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H.Appleby: I am pretty sure they are here and here somewhere.

About the Middle East, I am not really sure about wars there at the moment. With Egypt having a pro-US government and the British maintaining influence over the region, there isn't a lot of turmoil in the region at the moment.

As for 'Nam, I won't actually get around to fighting it until 1964/1965-ish. At the rate I am going, it might be 2013 by the time I throw up battle screenshots.

By the way, what is CCR? :blink:

Creedence Clearwater Revival Each word is a link, learn it, live it, love it.
 
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Oh Nathan, one more thing; I expect that you will be the first to the moon this time around too, just know that. Also, I want a permanent moon base damnit! The United States of America must now become the United States of Space! Also, whatever happened at Roswell TTL? And more importantly can we avoid Apollo 1? Also, I'm still waiting for Scoop's Veep, I'm hoping either LBJ, Truman or my other favorite democrat of the early sixties, John Conally. Also can we get some gratuitous Bob Macnamara action? I'm kind of a Macnamara fanboy. And did you ever read the AH story where Goldwater wins, uses nukes to end the war in Vietnam and then Nixon becomes a talk show host? It was really implausible but rather entertaining.

Moreover, what is going on in Tibet? I am hoping for some sweet, sweet American-Soviet spygames in the Himalayas, just so many possible thriller plots waiting to happen.

Actually back to Goldwater for a second, can we see him again?

I'll just make a list of people or groups that I want to see more of:
  • Goldwater
  • CCR
  • John Conally
  • LBJ
  • Bob Macnamara
  • Richard Nixon
  • Harry Truman
  • Julio Lobo, the Richest Man in PreRevolutionary Cuba
  • The Entire Nation of Israel
  • Israel getting Jerusalem
  • Niel Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Micheal Collins
  • William Safire
  • Katanga
  • Curtis LeMay
  • Also, this isn't an organization but I WANT MOAR BUNKERS!!! (Plus the TTL ones like Cheyanne Mountain, Raven Rock and the Greenbriar.)
 
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January 1960

H.Appleby: They are pretty good. :)

red1: I would rather not get into that topic.

H.Appleby: A permanent moon base? Well...maybe.

Roswell still happened. I think I briefly mentioned it somewhere.

I am afraid Apollo 1 can't be avoided. NASA learned a lot from that tragedy after all.

I know who Scoop's Veep will be and it isn't anybody you mentioned:
LBJ: It makes political sense, but I think the Northern Democrats will want to try to prove that the Party can win without kissing up to the South.
Truman: He has already served a tour of duty as a Veep candidate in 1948. Having been in D.C. since 1935, I think Truman will want to retire at the end of Sparkman's tenure.
John Conally: Hmm...sounds like a possible cabinet secretary.

Sorry, but I plan to keep Bob Macnamara at Ford. I want someone else at the Pentagon when Vietnam heats up.

I think I read that once.

Tibet is a neutral country which is strictly minding its' own business. Doesn't want to have anything to do with the Cold War either way.

We'll see Goldwater again. Actually, I think him and Jackson would get along quite well.

As for your list:
Goldwater: Yup.
CCR: Sure, but you will have to provide your own music.
John Conally: Yup.
LBJ: I will do something with him.
Bob Macnamara: Nope. I am keeping him at Ford.
Richard Nixon: Senator Nixon is up for re-election in 1964.
Harry Truman: "Old politicans never die; they just fade away."
Julio Lobo, the Richest Man in PreRevolutionary Cuba: Good lord he's rich!
The Entire Nation of Israel: Israel is coming up soon.
Israel getting Jerusalem: That might be difficult, considering Jordan owns the Jerusalem province game-wise.
Niel Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Micheal Collins: Yup.
William Safire: Already made his cameo appearance.
Katanga: We will get it in some form.
Curtis LeMay: Yup.

Don't worry. America has bunkers.

