The clean slate

zBla · 06-01-2003, 10:06

I'm wondering what actually happens whan a nation is turned into another (timurids => mughals...)? I mean BB, and relatishipewise. If you (Burgundy) had conquered a lot of French lands, and some German and Dutch lands, and had accumulated a BB value of 27, would the slate be cleaned if you became France?

Ironfoundersson · 06-01-2003, 10:31

Nope everything stays the same, only the tag changes

*Etienne · 06-01-2003, 10:53

So do you keep all your state cultures? For example if Aragon becomes Spain do they keep Italian culture? (Unless its removed by event, obviously)

Norgesvenn · 06-01-2003, 11:02

Yes, you do. That's why becoming Russia with Novgorod is preferable to becoming it with Muscowy (more cultures).

*Etienne · 06-01-2003, 11:07

Ah, I see. That makes me quite excited at the prospect of becoming France with Navarra.

Norgesvenn · 06-01-2003, 11:27

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Originally posted by *Etienne
Ah, I see. That makes me quite excited at the prospect of becoming France with Navarra.

I think you'd better check the event file for Navarra first. I don't think you can become France, but you can copy the event from a French minor's file, and just change the ID to some non-conflicting ID and the country tag.

*Etienne · 06-01-2003, 12:41

Just checked, and the only event in major_nav.txt is the Crown of France event. Perhaps I'll think again about playing them as I like loads of events.

Owen · 06-01-2003, 13:54

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Originally posted by *Etienne
Just checked, and the only event in major_nav.txt is the Crown of France event. Perhaps I'll think again about playing them as I like loads of events.

Once you become France, you get all the French events. However, make sure you save and reload as soon as the event fires, or you'll have all sorts of problems.

Owen · 06-01-2003, 13:56

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Originally posted by zBla
I'm wondering what actually happens whan a nation is turned into another (timurids => mughals...)? I mean BB, and relatishipewise. If you (Burgundy) had conquered a lot of French lands, and some German and Dutch lands, and had accumulated a BB value of 27, would the slate be cleaned if you became France?

I don't think Burgundy has the crown of France event, I think the nearest to Burgundy to get it is Lorraine, and they still get German culture. Much more useful than Dutch, especially since you can get Dutch later.

Kasperus · 06-01-2003, 14:14

Brittany can become France also and that gives you the great gaelic culture. Now you can much more easily conquer Ireland

btw, i`m not sure about that but those countries actually have no cb-shields on all french province I think? If that is the case there is no much point to start as a minor instead of france...

Norgesvenn · 06-01-2003, 14:31

Orleans, Bourbonais and Auvergene (or something) have shields on all the French provinces, as far as I know. Then again, I hardly ever play the French.

Kasperus · 06-01-2003, 14:39

thus Brittany not I guess? that makes playing them only to get gaelic culture as well as french slightly less attractive

Owl · 06-01-2003, 15:07

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Originally posted by Kasperus
thus Brittany not I guess? that makes playing them only to get gaelic culture as well as french slightly less attractive

or slightly more of a challenge.

Norgesvenn · 06-01-2003, 15:33

I'm in fact not sure about Brittany's shield distribution, but having an alliance (albeit shaky) with England at the beginning of the 1419 scenario should indeed give her a chance for some conquests in the West of France.

06-01-2003, 10:06	#1
zBla The Gigantic Squirrel Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Antemurale Christianitatis Posts: 402	The clean slate I'm wondering what actually happens whan a nation is turned into another (timurids => mughals...)? I mean BB, and relatishipewise. If you (Burgundy) had conquered a lot of French lands, and some German and Dutch lands, and had accumulated a BB value of 27, would the slate be cleaned if you became France? __________________ "Whether Europe would have been a better place without the wars which make up such a large part of her history is, as a question, rather beside the point. The question is whether, without war, Europe would have come into existance as a recognizable entity at all." - Michael Howard ("the Causes of Wars") EU2 grand statistics

06-01-2003, 10:31	#2
Ironfoundersson Engineer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,333	Nope everything stays the same, only the tag changes __________________ EU2wiki Vickywiki

06-01-2003, 11:02	#4
Norgesvenn LurkAAR Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Middle of nowhere, Norway Posts: 3,460	Yes, you do. That's why becoming Russia with Novgorod is preferable to becoming it with Muscowy (more cultures). __________________ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - John Kenneth Galbraith

06-01-2003, 14:14	#10
Kasperus Field Marshmallow Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nieuw Vennep, the Netherlands Posts: 4,332 Blog Entries: 1	Brittany can become France also and that gives you the great gaelic culture. Now you can much more easily conquer Ireland btw, i`m not sure about that but those countries actually have no cb-shields on all french province I think? If that is the case there is no much point to start as a minor instead of france... __________________ my FTG projects: World According to Kasperus - EU2 project updated to FTG, currently working on watk 4 map. my EU2 projects: World According to Kasperus - Old thread & links repository for watk 3.x Medieval World According to Kasperus - aka MWATK, medieval map, originally designed for MES (4 feb. 2009 version - map only!) Mongol Empire Scenario - old thread (mod for 1.08) - Atm no download links

06-01-2003, 14:31	#11
Norgesvenn LurkAAR Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Middle of nowhere, Norway Posts: 3,460	Orleans, Bourbonais and Auvergene (or something) have shields on all the French provinces, as far as I know. Then again, I hardly ever play the French. __________________ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - John Kenneth Galbraith

06-01-2003, 10:53	#3
*Etienne Skipper Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grimsby, N.E. Lincolnshire Posts: 63	So do you keep all your state cultures? For example if Aragon becomes Spain do they keep Italian culture? (Unless its removed by event, obviously)

06-01-2003, 11:07	#5
*Etienne Skipper Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grimsby, N.E. Lincolnshire Posts: 63	Ah, I see. That makes me quite excited at the prospect of becoming France with Navarra.

06-01-2003, 12:41	#7
*Etienne Skipper Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grimsby, N.E. Lincolnshire Posts: 63	Just checked, and the only event in major_nav.txt is the Crown of France event. Perhaps I'll think again about playing them as I like loads of events.

06-01-2003, 14:39	#12
Kasperus Field Marshmallow Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nieuw Vennep, the Netherlands Posts: 4,332 Blog Entries: 1	thus Brittany not I guess? that makes playing them only to get gaelic culture as well as french slightly less attractive __________________ my FTG projects: World According to Kasperus - EU2 project updated to FTG, currently working on watk 4 map. my EU2 projects: World According to Kasperus - Old thread & links repository for watk 3.x Medieval World According to Kasperus - aka MWATK, medieval map, originally designed for MES (4 feb. 2009 version - map only!) Mongol Empire Scenario - old thread (mod for 1.08) - Atm no download links

06-01-2003, 15:33	#14
Norgesvenn LurkAAR Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Middle of nowhere, Norway Posts: 3,460	I'm in fact not sure about Brittany's shield distribution, but having an alliance (albeit shaky) with England at the beginning of the 1419 scenario should indeed give her a chance for some conquests in the West of France. __________________ Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists. - John Kenneth Galbraith