AGC/EEP: British Isles & France

unmerged(49888) · Sep 25, 2008

This is viable; what did you have in mind?[/QUOTE]

One event to turn Ulster back to Catholic, with the related penalties, then an event for ENG (or SCO?) granting them the population that has fled/been expelled.

Definitely no chance of some sort of Irish dominated UK then?

Crookback · Sep 25, 2008

Andrelious said:
Definitely no chance of some sort of Irish dominated UK then?

There's nothing (except the AI, hopefully

) stopping the Irish from conquering the British Isles, but I am wholeheartedly against IRE ever becoming SCO or ENG - it just doesn't make sense whatsoever.

AFAIK, SCO can become ENG if it owns London and ENG doesn't exist. This is a strange idea as it is, but it's to ensure ENG exists in most games and a Scotland-dominated Union is at least feasible; the Irish declaring themselves the Kingdom of Scotland, however, is not.

unmerged(40707) · Sep 25, 2008

mandead said:
AFAIK, SCO can become ENG if it owns London and ENG doesn't exist. This is a strange idea as it is, but it's to ensure ENG exists in most games and a Scotland-dominated Union is at least feasible; the Irish declaring themselves the Kingdom of Scotland, however, is not.

Indeed, Scotland able to form Great Britain (not England per se) is for ENG tag to be in game if something goes wrong with AI. It is also an alternative for Scottish players.

Garbon · Sep 25, 2008

YodaMaster said:
Indeed, Scotland able to form Great Britain (not England per se) is for ENG tag to be in game if something goes wrong with AI. It is also an alternative for Scottish players.

Actually the first option says take the Crown of England. Second choice is form Great Britatin.

unmerged(49888) · Sep 25, 2008

With the Ulster event, I think EIR should get 3 options

A: Convert back to Catholic, lose pop and stability, perhaps a revolt
B: Do nothing
And the slightly controversial one
C: Release Ulster as a vassal - risky though if the AI misbehaves

unmerged(40707) · Sep 25, 2008

Garbon said:
Actually the first option says take the Crown of England. Second choice is form Great Britatin.

Yes... but Scotland is already Great Britain in both cases because of the Act of Union just before.

Second choice is ruling Great Britain from London (but still SCO tag, for players who don't want to become ENG).

Crookback · Sep 26, 2008

Philippe, couple of things whilst I remember:

(This is from the latest beta, not sure why it wasn't updated...)

Code:

#(1422) Henry VI's Minority
event = {
	id = 164218
	trigger = {
		NOT = {
			event = 170290 #FRA: The Treaty of Orleans
			event = 170291 #FRA: The Generous Peace of Henry V
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164218" #Henry VI's Minority
	desc = "EVENTHIST164218"

	date = { day = 1 month = october year = 1422 }
	offset = 60
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1422 }

	action_a = {
	name = "ACTIONNAME164218A" #By His Majesty's will, Bedford shall rule the kingdom
	command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046043 } #Humphrey Plantagenet (Henry VI)
	command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
	command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 1 }
	command = { type = sleepevent which = 164221 } #ENG: Jacqueline of Hainault
	command = { type = sleepevent which = 164231 } #ENG: Henry's Minority Comes to an End
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164218B" #Invest the powers of Kingship in Gloucester
		[COLOR=Lime]command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046037 } #Humphrey Plantagenet (Henry VI)[/COLOR]
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164220 } #ENG: Jacqueline of Hainault
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164227 } #ENG: Beaufort and Gloucester Feud
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164230 } #ENG: Henry's Minority Comes to an End
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164218C" #Let the old man Beaufort have his day
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046038 } #Henry Beaufort (Henry VI)
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 25 } #Beaufort was a papal legate
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164220 } #ENG: Jacqueline of Hainault
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164227 } #ENG: Beaufort and Gloucester Feud
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164230 } #ENG: Henry's Minority Comes to an End
	}
}

Code:

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 046043 }
	startdate = {
		day = 14
		month = september
		year = 1435
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 6
		month = december
		year = 1437
	}
	name = "Humphrey Plantagenet (Henry VI)"
	DIP = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR]
	ADM = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR]
	MIL = [COLOR=Yellow]4[/COLOR]
	dormant = yes
	remark = "Duke of Gloucester. Succeeds Bedford after his death."
}

It's important to remember than William III and William & Mary are different monarch IDs...

