Luxenbourg

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Hi guys!
This mod-version is really amazing.
I have created a Geat-German Empire in 1.1 and earlies this event never came...

Could someone change the 3 provinces of Lux. becoming national provinces of Germany?

Btw: Can you change the name Germany into German Empire (or Great-German Empire)?

Greets!

 

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Luxemburg exists of one single province, not three, and I guess. Perhaps you're confused with the Walloon provinces Germany annexed (Arlon, Bastogne, Namur and Liège). The reason they aren't national provinces is the way Kaiserreich handles cores. We use them to represent the peoples acceptance of their government, not to represent a government claiming some area as their own. The people of Luxembourg speak a language that is a mixture of French and German, with French being the most common second language. As such they have little in common with the Empire that annexed them. Not giving Germany cores on them represents Luxemburgian (and Walloon) unhappiness about them being annexed to Germany and their passive resistance against Berlin.

 

[LordInsane]

Luxemburg exists of one single province, not three, and I guess. Perhaps you're confused with the Walloon provinces Germany annexed (Arlon, Bastogne, Namur and Liège). The reason they aren't national provinces is the way Kaiserreich handles cores. We use them to represent the peoples acceptance of their government, not to represent a government claiming some area as their own. The people of Luxembourg speak a language that is a mixture of French and German, with French being the most common second language. As such they have little in common with the Empire that annexed them. Not giving Germany cores on them represents Luxemburgian (and Walloon) unhappiness about them being annexed to Germany and their passive resistance against Berlin.

Actually, Luxemburg does exist as three provinces. It's just that two of them, before the war, weren't a part of the state of Luxembourg, but of the region known as, er, Belgian Luxembourg.
As for the reasoning why cores are not had, hm. To be honest, IMO there are plenty of core-gains that are much more unrealistic and peculiar than Germany having cores on Luxemburg.
For one, the 'mixture of French of German' is still more German than French, and they do have a lot in common with areas that Germany has cores on.

 

[Ofaloaf]

Not to mention that Luxembourg was, historically, part of the German Confederation up until its dissolution in 1866 and went through several annexation scares (or annexation flirtations, depending) between then and WWI. Depending on the circumstances, some Luxembourgers advocated union with the Netherlands or Belgium, while at other times the Germans seemed to be winning support. I'd imagine that 16 years' time would be enough the legitimize the Kaiser's rule, given the precedents.

 

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Belgian Luxembourg is thorougly Walloon and has nothing in common with the Grand Duchy besides the name. According to Kaiserreich canon, Eastern Wallonia is under German occupation and there is an event in place for the Germans to return it to Flanders-Wallonia.

The Grand Duchy was annexed after the war and is now an (unwilling) part of the Empire. Legally its German, but Kaiserreich doesn't use cores to represent legal ownership, it uses them to represent peoples willingness to support the regime. The fact Luxembourgians don't speak German but Letzeburgs (a strange mix of French and German), fought en masse in the French army during WW1 and have never been part of Germany or the German Empire since the Middle Ages (the Confederation doesn't count IMO) I think most Luxembourgians are less than happy to be part of the Empire. 16 years is enough to break any active resistance (no partisans), but not enough to make the people forget about independence.

 

[LordInsane]

A strange mix closer to German, and very close to the German dialects spoken in the closest German provinces with cores, and 'nothing in common' is... not entirely correct. For one, Letzeburgs is spoken in parts of Belgian Luxemburg. In regards to never having been a part of Germany since the Middle Ages, wrong. The Netherlands broke away from the HRE, but the Southern Netherlands remained.

TBH, the logic presented would have been far more convincing if it wasn't for province 530. Seriously, Luxemburg cannot become a German core, but France starts with a core on Swiss territory?

 

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Luxembourgish is a West Central German dialect, and has a certain degree of mutual intelligibility with standard German, while having very little mutual intelligibility with French or any other Romance dialects in the Rhineland area - but it does have a fair number of French loanwords.

As for the three-provinces thing, I think that was referring to the fact that, if you try to liberate Luxembourg in the game, they get three provinces - one from pre-war Luxembourg, the other two from the Luxembourgish-speaking regions of Wallonia.

 

[LordInsane]

As for the three-provinces thing, I think that was referring to the fact that, if you try to liberate Luxembourg in the game, they get three provinces - one from pre-war Luxembourg, the other two from the Luxembourgish-speaking regions of Wallonia.

Actually, no. The other two are from Belgian Luxembourg, but while they do have ties with the pre-War state of Luxembourg a fair bit more extensive than 'nothing in common besides the name', Luxembourgish is only a minority language.