda could finish off the enemy ships.
Fate and the Soviet Navy would intervene on June 4th after no sightings had been made on June 3rd. Shimada's Submarine pickets spotted and attacked their outdated Soviet counterparts at 0100 hours. Unfortunately the Soviet Submarines would also draw the attention of Japanese Naval bombers once they arrived over the area. Another day would go by without any sightings of English and his Carriers. The chances of finding them dwindled with each passing hour as they were very fast moving. None of the Soviet Submarines would be sunk during the encounter although one would sustain bomber damage.
The War was moving along in Asia as well where the Imperial Japanese Navy was still supporting operations along the coast. The Transport fleets had embarked the eight divisions that had been resting in Wonsan province and carried them towards Iman which had now been cleared of enemy troops by Tactical bombers covering the area. Once ashore it remain to be seen if they would have the desired effect on the forces defending Vladivostok.
Gondo's Tactical bombers were not the only ones operating against the Red Army. He had switched targets to Jilin with the Dive bombers moving to Ulan Hot as they had no other target after the enemy forces in Liaoyuan had retreated north. Shima's Tactical bombers were attacking Chita, which was north east of Mongolia, and the remaining Dive bomber group continued to bomb anything that entered either Erenhot or Xilinhot as Japanese ground forces moved into the provinces.
0000 June 5th 1947.
Diplomatic Offices. Tokyo, Japan.
0300 June 5th 1947.
BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Musashi, In Transit.
0400 June 6th 1947.
North China Army Headquarters. Lanzhou, China.
Diplomatic Offices. Tokyo, Japan.
Mamoru had been watching the available markets closely and had discovered another trade that could solve a major headache for Japan. He invited the Venezuelan Ambassador for tea to discuss the situation.
The Two diplomats did not need long to come to another agreement. Another large amount of Venezuelan Oil would be making its way towards Japan in exchange for a hefty amount of Japanese Supplies. The convoy routes appeared to have come under renewed attack during the early part of the month which was making trading a little more difficult. The Allied Navies had been sent out to hunt these convoys it would appear.
0300 June 5th 1947.
BB Division 1 Flagship. IJN Musashi, In Transit.
No further reports had been received on the whereabouts of the American Carriers as Ozawa headed back to Colombo. Ozawa did have most of the Imperial Japanese Navy in and around the Indian Ocean which left him with one further fleet that was undamaged which he could use to try one last search for English. He gave orders for Carrier Group D, commanded by Admiral Toyoda, to put to sea and head towards the Arabian Sea to both cover the withdrawing Battleships and search for the enemy.
Reports began to arrive onboard IJN Zuikaku, Toyoda's Flagship, almost as soon as his fleet had entered the Gulf of Mannar off the coast of Ceylon. Admiral English had managed to get ahead of the Battleships and had nearly managed to make good his escape as he headed north to avoid the Submarine pickets that the Allies clearly knew were there.
The scene was set for a second Carrier showdown between the United States Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy. Four fresh but outdated Japanese Carriers would try and sink two badly damaged modern American ones. This time it would be a daylight encounter which favoured the Carriers.
The scene was set for a second Carrier showdown between the United States Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy. Four fresh but outdated Japanese Carriers would try and sink two badly damaged modern American ones. This time it would be a daylight encounter which favoured the Carriers.
Toyoda would not bother to keep the battle at Carrier range and closed in for the kill to allow his escorts to assist. English had no such forces left to help his Carriers. By 0500 hours all three American Carriers, including the Light Carrier USS Belleau Wood, sustained further damage as the American Carriers tried to respond. They had singled out IJN Amagi which had already been badly damaged.
At 0600 hours the Japanese Carriers had managed to finish off the stricken Carrier USS Lake Champlain, sunk by IJN Junyo, and caused considerable damage to the two remaining ships in English's fleet. In return IJN Amagi had sustained more damage and IJN Katsuragi, which had only recently returned to active service after a major overhaul in Tokyo, had almost been sunk during the last raid.
English would attempt to open the range again and escape an hour later but to no avail. The Japanese Carriers would manage to stay afloat and sink both of the remaining American ships. USS Kitty Hawk would be sunk by IJN Katsuragi with USS Belleau Wood falling to aircraft from IJN Zuikaku.
Although the threat had been completely removed Ozawa was not particularly happy. It had taken nearly three quarters of the Imperial Japanese Navy to sink three enemy Carriers. He had lost IJN Shinano and considerable repairs would be required to both of his Carrier fleets as well as BB Division 1. English had effectively reduced the Imperial Japanese Navy to one Battlecruiser Division and one Heavy Cruiser division. Ozawa could mix his fleets to make another if it was urgently needed but he had little choice but to await the new ships to arrive, and for Japanese naval Doctrines to be brought up to date, before thinking of actively hunting modern American ships.
He would send out two sets of orders following the showdown in the Gulf of Mannar. Carrier Group C would head to Colombo for repairs and he also ordered CA Division 1 to Colombo from its base in Truk, where it could carry out routine patrols in safer waters.
