Persian Rulers: Ismail III & Karim Khan

Peter Ebbesen · 24-07-2003, 11:56

The Persian leaderfile has Ismail III (2/2/2) as ruler from 1750 to 1773 and Karim Khan (6/7/6) as ruler from 1773 to 1779.

However, reading the remark to Ismail III, it seems that Persia should have had a scripted minister event to bring Ismail's stats up to Karim Khan's level around 1756-57. Such an event does not exist, and it is too late to introduce it now for obvious reasons of translation.

Code:


historicalmonarch = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 03710 } 
	startdate = { 
		day = 12 
		month = june 
		year = 1750 
	} 
	deathdate = { 
		year = 1773 
	} 
	name = "Ismail III" 
	DIP = 2 
	MIL = 2 
	ADM = 2 
	remark = "Since 1756-57 Karim Khan was a minister - add (+4+4+5)"
}

However, the situation can easily be rectified. I propose splitting Ismail III's reign in two, one with normal stats, one with boosted, and use one of the free monarch IDs for new new one... Such as 3719.

In other words, I propose that the monarch file be edited as follows: 3710 to be altered and 3719 to be inserted as shown below:

Code:


<top of Persian monarch file>

historicalmonarch = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 03710 } 
	startdate = { 
		day = 12 
		month = june 
		year = 1750 
	} 
	deathdate = { 
		year = 1756 
	} 
	name = "Ismail III" 
	DIP = 2 
	MIL = 2 
	ADM = 2 
} 
historicalmonarch = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 03719 } 
	startdate = { 
		year = 1756 
	} 
	deathdate = { 
		year = 1773 
	} 
	name = "Ismail III (Karim Khan)" 
	DIP = 6 
	MIL = 6 
	ADM = 7 
	remark = "Since 1756-57 Karim Khan was a minister"
}

<bottom of Persian monarch file, beginning with Karim Khan #03711

Isaac Brock · 24-07-2003, 14:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
Such an event does not exist, and it is too late to introduce it now for obvious reasons of translation.

Why not just use the "Excellent Minister" Text? Sure it's generic, but it's less confusing to the player than having two kings with the same name, even with the minister listed. People might just think they are having a run of luck.

Peter Ebbesen · 24-07-2003, 15:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Why not just use the "Excellent Minister" Text? Sure it's generic, but it's less confusing to the player than having two kings with the same name, even with the minister listed. People might just think they are having a run of luck.

Hmm. Another benefit of the two monarch split is that you do not get the stacking monarch modifiers in case you receive a random excellent minister (or temporary insanity, as the case might be)

Isaac Brock · 24-07-2003, 17:27

No other minister is handled that way. Usually historic ministers are events, monarch insanity stack up be damned.

Peter Ebbesen · 24-07-2003, 17:43

Quote:

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
No other minister is handled that way. Usually historic ministers are events, monarch insanity stack up be damned.

True enough. Likewise, no other historic minister gets a generic text rather than a specific text. (Which will, undoubtedly, cause questions about the "new" excellent minister who is 4/5/4 rather than 2/2/2 - there is always somebody)

Anyway, either of them will work, and while I think my solution is the most elegant, I will be happy so long as one of them is implemented.

Isaac Brock · 24-07-2003, 18:40

I agree with that.

*AndrewT* · 03-08-2003, 12:19

OK, thanks PE, all done.

Norrefeldt · 04-08-2003, 12:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
True enough. Likewise, no other historic minister gets a generic text rather than a specific text. (Which will, undoubtedly, cause questions about the "new" excellent minister who is 4/5/4 rather than 2/2/2 - there is always somebody)

The event name 'Karim Khan' can be used, perhaps set straight into the event file. No translation and the event will not appear generic, even if the description is. (Since I think all excellent ministers should be treated in the same way.

)

24-07-2003, 11:56	#1
Peter Ebbesen the Conqueror Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beyond the infinite Posts: 12,607	Persian Rulers: Ismail III & Karim Khan The Persian leaderfile has Ismail III (2/2/2) as ruler from 1750 to 1773 and Karim Khan (6/7/6) as ruler from 1773 to 1779. However, reading the remark to Ismail III, it seems that Persia should have had a scripted minister event to bring Ismail's stats up to Karim Khan's level around 1756-57. Such an event does not exist, and it is too late to introduce it now for obvious reasons of translation. Code: historicalmonarch = { id = { type = 6 id = 03710 } startdate = { day = 12 month = june year = 1750 } deathdate = { year = 1773 } name = "Ismail III" DIP = 2 MIL = 2 ADM = 2 remark = "Since 1756-57 Karim Khan was a minister - add (+4+4+5)" } However, the situation can easily be rectified. I propose splitting Ismail III's reign in two, one with normal stats, one with boosted, and use one of the free monarch IDs for new new one... Such as 3719. In other words, I propose that the monarch file be edited as follows: 3710 to be altered and 3719 to be inserted as shown below: Code: <top of Persian monarch file> historicalmonarch = { id = { type = 6 id = 03710 } startdate = { day = 12 month = june year = 1750 } deathdate = { year = 1756 } name = "Ismail III" DIP = 2 MIL = 2 ADM = 2 } historicalmonarch = { id = { type = 6 id = 03719 } startdate = { year = 1756 } deathdate = { year = 1773 } name = "Ismail III (Karim Khan)" DIP = 6 MIL = 6 ADM = 7 remark = "Since 1756-57 Karim Khan was a minister" } <bottom of Persian monarch file, beginning with Karim Khan #03711 __________________ When I said: "Death Before Dishonour!", I meant it alphabetically. ----- For new denizens of the forum: To post here you have already agreed to follow the user agreement and the general rules (pay specific attention to rules 2, 3, and 6 if writing while your temper is heated). Furthermore, there may be special rules for specific forums. These can usually be found in sticky posts at the top of a forum. Read the stickies and obey the rules and, overall, it is a much nicer forum for all of us. Disobey the rules and be moderated, warned, put on probation, or banned.

24-07-2003, 17:27	#4
Isaac Brock Field Marshal Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Massachusetts USA Posts: 9,457	No other minister is handled that way. Usually historic ministers are events, monarch insanity stack up be damned. __________________ " Ignoring the root causes of terror, turning a blind eye to the oppression and despair of millions may be easier in the short run, but we learned on September the 11th, if violence and fanaticism are not opposed at their source, they will find us where we live." GWB Sick of only the big boys getting the Dutch revolts? Try the Dutch Revolts Mod

24-07-2003, 18:40	#6
Isaac Brock Field Marshal Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Massachusetts USA Posts: 9,457	I agree with that. __________________ " Ignoring the root causes of terror, turning a blind eye to the oppression and despair of millions may be easier in the short run, but we learned on September the 11th, if violence and fanaticism are not opposed at their source, they will find us where we live." GWB Sick of only the big boys getting the Dutch revolts? Try the Dutch Revolts Mod

03-08-2003, 12:19	#7
AndrewT Custom User Title Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 15,227	OK, thanks PE, all done. __________________ It is not bigotry to be certain we are right; but it is bigotry to be unable to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong. ‑G.K. Chesterton, essayist and novelist (1874‑1936)