I noticed that while a nation is attempting to westernize they have Western Tech. Which means they aren't horde or muslim or indian tech and thus you can go for vassalizing. As for Portugal...fight!
That's interesting. I'll test it if I get a chance.
Option number two, please.
If I'd have known about the disadvantages of protecting OPMs, I probably wouldn't have gone for Arakan, but what can you do? Not really a mechanic I've played with yet, as I say. I'll have to take a look next time I'm playing the Netherlands or some such.
Yeah, this mechanic is untested. And not just by players..
It is sometimes worth as the only otion on large nations with lots of trade power. Other times you just want to storm in, muskets blazing, and demand every high trade power province in the vicinity.
A straightforward option! However, not without its setbacks, sicne annexing more states before I finished my current cores might be trouble. Still, it might be better in the long run.
Option 3: My guess is that you'll just fight the Iberians for their colonies in the Indian Ocean, so they won't bother you again. Afterwards, you can try to ally them again.
I was never allied to them. Castile has started the weird oscillating relations thing until it just straight out rivaled me.
4, your troops are too divided due to the constant rebels. You can always hit them later, colonies cost nothing in a peace deal. If you lose the war you could lose all of your Indian progress.
I don't know about losing all of my Indian progress, but I was overextended, war exhausted and yeah, I had troops everywhere. However, that likely won't change, as I'll always need 2-3 distant military outposts so transporting troops there won't take months in case of rebellion or war.
I'd go for 4. but my guess based on past performance is that you will go for 3.
Sir! Are you calling me a good-for-nothing warmonger?
Because if so, thank you!
Whilst I'd go for 4, you do still need it for pseudo master of India. I'll go 2, because most people have guessed 3 already, and you want to play around with these new mechanics more
Taking the dark horse option? That could work. Anyway, it is possible they'll patch the achievement, because right now it has been made more of a pain than something to be proud of.
I'm interested in that nobody guessed 1. I guess you might have sensed that my interest in Protectorates is waning.
While news indicate that Paradox is working on a DLC that would be relevant for
East India, I doubt it will come out before I'm either very far or nearly done with the game. Which I guess means that someone reading this sometime into the future (Hello future person, how are the hover cars coming along?) will wonder why the heck I'm not using India properly.
11. November 1664 - 11. November 1674
I chose option 2: Make a speedy protectorate of Madurai while disregarding Brunei. I needed to limit Portugal’s Indian expansion, but at the same time, I could not afford to increase overextension further by demanding colonies from Castile or Portugal.
This, as Serbia showed me not too long ago, would propel me into joining the Madurai on the defensive side.. Only I forgot another nasty side effect of doing things this way that made me regret my choice:
Since this was
technically a defensive war, the moment I become war leader, the AI automatically calls in my ally, Poland, who is a land power in EUROPE. They understandable REFUSE BECAUSE IT IS A STUPID WAR THEY CANNOT BLOODY HELP WITH. The good news is that our alliance was only broken for the next
600 years.
Sorry Poland. I don't decide how I feel about you. The game does. And it has decided that I HATE YOU FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER
It makes no sense! Stop telling me
how I feel about other AI nations! In addition, stop calling in my allies automatically when I'm attacked, if it's going to break the game that badly.
But okay, I now had a war to fight with Portugal to defend my new useless protectorate. Let's get to it.
War goal: Enforce a white peace. End it with a quick and clean victory.
This was not quite enough warscore to demand a white peace, and if you look at the above screenshot, you'll notice that I am involved in two wars:
- One with Portugal and it's colonial henchmen.
- Another one with Oudh attacking for a province belonging to Marathas
The second war I decided to use to my advantage: I would move my East Indian troops to Oudh gain a complete victory and demand that they become a protectorate of mine.
To celebrate our new advances in India against Portugal and Oudh, rations for soldiers now included real bread instead of sawdust cake.
Haha, You lucky bastards are being spoiled rotten. The Seamen have to eat biscuits, fruits and these tiny black fish eggs and drink musky beer.
