1.4 - Westernisation Changed
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Great. Even more "EU4 is a MP game and we solely design EU4 around MP".
Are you guys at Paradox like actively trying to get less customers?
Are you guys at Paradox like actively trying to get less customers?
I don't know if it is actively MP-oriented, but MP surely gives something to do in the decades of nothing that follow.
To the extent it affects the MP experience, it's for the worse. I'm not sure of your point.
Yes agreed. Given the effects that westernization has on you and your neighbours it should be harder then it currently is.
The thing is, so long as you're culturally and religiously homogeneous, you're probably not going to even have much in the way of revolts and instead, just a constant MP drain that leaves you unable to actually do much of anything for 20-50 years. I mean, I guess you could feed vassals or something, but it sounds like I may as well start westernizing, hit speed 5, and play Pokemon for a while, stopping only to deal with events.
It's modified by tech group. So by this reading, Eastern will "only" cost 6000 points, unlike 8000 points for Chinese, or 12500/17500 for New World (depending on how their tech penalty is coded).
Pretty much.
Except this does not so much as raise the difficulty as it makes it even more difficult to catch up to western european countries once you finish.
Hm nothing really changes in that regard imo. While westernizing now,what did you do with diplo and mill points that made the process not boring?
So, let me get this straight, people seriously complain that they can change the structure and tradition of their society in merely decades?
Face it, Europe starts with a huge head start, at least over Native - Americans and Africans, that head start slowly built up for centuries. And you can med that head start for less than it takes to move from Men at Arms(tech level 5) to Lansknechts(lvl 10), 600*5*3= 9k points.
Face it, Europe starts with a huge head start, at least over Native - Americans and Africans, that head start slowly built up for centuries. And you can med that head start for less than it takes to move from Men at Arms(tech level 5) to Lansknechts(lvl 10), 600*5*3= 9k points.
Techs and buidlings.
Um. China and the Muslim countries were actually ahead of Western Europe at the start of the game.
Well since lategame techs now increase in cost im not sure about that. Youll lose the penalty, get the neighbour reduction while the other nations start to tech slower.
Fair enough. Not really what I consider exciting though.
I think this change has promise at least for the multiplayer aspect, it will take longer to westernize in most cases, especially if you refuse to give up miltech and +5RR could very well keep your manpower down.
They more or less on par at the time of game start, and China&Japan suffered huge stagnation during EU4 because of their social structure and aristocracy.
Europe was developing at faster pace since high middle ages, as it managed to catch up(middle ages) and surpass east(EU4). Hence I said "ahead" in terms of social structure.
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The total cost does seem high but the system itself doesn't sound inherently flawed.
The thing that has me worried is what is stopping the AI from just instantly starting to westernize as soon as they can? It seems much more difficult to stop someone from westernizing this way, and even if you succeed what stops them from instantly retrying it?
The thing that has me worried is what is stopping the AI from just instantly starting to westernize as soon as they can? It seems much more difficult to stop someone from westernizing this way, and even if you succeed what stops them from instantly retrying it?