EEP: Ottoman Empire

[chegitz guevara]

I'm proposing a complete rethinking of the way the OE is handled.

First off, I wanna reorganize the OEs cores into periods of conquest. For example, we'd start out with the OE having cores on the areas it held up to the Battle of Ankara, plus the areas it tried to conquer, like Thrace and Kurdistan. Then, when Murad II rises to the throne, we have an event: The Conquests of Murad II, which would add Bosnia as a core. Then the Conquests of Mehmet II, which would add Albania, Athens, Morea, and so on.

Because Paradox has some odd cores for the OE, like Krain, Istria, Steirmark, and Ragusa, which the OE never tried to conquer, and Slovakia, Dalmatia, Croatia, etc, which the OE never succeeded in conquering. I'm gonna purge some territories permanently from the list (the ones they never tried to conquer). On the other hand, I'd like to add territories the did try and conquer, like Apulia, Vienna, as well as the missing cores for territories they did conquer, like Iraq, Cyrenaica, etc.

I wanna change the start up to a more historical one:
Foreign Relations
* OE allied with Albania, Bosnia, and Wallachia (actually the OE and Wallachia were at war in 1419, but it was over before the end of the year and Wallachia ended up having to provide troops for Murad's campaigns).
* Athens will grant the OE military access.
* Bosnia, Albania, Wallachia, Karaman, and the Byzantines are vassals of the OE.
* Teke is removed and Antalya is given to OE.
* Timurids start out with warning against OE.
* Timurids have Right of Passage through Black Sheep, White Sheep, and Dulkadir (this should be limited to only a few years)
* Drop relations between Ak Koyonlu and OE.
* (possible) Remove Macedonia from OE and give it to Byzantines.


Starting settings
* Change the starting setting of the OE to be more aristocratic, decentralized, mercantilist, and quantity over quality.
* Abolish the Turksih navy, they didn't have one.
* Fix the starting Turkish armies to something more managable.
* Fix the starting money of the OE. It will no longer need the 1,000 gold with which it starts.
* Start the OE out knowing about Central Asia, the Indian Ocean (and the Red Sea and Persian Gulf) and the Indian coasts. It's from where they came and with whom they traded.
* Increase Anatolian manpower.

Other provinces
* Thrace should have a population of only about 30,000. It's manpower should be dropped to 0 or 1. It can be raised via event during a Byzantine resurgance or if it falls to the Turks.
* Morea's city should be changed to Mistra.
* Should Kastamonu's city should be changed to Sinope? Kastamanu was the administrative center for the Ottomans, but Sinope was where the Jandarid's held power longest (and where the anti-Ottoman part of the dynasty lived.
* Should we change Kurdistan's city to Diyarbakir?

[chegitz guevara]

# The Ottoman Empire #

country = {
tag = TUR
ai = "turkey1.ai"
colonialattempts = 0
colonialnation = no
major = no
colonists = 0
cancelledloans = 0
extendedloans = 0
treasury = 1000
inflation = 0
merchants = 0.083333
religion = { type = sunni }
culture = {
type = turkish
type = arabic
type = slavonic
type = greek
}
policy = {
aristocracy = 7
centralization = 2
innovative = 6
mercantilism = 7
offensive = 7
land =7
quality = 3
serfdom = 4
}
diplomacy = {
relation = { tag = BYZ value = -75 access = yes }
relation = { tag = ATH value = -150 access = yes }
relation = { tag = KNI value = -200 }
relation = { tag = KAR value = -100 }
relation = { tag = DUL value = -100 }
relation = { tag = CAN value = 60 }
relation = { tag = AMI value = -100 }
relation = { tag = TRE value = -100 }
relation = { tag = MAM value = 100 }
relation = { tag = AKK value = 150 }
relation = { tag = TIM value = -200 refusetrade = no }
relation = { tag = STE value = -200 refusetrade = no }
}
knownprovinces = {
270 272 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 515 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 547 548 549 756 568 569 573 574 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 819 820 821 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1135 1138 1326 1327 1361 1363
1524 1525 1526 1527 1528 1529 1530 1531 1532 1533 1591 1592 1594 1598 1599 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613
}
ownedprovinces = {
320 321 356 358 476 477 478 1610 }
controlledprovinces = {
320 321 356 358 476 477 478 1610 }
nationalprovinces = {
320 321 355 356 357 358 363 476 477 478 1609 1610
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 22000
location = 356
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 8500
location = 320
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 8500
location = 321
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 11000
location = 358
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 24000
location = 478
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 34000
location = 477
capital = yes
}
city = {
fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 9000
location = 476
}
city = { fortress = { level = 1 }
population = 10000
location = 1610
}
landunit = {
id = { type = 9423 id = 617 }
name = "1st Army"
location = 358
infantry = 15000
cavalry = 10000
artillery = 40
}
diplomats = 1
technology = {
stability = { level = 2 value = 42 }
infra = { level = 0 value = 0 }
trade = { level = 0 value = 100 }
land = { level = 1 value = 62 }
naval = { level = 0 value = 100 }
group = latin # They usually lose it in event TUR 3379
}
}

