Heres a question, Can you join the commitern alliance ? does the game allow you to ?
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The Soviets are going to get attacked a 2nd time?! Who attacked them the first time?
Why would the Soviets ally with a doomed country that they are soon going to rule half of?
Poland attacked Russia after WWI in an expansion bid... Russia was in turmoil and it SEEMED like a good idea at the time...
the reason I asked is because if poland left the allied alliance and joined the commiterm (sp) then automaitcaly Russia would enter the war against Germany.
With the distraction that would cause what with Russian troops being much closer to support the Poles, there is at least a small chance that enough of the German forces would be diverted away from finishing Poland.
With the distraction that would cause what with Russian troops being much closer to support the Poles, there is at least a small chance that enough of the German forces would be diverted away from finishing Poland.
Originally posted by Longinus
now it is 4
all posted in Kasperus' aar thread. I was simply tempted by first "Polish" AAR, besides WWII was always my prime fireld of interest
Ladislav, come back to us! Bohemia will be soon recreated with full might
btw, I fully agree with Perrygreat =P
i believe it when i see it (in the nat. stats) until then im a refugee in the hoi, ck forums
Chapter 9: "Decisive moves"
2nd till 19th october, Warsaw, Headquarters of the Polish Army and Sandomierz, Military base
The final defeat of the southern front began the 3rd German offensive. In the night of 2nd october the city of Torun was lost to the German forces. The Poles did not respond to that attack. All 24 Polish divisions that had survived were now stationned in and around Warsaw. The Poles hoped that they would be able to stay alive that way till the winter at least and that the germans won`t manage a grand offensive before springs. They were wrong.
The first signs of a new, well coordinated attack was the regrouping of the German troops in the new occupied territory. The Germans sent moderately big forces to the other cities on the west-coast of the Wisla-river. The undefended cities fell without a wink: Radom the 4th october, Munkacs and Lodz the 7th. The leading staff in Warsaw just watched at it and did nothing - there was no use for that as the poorly supplied troops weren`t able to carry out any attack anyway.
11th of october the last Hungarian forces were defeated and Hungary was annexed by Germany. Another lost chance and a lost ally - not the most trustworthy one as far colonel Lewandowski assumed, but now Poland would have even allied with the devil or even worse: the USSR, if that would expell the Germans from Poland.
Now, that was an idea and Lewandowski knew that the Polish government was hard busy - under pressure of Sikorski - to bully the western allies to call for Soviet help. The allies refused, not accepting the fate of the baltic republics - now all apart from Lithuania which still fought for it.
Anyway, Lewandowski knew that the whole idea wasn`t much to liking of the army. Many high officers had fought - like him - in the Polish-Boshevik war 20 years ago and the feelings for the Soviets did not really improve much in the later years. Some of the feelings were quite paranoide probably - the Polish socialist party wasn`t that much on good terms with Moscow anyway, not to mention trying to subvert Poland into a part of USSR.
"Well, we can not give the power to peaple who kill their own generals" - he thought. Not that the Polish military-based government with all those generals could now save Poland....
Since the annexation of the Hungarians the government had enough time to do all those diplomatical avances though as the Germans were regrouping and took obviously their time for it. For Lewandowski again an example that they were using the wrong strategy. If the germans got a force strong enough to defeat the Polish Army around Warsaw then the war was lost and as long the Poles did nothing to divert the Germans from regrouping, the last had just time enough to prepare for the final blow.
Obviously, he talked about that with general Kutrzeba. The general was a smart guy who understood a lot about strategy but nothing about politics:
"No, I don`t think that it is a great idea, but I don`t know a better option colonel " - he responded at Lewandoski`s inquiry about the matter.
"We could mount a few attacks to distract the Germans again sir - we broke already a fe times through their line, perhaps we would succeed once again..."
"I don`t think so. The German front is now pretty short so it is also broad. We won`t succeed with breaking through it I`m affraid. The Germans have now just too many forces. We can only hope that our defenses will hold it."
"If the Germans use all their armies then I doubt they will sir..."
The general looked at him sadly:
"I thought it was you who said that there is always hope... Well, maybe our dear minister-general Beck will finally achieve that the Brittish and the French start an invasion on Germany... That would break the German front here." - the general stood up and walked acroos the room: - "But why would they do it now if they have not done it already? Attacking Germany so short before the winter?"
"If we can wait out till the winter we will be in advantage. The allied forces will surely attack then. In that case waging on defense is not such a bad choice.' - the general concluded.
"We have to hope that we will succeed in that sir I guess..." - Lewandowski did not agree with the general.
