Granada Fantasy Events

[Anxiety]

Garbon and others were working on Granada Fantasy events previously, but it sort of died down. Unfortunate for me, since I'm playing Granada right now, and I could use them



Garbon post four events:

"Recapture of Andalusia" where Granada would have the option of moving their capital.

"Restoration of Alcazar" where Granada would have the option to fully restore Alcazar, a massive castle and military fortification in Andalusia.

"Restoration of La Alhambra" the palace and center of court which was also a major military installation in Grenada.

"Contrareconquista of Toledo" which allows Granada to make nice with the Iberian powers or outfit and fortify Toledo for war.


Surely, however, a resurgent Granada would not stop there. Yesterday I posted my first event ever (yay!). It was Granada choosign whether or not to claim the mantle of Cordoba and triggered off moving the capital to Andalusia.


Shouldn't there be a lot more?

Here are some events that I envision for a Fantasy Granada:

Catholic Revolts. Maybe several events.
French Assistance to Catholic rebels
Papal organization of Catholic rebels
Jihad on Catholic Iberia after these revolts continue
Option to openly welcome Protestants into domain
Option to expel Catholics (sort of like the expellation events for Spain, only backwards)
What to do with the Jews?
Against the Papacy
Welcoming Moslem Scholars and Refugees from Africa
What to do with Christian Missionaries?
Joint military operations with the Ottomans
Option to reciprocate by sending Islamic Missionaries into Europe
Modernizing the Army, Navy, Government and Such


Anyways, that's what I look forward to. What else?


-Anxiety

[Evil Knevil]

I'm not so sure about moving the Capitol to Cordoba. Granada was an entirely different entity to the Kaliphate. By this time the Ummayadds had been scoured from the earth in any case. After the civil war 400 years before, Cordoba was a shadow of its former self.

The capture of Murcia (probably the strongest Morrisco community outside of Granada) would be important possibly a tax value or monarch change event.

It's little known but Navarre had a strong Muslim contingent... Could we use this?

[Evil Knevil]

Oh and, I'll help script/think up events if you want. I'm a bit of an amateur Al-Andalus historian. Just email me: dle1@st-andrews.ac.uk

[Anxiety]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil
I'm not so sure about moving the Capitol to Cordoba. Granada was an entirely different entity to the Kaliphate. By this time the Ummayadds had been scoured from the earth in any case. After the civil war 400 years before, Cordoba was a shadow of its former self.

The capture of Murcia (probably the strongest Morrisco community outside of Granada) would be important possibly a tax value or monarch change event.

It's little known but Navarre had a strong Muslim contingent... Could we use this?

I did not know that about Navarre. Interesting. I think that we could. A resurgent Granada capturing and releasing a large Muslem contingent. Interesting.

As for reclaiming Cordoba, here is my philosophy behind it:

In the centuries that had passed, Cordoba has become an icon of Islam. Tales and legends were told about Cordoba throught Iberia, North Africa, and the Middle East. As such, a Granada, which could make a claim for being a successor state (albeit a loose one, granted) would feel hard pressed to take the mantle of Cordoba. A grand vision, certainly. But one worth serious consideration. However, with Christians falling in the East to the Ottomands and in the west to Granada, I don't think that moving the capital and reclaiming Cordoba would be that far fetched. I have three options: Stay Granada, Claim to be the Kaliphate of Cordoba, claim to be the Sultanate of Cordoba. I think the third is the most likely course of action for a Granada that moved their capital. That's why the options are there for the player. The computer might choose it, but that's why Garbon put moving the capital as the second of two choices, and why I put claiming the Kaliphate as the middle of three choices. Because I doubt that the fairly weak rulers of Granada would be daring enough to claim Cordoba or it's title.


