Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[Tommy4ever]

Well at the top this is the score: DAs - 28, M-Ls - 26. Still everything to play for.

BTW, now that the syndacalism thing is being discussed, what do you guys think of my representation of it in the NatCom election Manifesto?

 

[Zakharov]

Well at the top this is the score: DAs - 28, M-Ls - 26. Still everything to play for.

BTW, now that the syndacalism thing is being discussed, what do you guys think of my representation of it in the NatCom election Manifesto?

Without all the nationalist crap, i think i would have voted for them, like many people. We definitively need a multi-stage system, with local soviet, corporatist unions, and marxist central government. Local soviet to manage day-to-day local affairs,corporatist unions to hear the wish of the differents industries (i consider agriculture an industry in this case, so we would have a farmer union to defend them), and a central government to see the great plan, create new industries, and make large investments in difficult areas where the local soviet can't deal with, for example, huge unemployement problem.

But the Naki nationalist views are ruining this

 

[Necazian]

Without all the nationalist crap, i think i would have voted for them, like many people. We definitively need a multi-stage system, with local soviet, corporatist unions, and marxist central government. Local soviet to manage day-to-day local affairs,corporatist unions to hear the wish of the differents industries (i consider agriculture an industry in this case, so we would have a farmer union to defend them), and a central government to see the great plan, create new industries, and make large investments in difficult areas where the local soviet can't deal with, for example, huge unemployement problem.

But the Naki nationalist views are ruining this

Agreed.

 

[Phalanxia]

For freedom, for peace... Anarcho-Kadonists

Err...You do realise that the Anarcho-Kadonists want to overthrow the state via means of a brutal civil war, right?

Besides, it's not as if they're going to win at this stage. If you want to ensure that Trotsky does not become chairman, change your vote to the Democratic Anarchists!

 

[yourworstnightm]

Err...You do realise that the Anarcho-Kadonists want to overthrow the state via means of a brutal civil war, right?

Besides, it's not as if they're going to win at this stage. If you want to ensure that Trotsky does not become chairman, change your vote to the Democratic Anarchists!

That's not in their election manifesto. The Anarcho- Kadonists want to dissolve the State, but not through violence (yet). I wonder who will get more of the Worker's vote: Democratic Anarchists or Anarcho- Kadonists?

 

[TheArchMede]

Democratic Anarchists.

Our socialism has become increasingly imperial in nature. The workers throughout the Comintern have merely swapped their local capitalist masters, for VSVR imperialists. The Comintern governments have to be kept in power by imperial VSVR garrisons, because otherwise the natural anger of the local workers at having the product of their labour expropriated for the benefit of the VSVR would result in their overthrow by a popular revolution.

The Democratic Anarchists are the party which come closest to recognising that the Comintern should be organised for the benefit of all its workers, rather than being a Sphere of Imperialism where the workers of other countries toil to feed the demands of the workers of the VSVR.

The economic policies of Lenin and Trotsky have not succeeded because they are good for the workers of the world. They have succeeded by the expanding the VSVR Sphere of Imperialism and expropriating the workers of other socialist states to cover up the deficiencies in the government of the VSVR.

The Comintern should be a mutual alliance for the protection against imperialists, not the biggest Empire the world has ever seen.

It is time to end the treacherous behaviour of the VSVR to other communist states. It starts with a promise to protect them against bourgeoise counter-revolutionaries, but soon the VSVR betrays those that thought we were their comrades. Power over their own economy is removed from them and if they rise up in revolt against the new imperialists, a VSVR garrison is sent to brutally suppress them.

There are states in the world today where the workers are dying of scurvy because all the local fruit production has been commandeered by their overlords and shipped out to be fermented into wine to place on the tables of their imperial masters. Is this not outrageous behaviour? Should not the VSVR put a stop to this?

This is the economic "success" of Lenin and Trotsky. They have turned the Comintern into a Empire of Exploitation where the workers of other countries pay the price to put luxuries onto our tables.

Stop the exploitation of other communist governments. Dissolve the Sphere of Imperialism and turn the Comintern into an alliance for mutual benefit not a fig leaf for imperial exploitation.

(I don't know for sure that this is what is happening in this game, but my experience of playing Vic2 means that I am pretty sure that the economy of a Great Power inevitably exploits its SOI in this way)

 

[Andrzej I]

Read the election post again. Specifically, the bit in bold.

Oh! I guess previous elections misled me. Thank you for the correction there

 

[Seek75]

That's not in their election manifesto. The Anarcho- Kadonists want to dissolve the State, but not through violence (yet). I wonder who will get more of the Worker's vote: Democratic Anarchists or Anarcho- Kadonists?

The Soviets are the single most important facet of our Republic. They are the basis of our next step in the development towards a stateless society Comrades. Any attack on them is an attack on the proletariat themselves. Any further attack on them by that vile Tyrant – Trotsky – shall be met with force.
If Trotsky is re-elected every true defender of the proletariat must take up arms to liberate us from the Marxist statists.

*cough*

 

[Danking]

The Anarchists, have always been the same
since the revolution in mid 19 century till, now.
They started the bloodiest civil war in our history, now they want to start another one
with greed and only greed as their motivation.
Viva Trotsky!