Ladies and Gentlemen: welcome to the 1960s!
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Highlights of the Year
-Swiss and American oceanographers Jacques Piccard and Don Walsh become the first – and so far only – men to descend into the Pacific’s deep Mariana Trench and reach the depth of 35,797 feet aboard a specially-designed submarine called Trieste
-The 32nd Academy Awards is held at the RKO Pantages Theatre in Los Angeles, California and is hosted by actor Bob Hope. “Ben-Hur”, starring Charlton Heston (as Judah Ben-Hur) and Leslie Nielsen (as Messala), wins a record-setting twelve awards:
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  • Best Supporting Actor (Hugh Griffith)
  • Best Adapted Screenplay (Karl Tunberg)
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-Harper Lee publishes “To Kill a Mockingbird”, which goes on to win the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 1961
-Audiences in Hamburg, Germany are introduced to a new English rock band called The Beatles. Formerly known as The Quarrymen, The Beatles’ line-up consists of John Lennon (age 19), Paul McCartney (age 18), George Harrison (age 17), Stuart Sutcliffe (age 20), and Pete Best (age 18)
-At the Summer Olympics in Rome, Italy, an eighteen-year-old African-American from Louisville, Kentucky named Cassius Clay wins the gold medal in the boxing light heavyweight division
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-Nearly 90% of homes in the United States now own a television set. “I Love Lucy” (CBS) goes off the air after a nine-year run, William Hanna and Joseph Barbera gives primetime an animated series called “The Flintstones” (ABC), and Andy Griffith and Don Knotts team up to police a small North Carolina town on “The Andy Griffith Show” (CBS)
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On a side note...

[video=youtube;d8m4zM9kfY4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8m4zM9kfY4&feature=related[/video]

...I love TAGS. :rofl:
 
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Awww.... I want Bob McNamara! Have you seen The Fog of War? That might persuade you.

Also, how's Ed Wood doing? And more importantly, when does Vault-Tech open its doors?

And I think that you might not want to try and avoid playing Creedence when the Presidents go to Vietnam, it's great mood music for that whole era.

But can the party afford to split itself going into this election? Mightn't Johnson be a sensible uniter? Plus Johnson is IMHO, despite his many failings, underrated as president. Though he did abuse Hubert Humphrey which is in my book unforgivable. Actually, whatever happened to Hubert? And may we see some of his charming protege Fritz? He's a really nice guy and a family friend so I figured I ought to put in a good word.

Looking toward the future, can we expect an American victory in Vietnam? Especially since there is no immediate risk of war with Commie China should we decide to shut down Uncle Ho once and for all.

Can you make this a scenario? Pretty Please?

Also, when can we get some spy stuff? How's the old CIA doin' anyway? I hope that the spooks are busy as always. Maybe we can even get Chaing couped! Wouldn't that be fun! The ungrateful, backstabbing SOB deserves to be whacked in any case. What nations are currently pursuing nuclear research, outside of the US, the UK, France and the Russkies? I assume Chaing's enough of a paranoid coot to want some sort of deterrent in case he is too blatantly treacherous, IIRC he tried to build a bomb on Taiwan in OTL. But is anybody else trying to horn in on the nuclear arms game? I think that without the Six-Day-War, Israel might not feel the same pressure for deterrence it felt OTL, especially since Sparkman isn't on good terms with the nation, they might not want to upset their greatest benefactor. On the other hand, there might be paranoia about American abandonment, actually accelerating... DANGIT MIDDLE EAST!
 
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H.Appleby: I have seen that film. I just want someone else to run the Pentagon, that's all. Nothing personal against Bob.

Ed Wood is more-or-less following his OTL path. As for Vault-Tech, I am not sure what it is.

As for Creedence, I didn't say I would avoid them. I will figure them out when I get to that point.

I don't see why not. Don't forget: Truman won even though the Democrats were split in OTL 1948. It helped him that Dewey ran a horrible campaign. I think Jackson could still win if he played his cards right.

I like LBJ, but if I were Jackson, I would take a good hard look at Midwestern Veep candidates like Humphrey since the Midwest is a must-hold region in order to offset the lost of several Southern states.

Good song by the way. Whatever happened to Hubert you ask? He has been a very busy Senator, leading Progressive Democrats and holding Sparkman's feet to the fire on civil rights. Remember the Humphrey Quarantine in 1954? Ever since Robert Taft died, Humphrey has been the antagonist who has kept this story going.

Walter Mondale...I like him. I have his memoir. He's one of the people on my list of possible Presidents. I think he is a fasinating what-if. What if he had won in 1984 instead of Reagan? What might the political climate look like in 1992 if Mondale is a two-termer?

I don't know if America will win in Vietnam. It might be possible that America finds another way to lose the war.

The CIA is busy. They just overthrew the Batista government in Cuba, keeping an eye on Chiang, and running U-2 flights over the Soviet Union. What could possibly go wrong with the U-2 flights?

I don't want to coup Chaing. He's too much fun.

At the moment, only France is pursuing nuclear research. I have been tossing around the idea that Chiang develops nuclear weapons sometime in the near future. He might get help from the Soviets, but I am not sure if they would do so.

As for Israel, since Sparkman has forged peace (contentious it might be) between her and Egypt, her position in the Middle East should be a little more secure. But she might develop them regardless. America never abandoned Israel; what Sparkman has done is look beyond Israel to improve relations with other Arab nations. His biggest success is Egypt, where Naguib is still in power and Nasser is safely tucked aside and not in a position to do much harm.
 