-Anxiety

[Garbon]

Originally posted by Anxiety
Here are some events that I envision for a Fantasy Granada:

Catholic Revolts. Maybe several events.
Jihad on Catholic Iberia after these revolts continue
Option to expel Catholics (sort of like the expellation events for Spain, only backwards)

I actually have nice little sequence about Catholic revolts in Granada but I never fine tuned it. I can post those if I can find them (I printed them out and subsequently lost the file on my computer ). On one of the possible routes, the Catholic "Spaniards" living in Granada take over the nation and it'd eventually be annexed by Spain or become a vassal Christian state. It seems possible that Christians in the area could have been subversive. I stopped on all these events when I looked at the poor "historical" situation across the Mediterranean in North Africa...

BTW, My Spanish in high school so payed off when I was researching all of this, as all the good sites were in Spanish

[Garbon]

I'd say that a strong enough Granada could claim to be the Caliphate of Cordoba (I know I'm missing the "thingy" ) but its unlikely that anyone would agree and hence the relation drops.

I still want to do something with the fact that Boabdil was related to the Sultan of Morocco but I don't know what. The fantasy dynasty bit is still sketchy, but here's what I have:

Originally posted by Garbon
Looking into this whole Granada fantasy dynasty thing, I see a few options.

Following the line of children between Soraya and Hassen. As his second wife, her children never really stood a chance after Boabdil desposed his father.

Boabdil also had a son Ahmed, though I can't find any info on him after this: Ahmed, who was just two years old, will not be with his mother again until the conquer of Granada, when he is already nine and does not speak Arabic. He has been educated a Christian and is called "infantico", a nickname given to him by Queen Isabella.

Some sites mention and additional son Yusef/Yusuf but I can't find any info on him either.

I suppose something could be done with the fact that Boabdil was related to the reigning sultan of Fez when he left in 1493.

If anyone could help me find any more information on these personalities, I'd be much obliged

Also, I might have posted more of my fantasy events in the further back 'Granada EEP?' thread, but I don't remember.

[Garbon]

Since I had the time , I decided to look through my former posts, mainly to remember what I was thinking...

Ok here is what I was thinking. First off, the Moors were suppose to be pretty accepting of other religions and tolerance and all that. However, the Christians of Iberia obviously weren't so tolerant of them. Therefore, even if Granada managed to survive and extended itself a bit, the Christians there wouldn't be too happy considering that in Spain (paraphrasing a book here) that one's Spanishness was measure by one's catholic fervor. Therefore, I think that the Moors would have internal problems with Christian factions attempt to overthrow and continue to plot the demise of Granada. For the Islamic Revival event I think that that would be like a migration of immigrants from North Africa, maybe late 1500's, early 1600's which would then lead to the spread of Islam. I don't know that they would have inforced mass conversions.

Not fantasy but looks like I forgot about this event

event = {
id = 45012
random = no
country = SPA
name = "Fernando Enríquez"
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1580 }
offset = 10000
action_a = {
name = "Imprison Enríquez and his co-conspirators!"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
}
action_b = {
name = ""Punish" Enríquez and his co-conspirators!"
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 443 value = 1 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 444 value = 3 }
command = { type = province_revoltrisk which = 445 value = 3 }
}
action_c = {
name = "Overlook the transgressions of Enríquez!"
command = { type = revolt which = 443 }
command = { type = revolt which = 439 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -2 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = sunni }
}
}

Looks like after those four events, I went all historical just trying to make sure Granada survived...

[Duque de Alba]

Originally posted by Evil Knevil
After the civil war 400 years before, Cordoba was a shadow of its former self.

The capture of Murcia (probably the strongest Morrisco community outside of Granada) would be important possibly a tax value or monarch change event.

1.- Once upon I read about the 6 cities more populated across the History: Cordoba was one of them in the 1000 AD, with a million of habitants, excessive for me. Today, yes, it is a shadow of its past.


2.-Moriscos and mudéjares were a lot between Valencia, Aragón and Murcia.

Numbers:
the whole Crown of Aragon: 181.998
Castilla (the most of them, the totality, were in Murcia): 90.142.

