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Hello everybody.

I've read so many of these AARs that I got the itch to play a game as what is left as the Byzantine Empire with the following three goals.

#1 Capture every CB Shield in Europe, Asia, and North Africa.

#2 Convert every one of those shield countries to Orthodox Religion.

#3 The most amibitious goal : Reunite Rome and Constantinople under the same flag for the first time in near a millenia.

Previous games I've played #1 and #2 I've been able to do pretty easily, but #3 is a royal pain in the ass, because in both games Spain was in South Italy and France was in North Italy.

I'm going to post the first installment later today(12:30 AM here).

Hope you guys enjoy it.
 
I hope that you will manage.
And don't care about France and Spain.
If you do #1 and #2 and you succeed you will be strong enough

Good Luck !
 
EEP Events?
 
Event Exchange Project... check in the Scenario Forum. Basically a package of extra events for many countries, but there's a ton for Byzantium.

Good luck with those goals...
 
1419-1441 "The Balkan and Asia Minor Wars"

The dawn of 1419 saw the Byzantine Empire in ruins. Two centuries ago with Rome they ruled the war, now, Constantinople and southern Greece were all that were left. The Ottoman Turks lurked outside the gates of the mighty capital and any day it seemed like hordes of Muslim fighters would come storming through the gates, putting to rest an empire already on life support.

This is the situation faced by Emperor Manuel II. Faced with slow extinction, Manuel realized that chance favored the bold. Defeating the Ottoman Turks would be something he could not do by himself. Therefore after brief negotiations on July 1, 1419 Manuel extended the alliance with Trebizond to include the Kingdom of Serbia. Manuel felt that this addition would give the Turks two fronts to fight on, stretching their resources enough to make it an even fight.

Manuel then spent the next few months waiting for the opportunity to spring his trap on the Turks. On August 5th, the Ottoman Empire declared war on Karaman. Initially the war started as a stalemate and Manuel made overtures to the Karaman sultan to invite them into the alliance and join the war against the Turks. This was not to be had as Karaman demanded too many Byzantine concessions. In March 1420, Manuel made his last attempt to indoctrinate Karaman into the alliance, who by this time was badly losing the war against the Turks.

Unfazed by this setback, Manuel realized that this would be his best chance to catch the Turks off guard and on April 12, 1420 the Byzantine Empire declared war on the Ottoman Empire. Two days later her allies Serbia and Trebizond followed suit.

The First Turkish War (1420-1426)

At first the war started out defensively. Four times in May and June 1420 the Turks attempted to seige Constantinople only to be thrown back by the 35,000 Roman defenders guarding the city. The Roman Fleet also scored a key victory, thus protecting Morea, routing the Turkish Fleet in the Aegean Sea. The defensive style of the war continued through April 1421 with the Roman Army scoring five more victories against Turkish invaders. The Navy suffered two defeats; however, and was forced into the port at Morea.

May 27, 1421 saw Murad II rise to the throne and take command of the Turkish Army attempting to beseige Constantinople. Manuel saw an opportunity and let Murad's brother, Mustafa, free with a small loan of funds to attempt a coup against his brother. By July revolts has sprung up in several key Turkish cities. Manuel saw the time to finally go on the offensive. 15,000 soldiers, dispatched to civil war, ravaged Rumelia. After quickly dealing with a few rebels on September 20, 1421, the Roman Army lay seige to Rumelia with Serbian support. With the Turks busy taking care of rebels, a 10,000 troop regiment from Thrace won an easy battle in Bulgaria and began laying seige to that city as well. On January 25, 1423 the first Turkish Province fell as Bulgaria surrendered to the regiment from Thrace. It is rumored that Manuel jumped three meters in the air on word of this news. The regiment from Thrace moved on to Macedonia. Void of Turkish defenders, it fell quickly to the seige laid to it on February 14th. A 15,000 man army from Constantinople was sent out into Asia Minor and on March 21 defeated the last major Turkish army in action and began a seige of Anatolia.