[Gen. Wolfe]

I assume that there will be an event about the revolt of the Karamans to break that vassalization?

[chegitz guevara]

Yep. Each time the Karaman broke their vassalization it was to go to war with the Ottomans. Three times the Ottomans re-vassalized them, but finally they just annexed them.

However, yes, there will be an event in 1422-3, when the Karaman support a revolt against Murad II as well as declare war. This was what saved Constantinople in 1422.

I'm toying with the idea of giving Macedonia to the Byzantines. In 1423 they should hand it off to the Venetians, which ended up sparking a seven year war with the Ottomans, who finally took the city in 1430.

[Valerius]

I especially like your idea of 'Progressive Cores.' That's a notion that could be used for several of the conquering nations represented in the game: Russia & Austria come to mind, but I'm sure there are more where it would be useful, especially when an event gives cores to more than one country!

I know there's an event for the Angevin inheritance of Naples that, at least temporarily, gives France cores in the two Neopolitan provinces, and I like the way it represents the thinking of the monarch at the time. It also brings France directly into conflict with Aragon/Spain, which is fairly faithful to actual events. And as Ottoman cores pop up ... watch out neighbor!

[chegitz guevara]

Progressive cores are already used with Russia, which is where I got the idea (well, and MKJ's treamtent of the OE).



I want to explore the idea of giving Macedonia to the Byzantines. They managed to recover Salonika after 1402 and held on to it until 1423, when they sold it to the Venetians. This sparked a seven year war between Venice and the OE. The OE finally took the city in 1430.

[Gen. Wolfe]

I think that progressive cores for many nations is a good idea (ie Spain in the Americas).

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Murad II #
event = {

id = 50026
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50026" #The Conquests of Murad II
desc = "EVENTHIST50026" #During the reign of Murad II, Serbia and Bosnia were conquered briefly and the Ottomans attempted to conquer Albania.
style = 1

date = { day = 26 month = may year = 1421 }

action_a ={ #I Will Restore the Empire#
name = "ACTIONNAME50026"
command = { type = addcore which = 361 } #Albania
command = { type = addcore which = 364 } #Bosnia
command = { type = casusbelli which = HUN value = 360 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = VEN value = 360 }
}
}

[Twoflower]

Wouldn't such events also be good opportunities for an AI file switch to encourage historical AI behaviour even more?

[chegitz guevara]

Originally posted by Twoflower
Wouldn't such events also be good opportunities for an AI file switch to encourage historical AI behaviour even more?

Yes they would, but I haven't written those AIs yet.

#The Conquests of Mehmed II The Conqueror#
event = {

id = 50027
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50027" #The Conquests of Mehmed II The Conqueror
desc = "EVENTHIST50027" #During Mehmed II's rule, Constantinople, Athens, Morea, Serbia, Bosnia, Karaman, Candar, Trebizond, Albania, Hercegovnia, Kercha, Kaffa and Otranto all fell to the Ottoman Sultan. In addition, he tried to take Rhodes. During his invasion of Italy, the Sultan died, which led to the evacuation of Otranto.
style = 1

date = { day = 3 month = february year = 1451 }

action_a ={ #I am the Champion#
name = "ACTIONNAME50027"
command = { type = addcore which = 359 } #Athens
command = { type = addcore which = 360 } #Morea
command = { type = addcore which = 393 } #Napoli
command = { type = addcore which = 394 } #Apulia
command = { type = addcore which = 464 } #Kaffa
command = { type = addcore which = 465 } #Kerch
command = { type = addcore which = 475 } #Trabzon
command = { type = addcore which = 481 } #Rhodes
command = { type = addcore which = 482 } #Konya
command = { type = addcore which = 1611 } #Taurus
command = { type = casusbelli which = HUN value = 362 }
command = { type = casusbelli which = VEN value = 362 }
}
}

[chegitz guevara]

Because Murad II repeatedly vassalized Karaman rather than annexing it, do you think we should take off the OE's starting cores on Karaman and restore them under Mehmed II?