At 0600 hours the Japanese Carriers had managed to finish off the stricken Carrier USS Lake Champlain, sunk by IJN Junyo, and caused considerable damage to the two remaining ships in English's fleet. In return IJN Amagi had sustained more damage and IJN Katsuragi, which had only recently returned to active service after a major overhaul in Tokyo, had almost been sunk during the last raid.
English would attempt to open the range again and escape an hour later but to no avail. The Japanese Carriers would manage to stay afloat and sink both of the remaining American ships. USS Kitty Hawk would be sunk by IJN Katsuragi with USS Belleau Wood falling to aircraft from IJN Zuikaku.
Although the threat had been completely removed Ozawa was not particularly happy. It had taken nearly three quarters of the Imperial Japanese Navy to sink three enemy Carriers. He had lost IJN Shinano and considerable repairs would be required to both of his Carrier fleets as well as BB Division 1. English had effectively reduced the Imperial Japanese Navy to one Battlecruiser Division and one Heavy Cruiser division. Ozawa could mix his fleets to make another if it was urgently needed but he had little choice but to await the new ships to arrive, and for Japanese naval Doctrines to be brought up to date, before thinking of actively hunting modern American ships.
He would send out two sets of orders following the showdown in the Gulf of Mannar. Carrier Group C would head to Colombo for repairs and he also ordered CA Division 1 to Colombo from its base in Truk, where it could carry out routine patrols in safer waters.
Ozawa would have preferred his fleets to arrive without further combat but it would not be the case as another battle began on June 6th. BB Division 1 encountered a small American escort vessel fleet in the Nine Degree Channel as it returned to port. It was highly likely that these two ships had been trying to meet up with English and his Carriers where they could have provided escort. The fight would be brief as the 26th Destroyer Division was sunk by the Battleship IJN Ise with the Light Cruiser USS Cleveland also sinking to unknown damage.
0400 June 6th 1947.
North China Army Headquarters. Lanzhou, China.
Higashikuni had been waiting for one particular division under his command to advance. He received word of the completion of that advance at 0400 hours on June 6th and forwarded a message to Tokyo in response.
To: Army Headquarters, Diplomatic Offices.
From: North China Army Headquarters.
At 0400 hours on June 6th 1947 Japanese forces, namely 15th Army commanded by Mj. General Takumi, arrived in Tabriz. As a result Persia no longer holds any territory worth note.
Field Marshall Higashikuni.
Commander North China Army.
From: North China Army Headquarters.
At 0400 hours on June 6th 1947 Japanese forces, namely 15th Army commanded by Mj. General Takumi, arrived in Tabriz. As a result Persia no longer holds any territory worth note.
Field Marshall Higashikuni.
Commander North China Army.
Mamoru invited the Persian Ambassador to his offices to inform him of the situation and accepted the unconditional surrender of the remainder of Persia. He was sure that Ginjiro would be delighted to know that nearly 3,000 tonnes of Oil had been captured, although precious little else.
The annexation of Persia would allow Soviet forces to cross the border so Shima's Tactical bombers were recalled from Asia and headed to Ahmadabad for a short rest before moving into Iraq.
Hmm, that naval engagement went really bad considering the forces involved. BBs were not able to sink any carriers even when the CTF had no escorts left and some of the CVs were already damaged. Seems to me that those modern US carriers are no longer easy prey for IJN's battleships. I'm expecting more indecisive battles in the future, also I think that the airforce will be taking a bigger role in fighting the US Navy. The doctrine gap is getting rather wide.
Edit: Ah, another update while I was typing Well, I meant that first battle between BB division and the carriers, but the outcome was rather similar also in the second battle, even though the US carriers were eventually sunk.
Edit2: And another thing: hurrah for another annexation & extra oil! After some bombing, Baku will be an easy catch, providing more oil and surely disrupting Soviet troops.
Edit: Ah, another update while I was typing
Well, I meant that first battle between BB division and the carriers, but the outcome was rather similar also in the second battle, even though the US carriers were eventually sunk.Edit2: And another thing: hurrah for another annexation & extra oil! After some bombing, Baku will be an easy catch, providing more oil and surely disrupting Soviet troops.
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Think you can hold baku? Seems like the soviets at have some divisions in the area.
Huzzah! More naval action! Three carriers sunk, at a cost of one Japanese carrier and lots of repair time and IC. Plus the strategic victory for the USA of having bottled up nearly your entire fighting fleet. Still, it's probably the best you could do!
Ouch...
That hurts. To sink this four Carriers was a good job, but the cost were high. Is there anything left to protect Australia and the islands? An invasion this time would be very critical.
That hurts. To sink this four Carriers was a good job, but the cost were high. Is there anything left to protect Australia and the islands? An invasion this time would be very critical.