Meanwhile, two simultaneous rebellions happened in Arabia, delaying my missionaries.. Muscat actually took so long to walk to through Najd that the province fell to the siege.
Now, in order to get relations up with Madurai in time, I had allied them, forgetting that snapping an alliance gave -1 stability. Huge bummer, but I had to in order to make it in time and I simply had to deal with that by breaking the alliance to avoid wasting diplomatic points. However, for some reason, breaking Naples' alliance with Madurai also meant that
they failed our call to war. What war and how the &#%¤&¤ that makes any bloody sense, I'll leave to you, but I lost two stability points instead of one for reasons I can't phantom.
Look, I don't usually turn that nasty at this game but.. the entire protectorate system is a broken piece of untransparant garbage that has just ruined two of my alliances - permanently. Completely random and nonsensical stuff like above just keeps popping up using the system, and it almost made me lose all my desire to play the rest of the session then and there. If this wasn't Ironman, I would consider this entirely justifiable ground to just redo the session from the beginning. Man, not only England from before but also Poland - an ally I've had since the beginning of the game, ruined for the entire campaign - because of a buggy, half-baked feature, that the developers should *never* have included.
The session isn't ruined, but the game mechanics are essentially forcing me to live without allies, because who knows when the next silly protectorate war will happen and all of my alliances will break forever? I'll run out of nations to ally at some point. I know 1.5 is aiming to fix this and I hope they reduce the relations hit I have with Poland and England right now, because I'm pretty sad I can't resume alliances with them at this point, because of how the AI assumed that I feel about them, and not the other way around.
But to make the best of it, at least Gioachino II decided to leave more legacy than his eastward expansion behind.
* May be misleading or a complete fabrication.
Oh right, the wars.
In the fall of 1665, a Portuguese Light Ship navy blindsided my small trade fleet guarding the Venetian node after sneaking into the Mediterranean. After hunting them around the Mediterranean Sea for half a year, I finally get my revenge on them as I split my navy up and caught some of their light ships.
I also decimated their little landing party.
In India, Oudh decided to walk past my northward advancing army. Cue me turning back and walking all the way back across India to attack them and head north again.
Afterwards, it was simply a question of carpet sieging Oudh and waiting for Portugal to get tired of Madurai.
In September 1666, Portugal agreed to a white peace. India, Besides the Maldives, was safe from Iberian ambitions.
When I had finally completely defeated Oudh, and it came to negotiating a peace, I got some bad news. Since Madurai was the one who had occupied the capital, I could not negotiate them becoming a protectorate, so I had to take this deal in July 1667.
During and after the wars, Muscat rebelled
again while I was busy moving to the other half of the southern Arabian Peninsula. Then Mamluks rebels arose in Alexandria. Then a rebellion in Friuli. Then in Morea. Then in Muscat again. Then in Qasr Ibrim (Southern Egypt). Then Aswan and Suakin, then Asir... I think you're getting the point. There was a rebellion about once every three months. At times, I also had to come to the aid of Marathas, which was suffering from its own national revolts.
Well, at least those particular rebels don't care about our wine! At least not until the Neapolitan Inquisition finishes teaching them to enjoy the blood of Orthodox Christ.
At this point, I decided to cool the hell down, until the main factors inciting these rebellions were dealt with. At the very least, I would let all cores finish, before continuing expansion. Additionally, I would waste no more admin points, unless I absolutely had to before getting to administrative level 22.
On the bright side, France soon left the coalition against Naples, leaving it without a hate club for the first time in many years. I guess turning my focus towards the east helped cool things a bit down first. Worry not; it is temporary.
I spent some amounts of time just sitting back, building up infrastructure (trade and military to save admin points), optimizing trade and murdering thousands upon thousands of rebels. I also got to become world leading trade in Cotton.
Take that, southern North America!
Hell, the harvests were amazing. Never had the country produced as much kha.. err, grain. Yes, amazing grain.
I got this event repeated a little less than a year later.
However, as the wheel of fortune giveth, it also taketh away. Mostly the latter.
And the comitee for the preservation of the holy codpiece of Jesus Christ was born.