[Garbon]

Originally posted by Duque de Alba
1.- Once upon I read about the 6 cities more populated across the History: Cordoba was one of them in the 1000 AD, with a million of habitants, excessive for me. Today, yes, it is a shadow of its past.

Well its not like he gave Granada any cores in that event.

[Anxiety]

Hmmm. I was kind of hoping that there was some feeling out there for Granada fantasy events. As I did research in this forum, I found that a lot of people posted in topics on Granada and wanted fantasy events. But it seems like Garbon, myself, and Evil Knevil are really the only three willing to work on them. And there have been few responses.

Makes it seem like a dead idea....


-Anxiety

[Garbon]

I say lets do it anyways

I mean thats what I had to do with North Africa and West Africa (just look how many posts in those threads are by me ).

[Evil Knevil]

Do we really need more than about 3 people? I just hope more people than that are willing to play with fantasy Granada.


Navarre:

"A muslim presence in such a relatively northerly kingdom must seem anomalous if we fail to bear in mind that Tudela, second city of Navarre -which lay to the south of the mountains, had been founded by the Arab invaders in the eighth century. It was the focal point for a number of flourishing agricultural settlements in the district known as La Ribera (not a steak place!). The Navarrese Mudejars held high office under the crown and served the army with distinction". -Muslim Spain 1250-1500, L.P Harvey. University of Chicago Press, 1990. DP102.H2

The Navarrese Government was extremely protective of its Muslim contigent, posting 20 soldiers to protect the quarters of Tudela from crusaders(about 10!) passing south.

Before their explusion in 1516 (by the Castilians) the Mudejars made up about 1/4 of the population.

(From various arabic sources).

[Anxiety]

Alright then gentlemen. Garbon, you mentioned you had worked on some fantasy Catholic Rebellions but were looking for them. Find them yet?


What did they trigger off? I initially thought about Granada capturing Castilla, but after some thought, I moved away from that idea. However, my next idea was to trigger off Granada's size, but if a player turned Granada into a peaceful colonizing empire, that would cause problems. So what is a legitimate trigger?


Another question, because it came up in my game - if Granada reclaims a Catholic Murcia, should there be a religion changing event for the province, or should Granada have to do it the hard way?


Let's start with the Catholic rebellions. What ideas do you guys have?

-Anxiety

[Anxiety]

Our range for event tags, by the way, is 176000 - 177000 for Granada.


-Anxiety

[Garbon]

I have the events but they aren't much to look at. It seems that back then I never thought about triggers However, I do think that the triggers should depend mainly on Granada owning more of the peninsula. I mean it would be the gaining of more Catholics that would cause a problem. Additionally, and this could tie in as an event sequence in case Granada survives into the 16th century, which it shouldn't , but we could also have a sequence that triggers of a peaceful Granada that still exists with a text like : after to failing to conquer Granada by force, the Catholic Kings took a more 'covert' approach and began funding rebellions in the region.

I'll still post my initial rebellion events, ASAP, though they are more of just a frame if anything.

[Garbon]

This one is used though by a historical event - 176000.

[Duque de Alba]

More than catholics, christians revolts were true in the IX century.

Omar ben Hafsun (Omar son of Alfonso) was the son of a visigothic count. He was muladí; but after a revolt against the power of Cordoba, he built a chapel in Bobastro, near Malaga.
Muladies and mozarabes joined him, challenging the islamic power with christians armies. He died named Samuel, showing the christian change.


Maybe the option for turning back to the original religion was among the muslim society. And this version of "moriscos" in the XVI century is possible in this fantasy.

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muladí.
(from hisp.ar. muwalladín, pl. *muwállad, and from clas.ar. muwallad, -> born of no arabic mother).
christian spaniard who accepted islamic religion in order to live between muslim society.

mozárabe.
(from hisp.ar. musta‘rabí, and from clas. ar. musta‘rab, -> influenced by arabic).
christian spaniard who remainded his religion between muslim society.

[Garbon]

I feel so alone again.