Code:

#([COLOR=Yellow]1689-1702[/COLOR]) Personal Union with Holland
#Edited by Johnny Canuck, modified by Bordic [COLOR=Yellow]& mandead[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 3033
[COLOR=Yellow]	trigger = {
		OR = {
		monarch = 046024 #William & Mary
		monarch = 046039 #William III
		}[/COLOR]
		exists = HOL
		NOT = { war = { country = HOL country = ENG } }
		OR = {
			event = 3031 #ENG: The Glorious Revolution (PUR won ECW)
			event = 164048 #ENG: The Glorious Revolution (PUR won - ENG French vassal)
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME3033" #Personal union with Holland
	desc = "EVENTHIST3033"

[COLOR=Yellow]	date = { day = 13 month = february year = 1689 }[/COLOR]
	offset = 10
[COLOR=Yellow]	deathdate = { day = 19 month = march year = 1702 }[/COLOR]

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3033A" #That was expected
		command = { type = dynastic which = HOL }
		command = { type = alliance which = HOL }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 150 }
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 186029 } #HOL: The House of Orange settles in England
		command = { type = trigger which = 186014 } #HOL: Personal union with England
	}
}

Code:

#(1701) Act of Settlement
event = {
	id = 48010
	trigger = {
		monarch = [COLOR=Yellow]046039[/COLOR] #(only if ENG_3031 A or ENG_3028 B were chosen) #William III
		OR = {
			religion = protestant
			religion = reformed
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME48010" #The Act of Settlement
	desc = "EVENTHIST48010"

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1701 }
	offset = 10
	deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1701 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME3143A" #Sign it
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAN value = 100 }
	}
}

Code:

#(1701) The Grand alliance (Spanish war of succession English version - the Orange King)
#by Fodoron[COLOR=Yellow] & mandead[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 164015 #triggered by FRA_170053 A / FRA_170192 A
	trigger = {
		monarch = [COLOR=Yellow]046039[/COLOR] #William III
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME186050" #The Grand Alliance
	desc = "EVENTHIST186050"

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME186050A" #Support Habsburg succession to the Spanish throne
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 120 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = SPA value = 120 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 75 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME186050B" #We don't care who inherits Spain
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = -25 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 260031 } #POR: Portugal signs Methuen and joins Grand alliance
	}
}

Code:

#(1701) The Grand alliance (Spanish war of succession English version - the Stuart King)
#by Fodoron[COLOR=Yellow] & mandead[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 164099 #triggered by FRA_170053 A / FRA_170192 A
	trigger = {
		NOT = { monarch = [COLOR=Yellow]046039[/COLOR] } #William III
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME186050" #The Grand Alliance
	desc = "EVENTHIST186050"

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164099A" #We are not interested in continental disputes
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -25 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = -25 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 260031 } #POR: Portugal signs Methuen and joins Grand alliance
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164099B" #We can't tolerate a too powerful France
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 120 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = SPA value = 120 }
		command = { type = relation which = SPA value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HOL value = 75 }
	}
}

Code:

#([COLOR=Yellow]1689-1702[/COLOR]) The Deliverance of Scotland
event = {
	id = 164049
	trigger = {
[COLOR=Yellow]	trigger = {
		OR = {
		monarch = 046024 #William & Mary
		monarch = 046039 #William III
		}[/COLOR]
		OR = {
			event = 3082 #SCO: The Glorious Revolution and the Claim of Rights
			event = 276012 #SCO: The Glorious Revolution and the Claim of Rights
		}
		NOT = {
			vassal = { country = SCO country = ENG }
			alliance = { country = SCO country = ENG }
			war = { country = SCO country = ENG }
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164049" #The Deliverance of Scotland
	desc = "EVENTHIST164049"

[COLOR=Yellow]	date = { day = 13 month = february year = 1689 }[/COLOR]
	offset = 10
[COLOR=Yellow]	deathdate = { day = 19 month = march year = 1702 }[/COLOR]

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164049A" #Let's eradicate the pro-Stuart party there
		command = { type = vassal which = SCO }
		command = { type = MIL which = 2 value = 24 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 164114 } #ENG: Chasing after the Jacobites
	}
}

Don't submit any of my other stuff until I say so; there's event texts that need finishing and I need to go over them and make sure everything's finished. Doesn't look like the Invasion of 1475 sequence will make the last beta (if there's another...)... for 1.57, then...

Finally, from what I've read of the new Yorkist/Lancastrian stuff in the latest beta, the original Edward V (046005) is unused. Originally I had replaced him with Gloucester's reign as Lord Protector, and had Richard III (as king) as a separate monarch (046046) for if he accepts the crown in June 1483.