The next year the victories came rolling in. Rumelia fell on April 20. July 16th saw more allies as Moldavia and Wallachia joined the war against the Turks. On November 23 Anatolia fell to the Byzantine and Serbian force seiging it. On January 1, 1424 Konstantinos XI rose to lead the Roman Army. On March 20th, Dobrudja fell to the allied forces led by Konstantinos XI. On April 15th Macedonia surrendered. On December 30th Angora was conquered by Trebizond forces. On May 4th the Turkish capital in Smyrna surrendered. It was time for peace.

unfortunately, Manuel II would not see the fruits of his labor. He died on July 22, 1425 of the Plague. Ioannes VIII succeeded him and made it his first duty to end the war with the Turks and reap the rewards.

Peace was finalized on February 14th, 1426. The terms : The Turks must return Smyrna, Macedonia and Bulgaria to Byzantine in addition to paying 150,000 ducats in war damages.

The Balkan War(1426-1429)

No sooner had peace with the Turks been established than Serbia called upon the debt it was owed by Byzantine by declaring war on Bosnia. Ragusa joined Bosnia, and Trebizond joined the Byzantine side. In July 1426 the Roman Army led by Konstantinos XI relived a Ragusan seige of Kosovo. By September the Army was laying seige to Ragus itself. The seige took over a year but on September 19, 1427 Ragusa surrendered to the Roman Army. On October 3rd the Ragusan government gave up and agreed to be annexed by the Empire. The Balkans stayed quiet until the brief war there ended on April 29, 1429 when Serbia and Byzantium signed a white peace with Bosnia.

Turning Within

Once the Balkan War came to a pleasing conclusion Ioannes VIII turned inward to consolidate the Empires acquired possessions. Missioniares were immediatly sent out to Ragusa and Antalya. Trade was extended in Venice. A tax against artisans was abolished in October 1430. Revolts in Ragusa were three times put down in 1430 and 1431. Domestic policy was directed more towards the freedom of Byzantine subjects. All this was in prepartion of the inevitable second conflict with the Turks. Ioannes VIII felt he could have gotten more from the Turks in the 1st war and felt this time he would definitely push the envelope.

The Second Turkish War (1431-1435)

On August 5th, 1431, The Byzantine Empire declared war on the Ottoman Empire, citing the continued occupation of lands that rightfully belong to the Byzantine Emperor as grounds for war. As before, Serbia and Trebizond also joined the war effort. The Turks countered with their ally, Teke. Their other ally, Karamon, dishonored their alliance, citing the Turkish occupation of Konya and Adana.

The Byzantine Army wasted no time going on the offensive, laying seige to Rumelia and Antalya in October and November, respectively. January 1432 saw Karamon try to do what the Byzantines had done two decades before, declaring war on Teke and the Ottoman Empire. By December Antayla fell and on January 8, 1433, Byzantine annexed the single Teke province.

At the the worst possible time nobles, looking to get in on the action, demanded a return to their old rights. A firm denial of this request caused some unrest throughout the realm, something which was entirely not needed at that point. The war pressed on. Rumelia once again fell to Serbian and Byzantine forces in May. By July the combined allied force had started a seige of Dobrudja after defeating a moderate Turkish force. By the end of August, after a small defeat, the Roman Army struck back and destroyed a Turkish army guarding the capital provence of Anatolia.

Anatolia and Dobrujda both fell in early 1434. The Turkish holding of Angora fell to Trebizond Byzantine forces in May, 1435. Ioannes VIII once again began peace negotiations. After giving Konya back to Karamon on October 3, 1435 the Turks agreed on November 11, 1435 to return Dobrujda and Rumelia to the Byzantine Empire. The Turks also agreed to give up control of the Asia minor port province of Adana.

The Destruction of the Alliance and the First defeat

The next year was once again spent widening the trade the Empire had lost to the Italian city-states and suppressing two revolts in Ragusa and one in Dobrujda. Byzantine's allies once again dragged it into a war it didn't want to fight.