 

[yourworstnightm]

The Anarchists, have always been the same
since the revolution in mid 19 century till, now.
They started the bloodiest civil war in our history, now they want to start another one
with greed and only greed as their motivation.
Viva Trotsky!

Anarchists have always been troublemakers, but Lenin started that war, not the Anarchists. Do not diminish the awesomeness of Lenin. Lenin started the war beacuse he was awesome.

 

[Enewald]

Comrades, your votes decide the next chairman, There will be no coalition.
Even if you disagree with some points of the Democratic Anarchist manifesto, you should vote for us, unless you desire a Marxists victory and Trotsky as a chairman!

Keep Trotsky away from power, vote for Democratic Anarchists!
Luxemburgists, Kadonists ans NC's, join us and stop Trotsky!
We need your help!!!

 

[Konnigratz]

Comrades, your votes decide the next chairman, There will be no coalition.
Even if you disagree with some points of the Democratic Anarchist manifesto, you should vote for us, unless you desire a Marxists victory and Trotsky as a chairman!

Keep Trotsky away from power, vote for Democratic Anarchists!
Luxemburgists, Kadonists ans NC's, join us and stop Trotsky!
We need your help!!!

Who has the best track record for government? The Marxists, who, time after time, have overseen the growth of industry on a massive scale, liberated millions, and have in general been incredibly competent? Or the Anarchists, who, despite having only been in power for three years in the whole history of the VSVR, managed to sell the soul of the state to the Unions, cause millions and millions of workers to go on strike, almost starve the people through high tariffs and taxes, and forced us to beg for a loan from Britain?

The choice is clear, comrades. Vote for Trotsky for prosperity, success and the revolution. Vote Anarchist for poverty, failure and stagnation!

 

[Xanthippus]

Anarchists, who, despite having only been in power for three years in the whole history of the VSVR, managed to sell the soul of the state to the Unions, cause millions and millions of workers to go on strike, almost starve the people through high tariffs and taxes, and forced us to beg for a loan from Britain?

The choice is clear, comrades. Vote for Trotsky for prosperity, success and the revolution. Vote Anarchist for poverty, failure and stagnation!

That was the Independents, a Marxist group, not the Anarchists. The Anarchists haven't been permitted to show what they can do yet. And might I remind you that the most Marxist economic policy yet, 'from each according to need, to each according to ability', had been espoused only by Goldman, an Anarchist.

 

[Phalanxia]

Besides, the DAs are a combination of the Anarchist and non-Anarchist right, meaning that we're not going to be as extreme as the A-Ks

 

[Konnigratz]

That was the Independents, a Marxist group, not the Anarchists. The Anarchists haven't been permitted to show what they can do yet. And might I remind you that the most Marxist economic policy yet, 'from each according to need, to each according to ability', had been espoused only by Goldman, an Anarchist.

Were the Anarchists not the leaders of the coalition? The ones who were supposed to be in charge? You cannot unload the failures of the only Anarchist government onto the Independents.
And the Democratic Anarchists also preach something which stands completely against Marxism. Co-existence with the bourgeoisie powers. A sensible foreign policy for the time being is one which avoids war, but still maintains hostile relations with the capitalist aggressors.

 

[Lenin Cat]

That was the Independents, a Marxist group, not the Anarchists. The Anarchists haven't been permitted to show what they can do yet. And might I remind you that the most Marxist economic policy yet, 'from each according to need, to each according to ability', had been espoused only by Goldman, an Anarchist.

We cannot have the free exchange of goods in a gift economy until class's all over the entire world are eliminated and there are ample supply's of goods. This is basic marxism.

 

[WelshDude]

The Anarchists, have always been the same
since the revolution in mid 19 century till, now.
They started the bloodiest civil war in our history, now they want to start another one
with greed and only greed as their motivation.
Viva Trotsky!

 

[Enewald]

Were the Anarchists not the leaders of the coalition? The ones who were supposed to be in charge? You cannot unload the failures of the only Anarchist government onto the Independents.
And the Democratic Anarchists also preach something which stands completely against Marxism. Co-existence with the bourgeoisie powers. A sensible foreign policy for the time being is one which avoids war, but still maintains hostile relations with the capitalist aggressors.

No, we do not want hostile foreign relations, but rather we seek to enlighten the world with words, we do not force change with guns.
The anarchists did not control independents, the coalition was a miserable failure and anarchists were unable to do as they would have wanted.
Was it not the Marxists that begun the civil war? Did you not rise against the state?
Is it that you can only achieve change through violence?

Indeed we preach against Marxism, which is nowadays an ideology that demands blood to flow. And we stand with pride against your violent policies.

Wars is just a continuation of diplomacy. Sensible diplomacy prevents wars.

Vote for Democratic Anarchists!

 

[Lenin Cat]

A war of liberation would be much less bloody then a local proletarian uprising.

 

[Enewald]

A war of liberation would be much less bloody then a local proletarian uprising.

But we can avoid both by persuading the locals to accept democracy and vote for a socialist future.
The VSVR cannot force the world to become socialist, the world needs not to be pushed around by our armies, but rather it should be guided by our ideals.
Let the VSVR shine as a beacon of light, hope and freedom for the world.
Otherwise we will look like Mordor to the rest of the world