However, Richard as Lord Protector is now 046006, meaning (AFAIK) that 046005 is effectively unused as Edward V is now 046047.

Just thought I'd point that out (please, correct me if I'm wrong) as 046005 can either be merged with an existing monarch or deleted and considered a free entry.

Speaking of...

Code:

#(1471) Battle of Tewkesbury
#by Count Six [COLOR=Yellow]& mandead[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 21108
	trigger = {
		monarch = 046003 #Henry VI
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME21108" #Battle of Tewkesbury
	desc = "EVENTHIST21108"

	date = { day = 11 month = april year = 1471 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME21108A" #The throne is safe
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046004 } #Edward IV
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046005 } #Edward V[/COLOR]
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 046006 } #Richard Plantagenet (Edward V)
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 046399 } #Edward IV (ENG)
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 046313 } #Gloucester (ENG)
		[COLOR=Red]command = { type = wakeleader which = 046314 } #Richard III (ENG)[/COLOR]#moved to ENG_21110
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = treasury value = 200 }
		command = { type = relation which = BUR value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -100 }
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 240 value = -3 } #Northumberland
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 241 value = -3 } #Yorkshire
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 242 value = -3 } #Lancashire
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 243 value = -3 } #Wales
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 244 value = -3 } #Midlands
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 245 value = -3 } #Lincoln
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 246 value = -3 } #Bristol
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 247 value = -3 } #Anglia
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 248 value = -3 } #Kent
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 249 value = -3 } #Wessex
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 250 value = -3 } #Cornwall
	}
}

Code:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 046314 }
	category = monarch
	name = "Richard III"
	startdate = {
		day = [COLOR=Yellow]22[/COLOR] #was 25
		month = june
		year = 1483
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 22
		month = august
		year = 1485
	}
	rank = 0
	movement = 3
	fire = 2
	shock = 3
	siege = 0
	dormant = yes
}

Another alternative would be to use 046005 as 'The Prince Regent (George III)' as the historical Regent from 1811 - 1820. This would only need a basic event with a wakemonarch command...

Anyway, I'm back at Uni from tomorrow so I'll only be on the forums every now and then... I'll post updates when I get chance/when I'm at home, however.

EDIT: Sorry if some of the brackets are wrong...

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Crookback · Sep 29, 2008

Just a brief change here, for the Readeption (1470/1):

Code:

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 046003 }
	startdate = {
		day = 3
		month = october
		year = 1470
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 11
		month = april
		year = 1471
	}
	name = "[COLOR=Yellow]Richard Neville (Henry VI)[/COLOR]" #was Henry VI
	DIP = [COLOR=Yellow]4[/COLOR]
	ADM = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR]
	MIL = [COLOR=Yellow]5[/COLOR]
	dormant = yes
	Remark = "[COLOR=Yellow]Warwick the Kingmaker, Earl of Warwick & Salisbury[/COLOR]"
}

Article here - Henry held no power whatsoever during the Redeaption - he was a delusional puppet king paraded around the streets of London in order to lend an air of legitimacy to Warwick's brief rule.

AFAIK, the event text should not need altering; presumably Warwick is mentioned in it anyway...

Bordic · Sep 29, 2008

mandead said:

I suppose Richard III should be king here

...

Henry VIII-specific events...

Code:

#(1510-1512) Holy League of 1510 [COLOR=Yellow](Tudor)[/COLOR]
event = {
	id = 17029
	trigger = {
		[COLOR=Yellow]monarch = 046009 #Henry VIII[/COLOR]
		OR = {
			event = 17024 #PAP: The Holy League against France
			event = 236006 #MUS: The Holy League against France
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME17024" #The Holy League against France
	desc = "EVENTHIST17024"

	date = { day = 10 month = October year = 1510 }
	offset = 500
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year = 1512 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME17024A" #Express Support
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 36 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 150 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME17024B" #Stay neutral
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME17024C" #Express Hostility
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -150 }
	}
}

...

A new version of an old event...