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Okay, that's not a problem; I just like Mr. McNamara for the nerd cred.

As for Ed Wood, that's a little sad 'cause by now he's an embittered, drunken old man who makes porn for a living. Yeah, he had a kind of crappy life after Plan 9.

As for Vault-Tech, it's the company that built all the bomb shelters as a sinister government experiment in Fallout

I completely agree that Scoop could win, and I definitely want to see him win; (I'm not a huge fan of either Knowland or Rockefeller).

I actually remember, and if we see more HH and Fritz, all is forgiven for not having Harry in the White House.

Well, I think that Fritz is a pretty fascinating prospect, I just cannot believe that he was saddled with being running mate to that peanut eating hick with zero brain cells and a few too few great-grandparents who now runs around criticizing America for not being stupid enough to re-elect him. That bastard ruined Mr. Mondale's career! Can you have the swimming rabbit kill that SOB for me? I may even forgive killing Serling if you get rid of the man who is the equivalent of America's bitter ex.

Speaking of spooks, did you pull off Ajax? Or will we have to find another place for Kermit to be useful?

Oh, definitely research ARAPNET ASAP, so that we can get Al Gore to invent the internet when he was just a wee child prodigy.
 
Looking at the maps on the OP, I just realized how many problems the Soviets and various Chinese states will have once the USSR collapses. First off, who gets Soviet Manchuria? The Russkies probably can't keep it, but giving it to the Mongols or Nationalist China might not work either... maybe the Soviets will try some sort of settlement policy like in Kaliningrad, so that it'll be ethnically Russian? Moreover, Xibei San Ma controls some portions of majority Uighur territory, territory that really belongs to Xinjiang, the Uighur state. And will Mongolia make a grab for the portions of Inner Mongolia it doesn't occupy when Red China and Xibie go under? More than that, how in the world will Bulgaria deal w/Macedonia? There's got to be at least some unrest in them thar hills. Why didn't the SU annex Ruthenia?
 
H.Appleby: I think it is odd that Paradox didn't include McNamara and Robert Kennedy as ministers for JFK. I think RFK should be pretty obvious, considering he was the Attorney General.

Unfortunately, not everyone can be like Ritchie Valens and have a better life in this universe. Some people are still doomed to fail.

No wonder I never heard of Vault-Tech; I have never played Fallout.

It will be interesting to see what 1964 looks like if Jackson wins.

We'll definitely see more of Humphrey, and Fritz will come along in due time.

Want to know something weird? Just today I saw Jimmy Carter on television with Paula Deen. What timing! :ninja:

Some of the things Fritz campaigned for in 1984 are things that I can go along with, primarily his position on lowering the debt. That's one of the problems I have with Reagan: his economic policies, while successful in turning the economy around, shot up federal budget deficits and grew the national debt.

While I am not a big fan of Jimmy Carter either, I wouldn't go that far in describing him.

Of course, the easiest way to deal with Carter is simply prevent him from becoming President. If you take out Watergate and the whole Nixon resigning thing, you take the "I will never lie to you" appeal away from Carter. I think the main reason he became President was because Nixon screwed up so badly.

There is no Ajax because Iran is a British puppet. If the Iranian Revolution happens in 1979 and overthrows the British puppet government, it will be Margaret Thatcher's problem and not America's. Considering how she handled the Falklands War thirty years ago...

ARAPNET will still get developed (maybe earlier).

Thank you for your signature shout-out, by the way. :)

H.Appleby: Back for more, eh?

I don't see why the Russians can't keep Soviet Manchuria. They would have had a couple decades to intergrate their portion of Manchuria into the country.

Interesting point about Uighur. Maybe Xibei San Ma and Xinjiang can combine to form a united Uighur state?

If Mongolia tries to make a grab for land, I think it will be to get a Pacific coastline. At the moment, they have a treaty with Chiang granting them river access in Chinese Manchuria.

How in the world will Bulgaria deal with Macedonia? Probably not well.

Why didn't the Soviet Union annex Ruthenia? That's just the way my redrawing came out. I redrew all the European and Asian borders because the game did a horrible job with it.
 
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Some of the things Fritz campaigned for in 1984 are things that I can go along with, primarily his position on lowering the debt. That's one of the problems I have with Reagan: his economic policies, while successful in turning the economy around, shot up federal budget deficits and grew the national debt.

While I am not a big fan of Jimmy Carter either, I wouldn't go that far in describing him.