3,000 oil from Persia is great. Also great is the naval action going on. Very unlucky that the naval bombers missed their targets twice and very unfortunate that the Canadian BC joined the battle and probably considerably helped the Allies during the night engagement with BB division 1.
Now, it's repair time (again)... don't forget to prioritize or your precious manpower may flow to the land units instead of the ships.
Now, it's repair time (again)... don't forget to prioritize or your precious manpower may flow to the land units instead of the ships.
I'm sure you'll see english again at some point....they really should program in a % chance to lose naval commanders when they lose their entire fleet since they are at sea after all
tough break on the naval battle...high price to pay although it will still take a year to replace these recent losses for the U.S. (I'm not counting the carrier spam they probably have in their build Q)
tough break on the naval battle...high price to pay although it will still take a year to replace these recent losses for the U.S. (I'm not counting the carrier spam they probably have in their build Q)
You´ve won the naval battle but you lost it strategically. The allies will get a chance to disrupt your conquest, but not for long i guess .
Congrats to the annexiation of Persia. I hope that the results of this would make it for you a lot easier...
.Congrats to the annexiation of Persia. I hope that the results of this would make it for you a lot easier...
So you have finally annexed Persia...I hope you are ready to deal with the mysterious number of Soviet forces now on your border.
Long time lurker, first time poster (in a Remble AAR anyway o ).
Unfortunatly the naval results are just due to the fact that the IJN is just old and is now feeling her age. Most of the BBs being used were laid down at the end of World War 1 or shortly thereafter and most of the carriers aren't much younger (in game terms of course, I am not sure when the RL hulls were laid down). Even the Musashi and Yamato and the type 4 carriers are all 1938 vintage. The only solution, I'm afraid, is to get type 7 carriers (or better), or the second version of the super heavy BBs. The doctrines are less important (and will only shorten the gap by so much), as can be seen in your other AAR with germany.
Given the build time (and research time) it is going to be a good long time before you can correct this problem, which means making due with what you have. Its going to be a looong next couple of years for the IJN.
o ).Unfortunatly the naval results are just due to the fact that the IJN is just old and is now feeling her age. Most of the BBs being used were laid down at the end of World War 1 or shortly thereafter and most of the carriers aren't much younger (in game terms of course, I am not sure when the RL hulls were laid down). Even the Musashi and Yamato and the type 4 carriers are all 1938 vintage. The only solution, I'm afraid, is to get type 7 carriers (or better), or the second version of the super heavy BBs. The doctrines are less important (and will only shorten the gap by so much), as can be seen in your other AAR with germany.
Given the build time (and research time) it is going to be a good long time before you can correct this problem, which means making due with what you have. Its going to be a looong next couple of years for the IJN.
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Well, the carrier CAGs do upgrade, but you need the doctrines to turn the CVs into those most-feared harbingers of destruction in a HoI game. The US have those doctrines, Remble hasn't (yet). Plus, he's a little behind on carrier techs.
I love it when a plan.....oh no when U.S. Carriers are being sunk. As already said it was costly and it proved just what the others already said...you need to modernize, how difficult it is.
Nice move in Persia, this will help I hope, although I expected a bit more resources as already noticed. The strange thing is that the enemy only target your best carriers....your level III carriers get much damage while the level II is not even touched....a bit 'gamey', 'cheating' of the AI/Computer I must say....the level III are more needed than this lvl II one....
Ahh...I saw that you encountered the Soviet Pacific Submarine Fleet...or what they call those WWI cruisers from the Imperial Fleet of Russia ( ) and some new ones of course...from the year 1938 (?)... too bad you did not finish them off....
are these trades with countries like Venezuela getting better, I mean that you get more oil for supplies or not?
Tim
Nice move in Persia, this will help I hope, although I expected a bit more resources as already noticed. The strange thing is that the enemy only target your best carriers....your level III carriers get much damage while the level II is not even touched....a bit 'gamey', 'cheating' of the AI/Computer I must say....the level III are more needed than this lvl II one....
Ahh...I saw that you encountered the Soviet Pacific Submarine Fleet...or what they call those WWI cruisers from the Imperial Fleet of Russia (
) and some new ones of course...from the year 1938 (?)... too bad you did not finish them off....are these trades with countries like Venezuela getting better, I mean that you get more oil for supplies or not?
Tim
Unfortunatly even when the CAGs do mondernize, the defensive nature of the hulls does not, at least not as much as the offensive nature. Type 4s and lower have very poor defensive numbers. Type 5s begin to correct this problem but type 7s and higher are hard to damage.
That being said, I am not disagreeing with you that the doctrines are important, because they are, but even with good positioning (and hence better use of the screens), with out better defense capability, what we saw happen here will only repeat itself over again. The only differance will be his screens will die quick deaths first.
That being said, I am not disagreeing with you that the doctrines are important, because they are, but even with good positioning (and hence better use of the screens), with out better defense capability, what we saw happen here will only repeat itself over again. The only differance will be his screens will die quick deaths first.