[Garbon]

That would give less of an incentive to conquer Karaman early.

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Bayezid II The Law-Abiding#
event = {

id = 50028
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50028" #The Conquests of Bayezid II The Law-Abiding
desc = "EVENTHIST50028" #Beyzid II reign was a marked depature from that of his father. He rounded out the edges of the realm, conquering the Bujak region of Moldavia and fought a war with the Mamelukes over the control of Ramazan and Dulkadir. Perparations were made to invade Italy, but war against Venice was declared, and Beyezid tried to take Corfu instead.
style = 1

date = { day = 3 month = may year = 1481 }

action_a ={ #A Time For Peace#
name = "ACTIONNAME50028"
command = { type = addcore which = 319 } #Bujak
command = { type = addcore which = 474 } #Sivas
command = { type = addcore which = 483 } #Adana
command = { type = addcore which = 820 } #Corfu
}
}

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Selim I The Grim#
event = {

id = 50029
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50029" #The Conquests of Selim I The Grim
desc = "EVENTHIST50029" #Selim ruled only eight short years, but in that time he doulbed the size of the Empire, conquering Eastern Anatolia from the remnents of the White Sheep Tribe and the whole of the Mameluke Empire. In addition, the Hejaz joined the Empire voluntarily.
style = 2

date = { day = 1 month = may year = 1512 }

action_a ={ #A Time For War#
name = "ACTIONNAME50029"
command = { type = addcore which = 473 } #Kurdistan
command = { type = addcore which = 485 } #Aleppo
command = { type = addcore which = 486 } #Nuyssaybin
command = { type = addcore which = 490 } #Syria
command = { type = addcore which = 491 } #Lebanon
command = { type = addcore which = 492 } #Samaria
command = { type = addcore which = 493 } #Judea
command = { type = addcore which = 494 } #Sinai
command = { type = addcore which = 495 } #Jordan
command = { type = addcore which = 496 } #Arabia
command = { type = addcore which = 497 } #Medina
command = { type = addcore which = 498 } #Mekkah
command = { type = addcore which = 530 } #Tabriz
command = { type = addcore which = 531 } #Hamadan
command = { type = addcore which = 741 } #Cyrenaica
command = { type = addcore which = 742 } #Quattara
command = { type = addcore which = 743 } #Cataract
command = { type = addcore which = 744 } #Alexandria
command = { type = addcore which = 745 } #Delta
command = { type = addcore which = 746 } #Egypt
command = { type = addcore which = 748 } #Nile
command = { type = addcore which = 749 } #Nubia
}
}

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Suleyman I The Law Giver#
event = {

id = 50030
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50030" #The Conquests of Suleyman I The Law Giver
desc = "EVENTHIST50030" #Under Suleyman I, the Empire reached its greatest heights, even as the internal decay which would later bring down the Empire began. Hungary, Jedisan, Iraq, Armenia, Gerogia, Yemen, Oman, Libya, and the Saffavid capital of Tabriz all fell to Suleyman's armies. The Sultan tried to destroy the Knights of St. Johns once and for all, with an invasion of Malta. He laid seige to the capital of Austria, took ever more territory from the Venetians in Dalmatia, and vassalized the pirates of Algeria.
style = 2