Thank you for your signature shout-out, by the way. :)

Interesting point about Uighur. Maybe Xibei San Ma and Xinjiang can combine to form a united Uighur state?

1) Yeah, Fritz is a really great guy though, but much too honest for his own good.

2) Yeah, I feel pretty strongly about Jimmeh mainly because I think that he screwed over both the nation and Fritz Mondale, neither of which is forgivable in my book.

3) Oh Nathan, I'll always be creepily stalkerish in following your AAR, it's too awesome for me not to obsess over. Seriously, each new update on this thing makes my frickin' day.

4) I think that just the eastern half of Xibei is Uighur majority.

Also your "Intro to Vietnam" Update must be called Bad Moon Rising and the first combat update must be called Run Through The Jungle
 
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H.Appleby: Mondale: "I will raise your taxes."

Election Night: One state.

Connection, perhaps? :laugh:

I am starting to suspect you might be a Minnesota fan.

Thank you, I guess. :laugh:

I guess I should have taken the Uighur factor into consideration when balkanizing China. Then again, I am no worse off than people who actually do draw maps.

I will tell you what: if you mail me one of their CDs, I will make them the official band for this AAR.

c0d5579: I remember him. He was one of the people interviewed for ABC News' 20th Century miniseries back in the late 1990s.

H.Appleby: Why not? I have written updates listening to this.

Of course, it has nothing to do with any of my updates but still...

By the way, I am working on something special. :cool:
 
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H.Appleby: Mondale: "I will raise your taxes."

Election Night: One state.

Connection, perhaps? :laugh:

I am starting to suspect you might be a Minnesota fan.

Thank you, I guess. :laugh:

...

I will tell you what: if you mail me one of their CDs, I will make them the official band for this AAR.

...

By the way, I am working on something special. :cool:

1) He was way too honest for his own good, "I won't be Santa Claus" and what not.

2)Naah... I'm a Virginian through and through, I just know and admire Mr. Mondale as a person and a politician and I want to see him end up with a better lot in life than being the dude who played second fiddle to a hick with a banjo and then lost to a man who was straight man to a chimp.

3)That's the nervous, back away slowly and don't make eye contact type of laughter. Tell me about the lambs Nathan...

4) If you send me their mailing address I will do just that, PM me.

5) I am excited to hear that! I can't wait to see what surprise you're cooking up!
 
H.Appleby: At least he wasn't riding around in a tank with a goofy look on his face like his 1988 successor ended up doing.

I'll see what I can do. Since the Republicans won the Minnesota Senate seat in 1958 (thus preventing Eugene McCarthy from making it into the Senate), I'll probably run Mondale for it as the Democratic candidate in 1964. If he wins, then you might have the tag team of Humphrey and Mondale representing Minnesota in the Senate.

"Umm...no thanks. I am a vegetentarian. Ignore that half-eaten hamburger sitting on the table." :laugh:

Whose mailing address?

What I am working on is a retrospective of the 1950s highlighting things to remember about the decade now past. Think of it as a refresher course.
 
Your's silly!

You do want the CD no?

And color me excited for the retrospective! Also, this completely OT but I just found an awesome song it's not CCR.
 
Ahhhh excellent, a refresher of the '50s is exactly what we need I think, and now we also have the benefit of hindsight to fully appreciate all the events of the era. It's amazing to think that it's taken 54 pages to reach the 1960s, but that's just a testament to the depth and plausibility of the AAR that it explores what might have been so exhaustively.

We've had three Soviet leaders and three US Presidents, and plenty in between. Looking forward to it :)
 
Just thinking about Vietnam again, can the Hmong not get completely screwed TTL? Vang Pao was an awesome dude and it's a shame that the Hmong ended up in the situation they are in.
 
One Idea for the future of China:


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That little Chinese exclave in Manchuria is going to be trouble, mark my words...


Also, as I think is obvious; I expect the Vietnam section of this AAR to feature a rockin' 60's soundtrack with CCR, The Stones, Steppenwolf, Jefferson Airplane, etc.
 
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H.Appleby: If you are really serious about it...

Okay...kinda random. :p

Andreios II: Thank you very much for your compliment. :)

As I work on the refresher update, one thought keeps striking me:

"Dang, I wrote a lot."

Now that I think about it, in the thirty-one story years since this AAR began (1929-1960), we have gone through seven Presidents. One got kicked out of office after one term (Hoover), two have been two-termers (Roosevelt and Dewey), two have died in office (Willkie and Stevenson), and two have been accidental (Vandenberg and Sparkman).

H.Appleby: We will see what happens.

H.Appleby: Thank you for your China idea. I like it.

I am going to try something in a few updates from now based on what you said. :cool:
 
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