On February 9, 1436 Byzantium joined a war on the side of Trebizond and Serbia against Dulkadir, Mameluks, Qara Koyunlu, Golden Horde, Tunisia and The Hedjaz. No sooner had the declaration gone out then Adana revolted and destroyed the Byzantine force stationed there. Another defeat rolled in as a fleet with a relief force was sunk off the coast of Cyprus by Mameluk warships.

By May Ioannes VIII was already looking for a way out of the war. He discontinued the alliance of Trebizond and Serbia. By July the Mameluks had begun a seige of Adana, and Ragusa was rebelling again. By April 1437 Trebizond surrendered and was annexed by Dulkadir. Rebels aided the Byzantine cause for a change and bought the emperor time, defeating the Mameluk force seiging Adana. The war finally ended a year later when on August 1438 the War against the Muslim powers ended with Byzantium paying 100,000 total ducats in penalities.

Peace at last

Peace in the realm was finally had. The Army was free to put down further revolts in Antalya and Ragusa while the emperor was free to expand trade in Venice and Alexandria. In January 1439 Emperor Ioannes VIII traveled to Florence to meet with the Christian rulers of Europe. Concerned with the Ottoman threat, the Christians demanded that Constantinople convert to Roman Catholicism in exchange for a "promise" to defend the Empire from the Turks. Ioannes VIII scoffed at their demands and made the bold proclamation that the day would come again when the Byzantine Emperor would be making the same demand of them. Unrest spread throughout the realm and Ragus revolted again at the news the realm would not be converting to its religion.

By 1441 the Empire was at peace. In a little over 20 years the Empire had taken a huge step towards reclaiming its dominance in the world. It gained many enemies on both sides of the world and Ioannes VIII would make it his job to find some new allies. The Third War against the Turks looms on the horizon...

The Byzantine Empire - April, 1441
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Europe - April 1441
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Good start. Well told. Keep it coming. :cool:
 
I like your style. It seems like it's probably easier to enjoy actually playing the game when you keep the AAR short and sweet. I think I might emulate your take if and when I do that England AAR I've been thinking about starting.....:D

Keep up the good work! Are you having any serious manpower problems yet? The main reason I haven't tried the Byzantine Empire is because I've heard elsewhere on this forum that the situation is critical. Also, are you having trouble keeping up in tech?
 
Yes and Yes. I'm up to 1480 now. I will post my next installment tommorrow. Rebellion, crappy monarchs and massive amounts of rebellions have kept me from finishing off the turks or having fun in europe.
 
I enjoyed it very much. Are you playing with the EEP events as well? I've tried them, and they add to the enjoyment. :) (Thanks to driftwood and all other EEP personnel).
 
Good stuff. You're making some nice headway against the Ottomans. Kick them in the shins a couple more tiomes and they'll be out of your hair forever...

(Of course there are more where they came from. The whole of Asia Minor is seething with heathens that could benefit from the sword and the cross :D)
 
Unrest in the Realm & The Era of Poor Emperors (1441-1487)

The 1440s were good years for the Byzantine Empire. It had been reborn as a power in the Balkans and on Asia Minor. Her enemies feared her. She was ruled by a great Emperor, Ioannes VIII, and her armies were led on the battle field by the great Konstantinos XI.

Balkan Expansion & Extended Peace

Ioannes VIII wasted no time keeping the momentum of the Turkish wars going. In August 1442, he met with the Duke of the Duchy of Athens demanding that he return to the empire. After the Duke's refusal he returned to Constantinople furious and ordered Konstantinos to bring the Duke's head to him. So it was ordered and so it was done. On September 9, 1442, he declared war on Athens. Ioannes broadly smiled at the news shortly their after that Athens two allies, Albania and Milan had dishonored their alliance.

The war was short and sweet. By October Athens was under seige. By July she surrendered and on August 13, 1443, Athens was reunited with Constantinople. One ancient city down, two to go.