For a part his mood but also practical reasons got him being restationned the 18th october from Warsaw to Sandomierz where the communication-network was lost after a German bombardment. The trip was long and heavy. The trains lacked fuel and many rails were out of order, not so much because of bombardments which were scarce outside the cities in the east, but because the peasants who lacked coal stole the wood from under the rails in a few places. Lewandowski was glad that his family didn`t have to live the way the Polish people had to. They were save in Canada.
The whole trip would have lasted less than 8 hours before the war, but it took 3 times as much before Lewandowski finally arrived in the old city of Sandomierz. The city laid still pretty far from the front, but on the wrong side of the river, so it would not be defended very well. A good communication-network was still needed though and Lewandowski worked hard on that.
It took him almost two days till all worked again and they could communicate with Warsaw again without danger of information-leaks to the enemy. The front has been relatively quiet as long as the Germans were regrouping so Lewandowski did not expect many revolutionary news from Warsaw. But the message he received made his blood freeze: The Germans started their final offensive and attacked Warsaw! the whole city was under bombardments, 28 German divisions were heading toward the city! The government escaped in a hurry to Lublin and was heading toward the south to reach the Rumanian border. The war entered the decisive phase now...
The front just before the German atack on Warsaw
2nd till 19th october, Warsaw, Headquarters of the Polish Army and Sandomierz, Military base
The final defeat of the southern front began the 3rd German offensive. In the night of 2nd october the city of Torun was lost to the German forces. The Poles did not respond to that attack. All 24 Polish divisions that had survived were now stationned in and around Warsaw. The Poles hoped that they would be able to stay alive that way till the winter at least and that the germans won`t manage a grand offensive before springs. They were wrong.
The first signs of a new, well coordinated attack was the regrouping of the German troops in the new occupied territory. The Germans sent moderately big forces to the other cities on the west-coast of the Wisla-river. The undefended cities fell without a wink: Radom the 4th october, Munkacs and Lodz the 7th. The leading staff in Warsaw just watched at it and did nothing - there was no use for that as the poorly supplied troops weren`t able to carry out any attack anyway.
11th of october the last Hungarian forces were defeated and Hungary was annexed by Germany. Another lost chance and a lost ally - not the most trustworthy one as far colonel Lewandowski assumed, but now Poland would have even allied with the devil or even worse: the USSR, if that would expell the Germans from Poland.
Now, that was an idea and Lewandowski knew that the Polish government was hard busy - under pressure of Sikorski - to bully the western allies to call for Soviet help. The allies refused, not accepting the fate of the baltic republics - now all apart from Lithuania which still fought for it.
Anyway, Lewandowski knew that the whole idea wasn`t much to liking of the army. Many high officers had fought - like him - in the Polish-Boshevik war 20 years ago and the feelings for the Soviets did not really improve much in the later years. Some of the feelings were quite paranoide probably - the Polish socialist party wasn`t that much on good terms with Moscow anyway, not to mention trying to subvert Poland into a part of USSR.
"Well, we can not give the power to peaple who kill their own generals" - he thought. Not that the Polish military-based government with all those generals could now save Poland....
Since the annexation of the Hungarians the government had enough time to do all those diplomatical avances though as the Germans were regrouping and took obviously their time for it. For Lewandowski again an example that they were using the wrong strategy. If the germans got a force strong enough to defeat the Polish Army around Warsaw then the war was lost and as long the Poles did nothing to divert the Germans from regrouping, the last had just time enough to prepare for the final blow.
Obviously, he talked about that with general Kutrzeba. The general was a smart guy who understood a lot about strategy but nothing about politics:
"No, I don`t think that it is a great idea, but I don`t know a better option colonel " - he responded at Lewandoski`s inquiry about the matter.
"We could mount a few attacks to distract the Germans again sir - we broke already a fe times through their line, perhaps we would succeed once again..."
"I don`t think so. The German front is now pretty short so it is also broad. We won`t succeed with breaking through it I`m affraid. The Germans have now just too many forces. We can only hope that our defenses will hold it."
"If the Germans use all their armies then I doubt they will sir..."
The general looked at him sadly:
"I thought it was you who said that there is always hope... Well, maybe our dear minister-general Beck will finally achieve that the Brittish and the French start an invasion on Germany... That would break the German front here." - the general stood up and walked acroos the room: - "But why would they do it now if they have not done it already? Attacking Germany so short before the winter?"
"If we can wait out till the winter we will be in advantage. The allied forces will surely attack then. In that case waging on defense is not such a bad choice.' - the general concluded.
"We have to hope that we will succeed in that sir I guess..." - Lewandowski did not agree with the general.