Code:

#(1510-1512) Holy League of 1510 (Yorkist)
event = {
	id = 164253
	trigger = {
		monarch = 046047 #Edward V
		OR = {
			event = 17024 #PAP: The Holy League against France
			event = 236006 #MUS: The Holy League against France
		}
	}
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164253" #The Holy League against France
	desc = "EVENTHIST164253"

	date = { day = 10 month = october year = 1510 }
	offset = 500
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year = 1512 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164253A" #Express Support
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -150 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164253B" #Stay neutral
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164253C" #Express Hostility
		command = { type = casusbelli which = FRA value = 36 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -150 }
		command = { type = relation which = HAB value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = VEN value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = ARG value = 150 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 150 }
	}
}

This last event seems to be bugged! According to event ENG_17029 ACTIONNAME164253A should be on the place of ACTIONNAME164253C, shouldn't it? And, why don't you use the same strings included in 17029? They are just duplicates in text.csv.

Crookback · Sep 29, 2008

Bordic said:
This last event seems to be bugged! According to event ENG_17029 ACTIONNAME164253A should be on the place of ACTIONNAME164253C, shouldn't it? And, why don't you use the same strings included in 17029? They are just duplicates in text.csv.

It's not bugged, Bordic. This event is a reworked version of 17029, allowing for a longer, semi-ahistorical Yorkist dynasty. I've swapped actions A & C from the original event, simply so the AI will be more likely to support France under Edward V, and oppose them under Henry VIII. It's just flavour, and to guide the AI ahistorically...

The event text has also been changed (read back a few pages), and therefore is not a duplicate.

unmerged(40707) · Sep 29, 2008

@mandead: are posts #3060 and #3116 ready now?

Crookback · Sep 30, 2008

YodaMaster said:
@mandead: are posts #3060 and #3116 ready now?

No, I need to polish them and add any missing event text that needs doing. I think France should have another event for the 1475 sequence, but I'm not sure. I'll let you know here as soon as both sequences are finished.

I'm getting my PC brought up to my new flat (probably) on Sunday, so I shall certainly be able to finish it then if I haven't beforehand.

EDIT: post #3128 can be submitted as soon as is convenient...

unmerged(49888) · Oct 1, 2008

Here's the event I suggested in #3125

Code:

#Restoration of Catholic majority in Ulster
event = {
	id = 163001
	trigger = {
		AND = { 
		owned = { province = 232 data = -1 }  #Ulster
		event = 21001 #The Ulster Plantation
		}
		
		NOT = { 
		OR  = {
		religion = reformed  #Why would a reformed Ireland want to deal with a reformed Ulster?
		religion = protestant
		}
		}
		}		}
	random = no
	country = EIR
	desc= "EVENTDESC163001" #Over the years, the English and Scottish had formed 'The Ulster Plantation', meaning that the 

Catholics in Ulster were in a minority. Now we have regained control over Ulster, what shall we do?

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME163001A" #Expel the non-catholics
		command = { type = population which = 232 value = -2000 } #The Non-catholics are expelled
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 232 value = catholic }
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		}

	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME163001B"  #Leave things as they are
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 2 } #Catholics won't be pleased
		}

	action_c = {
		name ="ACTIONNAME163001C"  #Grant Ulster autonomy
		command = {  type = independence which = ULS  }
                          command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		}
}

Crookback · Oct 1, 2008

Shouldn't it be a NOT reformed OR protestant Ulster?

Also, I think grating Ulster independence should warrant a stability hit as well.

unmerged(40707) · Oct 1, 2008

There is no date for the event and Ulster can't revolt after 1550 in revolt.txt.

unmerged(49888) · Oct 1, 2008

YodaMaster said:
There is no date for the event and Ulster can't revolt after 1550 in revolt.txt.

Should I add an end date onto the event? I intend it to be able to happen up to the end of the game.

Also, maybe we should allow ULS to revolt until 1820 - it's possible that the Reformed population wouldn't want to be under Irish Catholic rule.

Crookback · Oct 1, 2008

Andrelious said:
Should I add an end date onto the event? I intend it to be able to happen up to the end of the game.

Then go with the standard 1419 - 1820 sequence.

Andrelious said:
Also, maybe we should allow ULS to revolt until 1820 - it's possible that the Reformed population wouldn't want to be under Irish Catholic rule.

The problem here is that Ulster will revolt from English Protestant rule in times of rebellion...

unmerged(49888) · Oct 1, 2008

mandead said:
Then go with the standard 1419 - 1820 sequence.

The problem here is that Ulster will revolt from English Protestant rule in times of rebellion...

Hmm...could we add no = ENG to prevent this?

unmerged(40707) · Oct 1, 2008

It could be strange before 1550.

Garbon · Oct 1, 2008

Also, isn't OR the default operator in a NOT statement?

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