Continuing the policy in the Balkans Ioannes betrothed his daughter to the Prince of Moldavia in December further strengthing the ties between Moldavia and Constantinople.

1444 was spent putting down revolts in the newly aquired Turkish provinces and gleefully watching at Karamon reduced the Turks to a single province "Empire". Trade was also expanded in Venice giving the Empire the largest market share in the trading city. Ioaness longed for the time to return when merchants would flock to his capital city to trade again. 1445 was the quietest year of Ioaness's reign. Only a small revolt in Ragusa occupied his time.

On May 4th, 1446; however, Ioaness signed an order to rebuild the Hexamilium. A lavish party was thrown in Constantinople to mark the glorious event. The sole major event of 1447, besides a few rebellions that were easily crushed was a small reform to the Navy. Likewise 1448 was a quiet year, save for converting the Muslims of Antalya to the one true faith.

Meanwhile Konstantinos grew tired of taking orders. He wanted to be returned to the battlefield. When Ioaness refused, in the great tradition of the Roman Empire, Konstantinos assasinated Ioaness and seized power on October 30, 1448. The Empire's greatest ruler since Constantine himself was dead. He ruled the Empire for 23 years and in it he returned it to glory.

Konstantinos XI immediatly set upon making the military his top priority. He finalized the development of a new age of weaponry that was introduced by February, 1449. He entered into a military alliance with the Kingdom of Georgia that summer as well. The next two years were spent biding time waiting for the right moment. Georgia called upon her ally to declare war against the same powers that had defeated the Empire 20 years before. Not wanting to make the same mistake twice, Konstantinos did not listen to his advisors and dishonored the new alliance, leaving Georgia to fend for herself. He spent the whole summer pondering this and delivered the fateful news to Georgia in September, 1451.

Konstantinos went back to reforming the military. By May, 1452 new ship designs were hitting the drydocks of the Empire. Konstaninos would never get to fight his large war as he died peacefully in his palace on May 30th, 1453.

The Era of Poor Emperors

Demetrios I succeeded Konstaninos. He was neither the political brain of Ioannes nor the military mind of Konstaninos. He was; however the nephew of Ioannes so the people loved him. He did accomplish some things, including instituting policies that would in retrospect give birth to the Byzantine Renassiance.

Demetrios was determined to make his mark at war as well. He was always jealous growing up of his uncle and completly unprovoked sent the Byzantine armies into Albania on on August 11, 1454. Albania was without any allies so the war was short and sweet. Less than a year later on July 15, 1455 Albania was annexed into the Empire. Demetrios held a huge parade in Constaninople to celebrate his "great victory" over what really was an overmatched, undermanned foe. An era that would last over a decade started shortly there after as revolts sprang up in Albania, Bulgaria and Rumelia. The lack of stability in the Empire made it so that three incursions into the rebellions province of Bulgaria, two into Rumelia and one into Albania were needed to quell the revolts.

With the dawn of 1457 the Emperor began overtures to the island nation of Cyprus to join their alliance with Serbia and Bosnia. Throughout the next three years the Emperor made frequent visits to Cyprus inbetween quelling revolts to attempt to persuade the King of Cyprus. In 1460 Demetrios made one of his poorer decisions declining to restore the great church of St. Sophia, citing petty money troubles. Urgency to make the alliance happen came to the eyes of Demetrios when the Turks, in a war from 1460-1463, took back the lands that Karamon had taken from them in a few decades earlier. On January 9th, 1461 the alliance was signed and Byzantium joined with Cyprus, Serbia, Bosnia and newly aquired Walliachia to mutualy defend each other.

Demetrios, inbetween putting down revolts in Ragusa and Albania, set upon further protecting the Empire by attempting to vassalize Serbia. These attempts over the next four years would fail and the realm would remain quiet and rebellion free until history with her allies would repeat itself again.