I had also started coring provinces from Yemen once they finally became Orthodox.
Then it dawned on me in April 1669: Why was I wasting administrative points on that? There was a simpler way to get cores on those provinces without spending ~100 administrative points!
War. The answer is always war.
Wargoal: Vassalize Yemen
Looking at the morale of those troops and informing you that Tripoli bailed on its ally, I'll leave you to imagine how the war went.
Meanwhile, a group of generals - Who normally receive daily rations with
two loafs of bread - complained about unfair prioritization. Rubbish.
Sadly, during the war with Yemen, King Gioachino II died a mysterious death, seemingly having choked on old, moldy bread in his command tent. In another, completely unrelated event, army rations were re-organized.
King Ferrante II took the reins from his older brother. Neither of two brother's royal jewels had given to either little sapphires or rubies, and so there were no heir apparent. On the bright side, King Gioachino II had soundly removed all infamy related with his low birth, and Legitimacy was now at 100.
(Weirdly enough, I lost 2 stability. Is my memory wrong or isn't it supposed to be 1 stability? Was this one for Hungary because of the personal union, I wonder?)
Lacking any decent choices in new mission, Ferrante II picked one to conquer Savoie (the province, not the entire nation). First came finishing Yemen, though.
In February the core on Zeta finishes, which makes everything a bit easier.
Meanwhile, Portugal declared war on Sind (an important center of trade in the Indus node, the western and lesser of the three Indian nodes) and I could do nothing about it. Suppose I'll just have to put it on my to-do list for future wars - thing is that I can't actually use right now anyway, since the extra merchant from the expansion idea set will be used for the Bengal node.
YOU WILL LIVE TO REGRET THIS (if you live for another 30 or so years when I am in a position to deal with it)
In May 1670 the war with Yemen finished, and I soon en-act my plan to cancel coring of the former.. Yemenese? Yemenite? Yeah, Yemenite. Provinces and instead sell them back to my new vassal.
Yeah I'm being a bit of a cheap bastard, but I work with what I have, when the game won't let me have admin points.
Speaking of being a cheap bastard, the increased production efficiency in Edirne (again!) is quickly put to work for the state - can't trust those peasants to have too many things. They’ll get strange ideas.
In December 1670, Karaman was annexed. I soon sent missionaries to convert the provinces. Over the next couple of years, I also decide to sweep the region for minor nations, Mentese and mighty Aq Qoyunlu, that are Ottoman cores and then sell them back. Here's Anatolia near the end of the session.
While this was happening, Neapolitan diplomats were struggling in faraway Ragusa. They were told to go back home and think about what they've done for a week and then return, because the node was, what, 500 kilometers from bloody Venice?
Ladies and gentlemen: The pride of the Naples' bourgeois society.
At least our seamen were still wiggling all around the seas in search of hardened hulls to penetrate. Sometimes they might have to swarm the enemy and wear its defenses down, but the special honor is always bestowed upon he, who finally delivers the killing blow into the core. There is only room for one hero at a time, after all.
In India, my protectorates had picked up my slack for not being able to finish Oudh and more:
On more negative news, a new state suddenly popped up in the parts of Africa encapsulated by myself and Ethiopia, which I had hoped that I could reserve for my own colonists.
They're too primitive to be turned into vassals, but I might make it a protectorate in the hope that it advances enough. On the bright side, the provinces are not that rich nor do they produce very important goods anyway.
As you can maybe feel from the time passing, I was still holding back. This was because I waiting for an heir and to reach administrative tech 22, so that I could get expansion ideas.
In September 1673, Ethiopia was annexed, which gave my missionaries something to do, as rebels had managed to convert half the country.
At least our religious nutjobbery impressed everyone else.
Desperately hoping for a new heir, and also that England would soon be able to ally again, I performed a royal marriage with Great Britain, pushing
Naples' opinion to -55. This also had the amusing side effect of putting the House of Lancaster as the preferred future dynasty, if Ferrante II should fail to spread his little sailors successfully to some homely dock.