date = { day = 22 month = september year = 1520 }

action_a ={ #I am truely Lord of the Horizons#
name = "ACTIONNAME50030"
command = { type = addcore which = 296 } #Jedisan
command = { type = addcore which = 325 } #Magyar
command = { type = addcore which = 351 } #Austria
command = { type = addcore which = 352 } #Odenburg
command = { type = addcore which = 353 } #Pest
command = { type = addcore which = 354 } #Banat
command = { type = addcore which = 365 } #Dalmatia
command = { type = addcore which = 366 } #Croatia
command = { type = addcore which = 470 } #Georgia
command = { type = addcore which = 472 } #Armenia
command = { type = addcore which = 479 } #Ionia
command = { type = addcore which = 488 } #Kirkuk
command = { type = addcore which = 489 } #Iraq
command = { type = addcore which = 499 } #Yemen
command = { type = addcore which = 500 } #Aden
command = { type = addcore which = 504 } #Mascate
command = { type = addcore which = 505 } #Al Kharam
command = { type = addcore which = 506 } #Qatar
command = { type = addcore which = 507 } #Damman
command = { type = addcore which = 508 } #Basrah
command = { type = addcore which = 509 } #Bahrein
command = { type = addcore which = 740 } #Tripolitania
command = { type = addcore which = 752 } #Massawa
command = { type = addcore which = 819 } #Malta
}
}

[Garbon]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
#The Conquests of Suleyman I The Law Giver#

command = { type = addcore which = 819 } #Malta

Since he didn't suceed, is this justified?

[chegitz guevara]

Originally posted by Garbon
Since he didn't suceed, is this justified?

I would say that we should debate it. Nothing is written in stone yet.

My justification for it is that that Paradox gave several hypothetical cores to the OE, such as Istria and Steirmark, which they never tried to conquer. This also allows me to give cores on certain provinces well before they were conquered, such as Rhodes, which Mehmed II seiged in 1480, but Suleyman I conquered in 1522.

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Selim II The Sot#
event = {

id = 50031
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50031" #The Conquests of Selim II The Sot
desc = "EVENTHIST50031" #The Sot took little active interest in the governing of his Empire, prefering to wallow in his women. The Empire was left in the capable hands of Grand Vizier Sokollu Mehmet Pasha, who served his father Suleyman, and would serve his son, Murad III. In 1570 Sokollu began assembling a large force to invade Spain to liberate the Moslems from the Spanish Inquisition. Fortunately for Spain, the Sot chose that moment to get involved in his government's affairs, and ordered Sokollu to invade Cyprus in order to secure the supply of his favorite wines. Tunis fell to the Ottomans and Algerians in 1574.
style = 2

date = { day = 7 month = september year = 1566 }

action_a ={ #Get Me My Wine#
name = "ACTIONNAME50031A"
command = { type = addcore which = 484 } #Cyprus
command = { type = addcore which = 739 } #Tunis
action_b ={ #Save the Moslems of al-Andalus#
name = "ACTIONNAME50031B"
command = { type = addcore which = 438 } #Murcia
command = { type = addcore which = 443 } #Andalusia
command = { type = addcore which = 444 } #Grenada
command = { type = addcore which = 445 } #Gibraltar
command = { type = addcore which = 483 } #Tunis
}
}

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Murad III#
event = {

id = 50032
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50032" #The Conquests of Murad III
desc = "EVENTHIST50032" #By the time of Murad III, the Empire had stretched beyond its natural limits. Azerbaijan and Daghestan were added to the Empire, but only for twenty years, though the Ottomans would despute control with Persia until 1639.
style = 2

date = { day = 1 month = december year = 1574 }

action_a ={ #Reaching the limits#
name = "ACTIONNAME50032"
command = { type = addcore which = 471 } #Daghestan
command = { type = addcore which = 487 } #Azerbaijan
}
}

[chegitz guevara]

#The Conquests of Mehmed IV#
event = {

id = 50033
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME50033" #The Conquest of Mehmed IV
desc = "EVENTHIST50033" #In 1648, the Ottomans invaded Crete. After twenty years of war, they took the island in 1668. In 1672, the Cossaks of the Ukraine asked for help against Poland, offering their vassalage to the Empire. Mehmed's Grand Vizier, Köprülü Ahmed, came to their aid, defeating Poland and adding Podolia to the Empire. The Cossaks, however, soon broke their vassalage.
style = 3

date = { day = 8 month = August year = 1648 }

action_a ={ #Help the Cossaks#
name = "ACTIONNAME50033"
command = { type = addcore which = 297 } #Podolia
command = { type = addcore which = 480 } #Crete
}
}

edit: I forgot Crete!