The Great Balkan War (1465-1467)

On July 21, 1465 Hungary, citing a border conflict, declared war on Serbia. Within two weeks allies on both sides had joined the war. Poland , Hungary, Siebenbürgen and Austria on one side and Byzantium, Serbia, Cyprus and Wallachia on the other. Bosnia dishonored the alliance it had and Serbia swore revenge for the backstabbing.

The first year of the war had its ups and downs. Serbia and Byzantium lay seige to Banat while Austria, Hungary and Poland lay seige to Wallachia. A Byzantine attempt to lift the seige failed and soon there were over 70,000 men seiging the small city A bout of the Plague killed 5,000 loyal citizens of Bulgaria in June, 1466.

Byzantium lost an ally when Wallachia surrendered to Hungary and was annexed on June 16, 1466. Nine days later Banat surrendered and the Roman Army succeeded in driving out the Hungarians and laying seige to Wallachia in September, 1466.

Faced with a two front war Austria backed out of the war and made a seperate peace in November 1466 and as suddently as the war had started it ended in December 1466 with Serbia returning Banat to Hungary in exhcange for 175,000 ducats in damages. Demetrios was said to be furious at this outcome, for he received nothing but a direct border with a major European power. He would never get to fight the Turks. He died January 1, 1470. His son Andreas I, would make it his first priority to crush the Turks once and for all, as was his father's dream.

Prepartion for the next Turkish War

After the disappointment in Europe Andreas turned his attention back to Asia Minor where the Ottoman Empire was on the rebound. After two successful wars against Karamon they were once again a threat. The Navy was reformed, another rebellion in Ragusa was put down and the Nobles were appeased. Consolidating the alliance Andreas finally succeeded where his father had failed in making Serbia his vassal on October 12, 1472.

Andreas had hoped to go to war with the Turks in 1473, as he was on in age, but other internal matters intervened. A rebellion in Ragusa took three incursions to supress. With the rising power of the Empire the Magnates of old started to return. Deciding they were not good for the Empire, the Emperor took a policy of systematically breaking up their holdings. The results were massive revolts in Constantinople, Ragusa, and Smyrna. Over the course of the next years every province in the empire would revolt atleast once. Onlookers saw the Empire starting to implode. By 1477 the revolts had finally stopped. Full blown civil war was averted, though narrowly.

The Third Turkish War(1478-1482)

With the revolts over Andreas wasted no time provoking a conflict that exploded into war again with the Ottoman Empire on Christmas day, 1478. Serbia once again came to our aid.

The previous year the Ottoman economy had gone bankrupt fighting Caramon and it showed. The Turkish Army broke immediatly. On January 23, 1479 the Roman Army, 35,000 strong, lay siege to the Turkish capital in Anatolia. Three days later a Serbian Army 17,000 strong defeated a Turkish Army in Konya and lay seige to it. By July, both provinces were near surrender and a regiment from Thrace began a seige of undefended Kastamonu and a regiment from Antalya began a seige of Angora. On September 23, Anatolya feel. On October 8, Konya fell. On February 1, 1480, Kastamonu fell. On February 11, Serbia made piece with the Turks, vacating Konya, which the Roman Army quickly laid siege to and captured.

By the Spring of 1482, it was time for peace. The Turk completly surrendered. They gaveup control of Kastamon, Konya and Angora to the Empire and agreed to become our vassals. Andreas laid a copy of the treaty on the statue of his father's grave in Constantinople, dedicating these victories to his memory.

Unrest at home and the return of trade to Constantinople

No sooner had the war ended than the revolts started again. All three of the newly aquired provinces revolted in 1483 and 1484. It took atleast 2 incursions into each territory to completly crush the rebellions.

In the capital things were looking brighter. The world had taken notice of Constantinoples rerise to fame. With the Turkish threat gone new merchants could be seen coming back to the city. On March 24, 1483, in occurdance with the Economic Reforms signed by Emperor Andreas, a formal center of trade was opened in Constaninople again. Venice was said to be furious as this, but the Emperor shrugged off the protests of the Italian republic.