I also got a free CB on Sardinia. However, this is going to sound depressing, I had better things to do that to fight France for a Catalan province. Unless they come knocking, I probably won't use the CB anytime soon.
By the end of the session, I had been waiting almost five years for a heir to pop. That's 60 dice rolls of a 5-sided die and none of them had turned out BABY, despite the chances of that being below 1%. In other words, unless my understanding of how chance of new heir works is wrong, there's something else than statistics at work here (20% for 60 months is 0,8^60 * 100 = 0,15% of not having a baby). So while Ferrante II is getting deep into middle age himself, it seems that he might not father a child before croaking. Therefore, I've decided that was quite enough dilly-dallying for now. My war exhaustion is gone, I have no more overextension or legitimacy issues and I've built up a decent manpower reserve for once. It's time to let the (maybe last) Borghese release the Pigeons of war and make a mockery of world peace. These are on the immediate to-do list:
- Return more cores to the Ottomans from Serbia (no admin cost!).
- Annex the province of Savoie and prepare Savoy itself for vassalization. Time time to unite the Italian people's.. Under a soon-to-be English dynasty?
- Annex Görz. Hungary's integration might not be done before 1700 rears its head, but better stay ahead.
- Push Castile and Portugal out of the Indian region and Spain out of Somalia, before they can too much damage. (IE bring their trade navy along)
On a bit more long term:
- Adal. This OPM is making for fugly borders and I regret not annexing them and selling them Ethiopia before I annexed them.
- Funj, if they can get to westernize, I can vassalize them properly.
- Najd and Iraq to expand my Middle Eastern holdings, which will be directly connected with Naples.
- Mysore for Madurai? I don't even really know. I kind of want them to westernize and then vassalize them, since they're just about small enough for that if they get western tech.
Lastly, The unfortunately robotic AI constructed AI history of Gioachino II, King of Naples from 1631 to 1669. I also tried to do a quick map of the realm at the end of his reign (So Yemen isn't a vassal yet etc.). I refuse to draw protectorates accurately, as long as they are as useless as they are now. I may redo it if a future development fleshes them out, for now you get colored circles.
I suggest you right click --> open image if you actually want to read it.
Noticed something about the map: Hungary is outdated. It has more provinces than it appears. Also, I forgot to paint the seas before I resized the image - which meant that I would have to redo it since the resizing messed up editing the image something fierce. I hope you can make it out.
News of the world
- Castile has colonized Hokkaido and the Kuril Islands! ... This turned out surprisingly well for Japan, in a way.
- France is finally completely re-united and has founded an East Indian Trade Company, even though it does not have any provinces in the area as far as I can tell.
- The OPM minor Münster in the HRE and was hit by no less than 3 religious wars, one of which consisted of the Papal states defending them against other Catholics, including Austria! In the end, Trier ran with the price and forced them to be catholic.
- Meanwhile Magdeburg, which is a still an OPM, managed to force what little remains of Bremen to turn Protestant. The line is being drawn between the two religious camps in the HRE. While the protestants are in control of the imperial seat for now, Bohemia and Bavaria are each another’s throat.
- Bohemia is attack Bavaria along with half of Europe on a reconquest war. It's actually holding up quite well. For now.
- Impressively, Shawnee in North America actually manages to finish westernization. They're moderately large, albeit still about 12 tech levels behind in every category.
- Ming has gotten over its lost mandate of heaven and kicked the Mongol Khanate and Manchu's asses.
- Uzbek, a huge Nomad state, was made a protectorate of Muscovy after an "Overseas expansion". Whenever the great steppes really count as seas, I'll leave up to you.
Arbitrary Quiz
Results
DensleyBlair and Frogdude: +3 each. I could not stand more overextension, so colonial war was out and Brunei could be damned, I can invade them after I pick the important centers of trade.
New question
Let's go for the heir again. Will I have one at all by the end of the next session? A Borghese? Lancaster? Something Third? Also, Below Average (0-7 skill points), Average (7-11) or Great-Compared-To-Neapolitan-Standards (11+)? Note that Ferrante is 47 by the end of this session.