For a part his mood but also practical reasons got him being restationned the 18th october from Warsaw to Sandomierz where the communication-network was lost after a German bombardment. The trip was long and heavy. The trains lacked fuel and many rails were out of order, not so much because of bombardments which were scarce outside the cities in the east, but because the peasants who lacked coal stole the wood from under the rails in a few places. Lewandowski was glad that his family didn`t have to live the way the Polish people had to. They were save in Canada.
The whole trip would have lasted less than 8 hours before the war, but it took 3 times as much before Lewandowski finally arrived in the old city of Sandomierz. The city laid still pretty far from the front, but on the wrong side of the river, so it would not be defended very well. A good communication-network was still needed though and Lewandowski worked hard on that.
It took him almost two days till all worked again and they could communicate with Warsaw again without danger of information-leaks to the enemy. The front has been relatively quiet as long as the Germans were regrouping so Lewandowski did not expect many revolutionary news from Warsaw. But the message he received made his blood freeze: The Germans started their final offensive and attacked Warsaw! the whole city was under bombardments, 28 German divisions were heading toward the city! The government escaped in a hurry to Lublin and was heading toward the south to reach the Rumanian border. The war entered the decisive phase now...
The front just before the German atack on Warsaw
@Perrygreat
well, Russians still busy in baltics...Lithuanians proved pretty tough I guess
@Ladislav
As we are in the same alliance we fight together. I tkoe those provinces attacking from Hungary, so the supplylines are from Hungary - that more or less represents that the Hungarians are controlling that province now.
@Simons3
In theory I think I could if I left the allied. Not sure though. Not to mention that USSR would never accept is - my country is pretty rightist you know
I don`t know if USSR would automatically join the war btw...
@Soapy Frog
(not really on topic but I`ll still comment it) No one attacked anyone in that war. there was actually no treaty between Russia and Poland after the WW1 as Poland "uprised" against Russia, which at that moment was in a civil war as well. The war was just another way to define the future border and both countries were equally eager to fight it. The Poles were pretty lucky eventually in that one.
well, Russians still busy in baltics...Lithuanians proved pretty tough I guess
@Ladislav
As we are in the same alliance we fight together. I tkoe those provinces attacking from Hungary, so the supplylines are from Hungary - that more or less represents that the Hungarians are controlling that province now.
@Simons3
In theory I think I could if I left the allied. Not sure though. Not to mention that USSR would never accept is - my country is pretty rightist you know
I don`t know if USSR would automatically join the war btw...
@Soapy Frog
(not really on topic but I`ll still comment it
) No one attacked anyone in that war. there was actually no treaty between Russia and Poland after the WW1 as Poland "uprised" against Russia, which at that moment was in a civil war as well. The war was just another way to define the future border and both countries were equally eager to fight it. The Poles were pretty lucky eventually in that one.
I hope Vistula will hold them a bit at least.
anyway, good point about Polish-Boshevik war Kasperus
btw, was there any sort of event simulating Ribbentrop-Molotov pact???
anyway, good point about Polish-Boshevik war Kasperus
btw, was there any sort of event simulating Ribbentrop-Molotov pact???
Originally posted by Kasperus
@Simons3
In theory I think I could if I left the allied. Not sure though. Not to mention that USSR would never accept is - my country is pretty rightist you know
I don`t know if USSR would automatically join the war btw...
hmm, ok I can see the point aboutgovernment type, you'd have to wait for the next election, but I did read that anyone joining an alliance automaticaly declares war on the enemies of the alliance.
a shame you didn't have a small force at Ost-roleka thay could have done a niice spoiling attack north and delayed those 25 divisions then you would have only had to face a single direction attack by the smaller force in the west
Leaving us with a huge cliffhanger....
Angered masses demand a new update immidiately!!!
Angered masses demand a new update immidiately!!!
this AAR is one of better ones that i have read!!!
GREAR WORK!!!
WE WANT UPDATES!!!
GREAR WORK!!!
WE WANT UPDATES!!!
NIce
Great AAR concerning my country!!!
BTW It would be impossible for poles to be the allies of USSR.
Only vodka can join poles with the russians
So - na zdrowie Kasperus , great work.
Waiting for more from you.
Great AAR concerning my country!!!
BTW It would be impossible for poles to be the allies of USSR.
Only vodka can join poles with the russians
So - na zdrowie Kasperus , great work.
Waiting for more from you.
25 on 5 Billion. My money is on the Poles
So far so good, I can tell you that I will never be able to do this well in a game, even if I set it on easy, and cheat Good job, im looking forward to seeing how you finish off the Germans and turn on the Russians... Oh wait, or is it Germany that finishes you off...
So far so good, I can tell you that I will never be able to do this well in a game, even if I set it on easy, and cheat
Good job, im looking forward to seeing how you finish off the Germans and turn on the Russians... Oh wait, or is it Germany that finishes you off...