The next four years at home were spent building a merchant empire in Constantinople. Byzantine merchants not controlled trade in Venice and Constantinople and the ducats were rolling in. The Turks were no longer a threat and the Empire had a strong, loyal ally in Serbia.

The Byzantine Empire, June 1487
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Europe, June 1487(Sucks to be France)
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Very nice. Hope you're enjoying the EEP events. Looks like they've at least put a few hiccups in your path of conquest. ;)

I'm not sure why Crete and Rhodes didn't get shields in the Byzantine Renaissance event. But since I noticed that in the screenshot, it'll be corrected in the next EEP release. Unfortunately, by choosing not to restore Hagia Sophia you'll miss out on a few other neat events.

BTW, Constantine XI was the loyal brother of John VIII. Demetrios was a third brother, an incompetent drunkard. There was a fourth, Timothy (I think), but he doesn't get much press. All four were sons of Manuel II, Constantine being the youngest.

driftwood
 
I know...but I like inventing my own history on a total scale. =D Unfortunatly even if I took a loan, which I didn't want to I wouldn't have had the money to restore the chapel. I wanted to, but alas it was not to be had.
 
Well I stopped playing this gran campaign about 1610 when all those nobolity revolts per the EEP happen. It's impossible to win them. Each time I end up having the government collapse and I lose 3/4 of my empire. Having three full scale civil wars that quickly is ridiculous. I'm going to stop using the EEP until that goes away.
 
I'm sorry to hear that. I know some people haven't had that much trouble with the revolts. I guess it depends on the state of your empire. You can always just go with the less impressive candidate for the throne, and then there aren't any revolts (I don't think).

It certainly makes an impressive stretch of civil war if you stick with it. :) I imagine it's what the Wars of the Roses were supposed to feel like, where you're honestly fighting to preserve the unity of the state. But at least you get some nice payoffs if you survive.

On Hagia Sophia, I usually just take a couple loans (it will take more than one if necessary), and just pay them off as I can.

driftwood
 
It would be okay if they all didn't come so damn fast. It's either down 1500 and 3 empire wide revolts or 4 empire wide revolts. Either way, I can't find a viable way to hold the empire together. And I've found that if I take the 4 empire wide revolts when it tries to run the 4th one it CTDs every time. Might be my machine I don't know.
 
The CTD probably isn't EEP-related. As I said, I know people who have played through that stretch without problem, while 1.03 has some known issues with instability.

The first event, where you choose between Constantine and Zoe, offers you either Constantine (with +3 stab, -3 cent, +3 aris, +3 serf) or Zoe (with -3 stab, ..., and all the subsequent revolt events). So that's the choice I was referring to.

I assume you're referring to the Nobility Revolts in Favor of Konstantin event? That one is pretty nasty, perhaps needs to be toned down. The next revolt event occurs a year later, and only if your aristocracy >= 3. Either the revolt risks will be toned down, or the duration will be reduced so they don't overlap.

How quickly do your provinces declare independence? I thought they had to be rebel-controlled for at least several years in 1.03.

driftwood
 
It takes them 3 years to declare independence butsince the revolts are empire wide and come so fast and repeat every month with the 3 biggies coming...they are just impossible to control. My empire is not that large right now...the coastal balkan provinces and Asian Minor and a large colony cutout in gold rich western Africa...all the negative EEP events have kept me from getting much bigger. I even went back, built 100,000 troops and still ended up getting overwhelmed by the nobility revolts. They do need to be toned down a lot...

You can say that again about stability problems. I can't get any game I play past 1610ish without the game CTDing atleast once a year.
 
Hmm. Well, like I said, the revolts should be toned down (the frequency of revolts is just a matter of the revolt risk - it's randomly done, for a given probability) in the next release, in about 2 weeks. If you like, I can email you an edited version of the file, so that you can continue the AAR.

driftwood