War Exhaustion?

Alyosha · 27-08-2002, 05:40

Ok, I don't know if this is EEP or not, so I'm posting it here to get some feedback. I'm playing an EEP GC as Portugal, and I've noticied a war that's been going on between Atjeh and Brunei on one side, and Mataram on the other. The problem is it has been going on for 40 years! (something that peeves me because I wanted to DoW Atjeh to get Jakarta from them, before it goes over 500). I believe it's a transport battle problem, as every time I go by there I notice ships battling in the same seazone. I knoe I could just DoW and sweep in there, ending the battle, but I gave up on Jakarta a while ago, and set my sights on other things. I'm just curious as to why their war exhaustion has never gone above 4. I've only noticied this recently in games, but I've never seen WE of more than 4 in AI core provinces, why is this? It just stimulates wars that go on way to long. I've entered wars five years into the conflict, and two years later my WE was the same as all the participants, who had been in the war much longer. I don't think DP settings could be the culprit in all these cases. The problem with these Southeast countries would've been solved years ago if they had regular WE, both governments would've crashed by now, but instead, unless I interevene, the war will last for the rest of the game.

Juice · 27-08-2002, 07:19

What difficulty are you playing? I think they get the WE cut in half on Very hard setting. I could be wrong though.

Alyosha · 27-08-2002, 07:35

Hard difficulty. Yes it does suck, and no it doesn't. It got me to leave Indonesia alone, which would've been an conversion nightmare. Now I'm concentrating on making the Southern Atlantic a Portugese pond. Building up an economy that doesn't go all back to colonies and merchants is a little tough with Portugal, although I've got three CoTs under my belt and almost make free trade, I should start to seriously dominate CoTs on the continent. Mostly I'm waiting for Brazil to pay its dividends, which will be necessary if I'm going to take on converting those pagan africans.

**Castellon** · 27-08-2002, 07:58

You could check out your save file and just edit out the transport battle.

Oleg · 27-08-2002, 08:01

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Originally posted by Castellon
You could check out your save file and just edit out the transport battle.

Anyone know if anything will be done about this irritating glitch?

DPS · 27-08-2002, 10:34

Am I missing something here? It's about 4:30 in the morning here and I'm half asleep, but why does the fact that they're in a ongoing war keep you from DoW'ing them?

As for the war exhaustion, the AI gets a cheat on it, so their's isn't as bad as a human player's.

Alyosha · 27-08-2002, 15:30

It keeps me from DoWing them because unfortunately Mataram occupied Jakarta, which is what I wanted. So if I went to war (unless they make peace after I destroy their navy), I wouldn't be able to conquer that province anyway. I'll just colonize Australia instead and wait for a CoT there.

Owl · 27-08-2002, 15:36

With no attrition and no WE there's no reason for the sea "battle" to ever end .... I have this vivid picture of two unarmed fleets exchanging insults for decades and decades ...

Why don't you just commission some pirates in the sea zone where the eternal transport battle is going on? That'll shift 'em.

King of Men · 27-08-2002, 17:27

I don't think it would, actually. I argue by analogy with rebel armies : If a rebellion occurs in a province where two armies are battling, the rebels will, very politely, wait until their betters have finished their business, then fight the winner. Presumably pirates and privateers act the same way, and so would sit around forever waiting for the battle to end...
It does not sound as though you consider this a problem anymore, but I suggest you edit the battle out of your savefile anyway on general principles. Wars that last forty years are one thing, but battles?

kurtbrian · 27-08-2002, 17:32

but he could at least try with the pirates.

if it doesn't work it hopefully won't bankrupt him...

**Castellon** · 27-08-2002, 17:37

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Originally posted by kurtbrian
but he could at least try with the pirates.

if it doesn't work it hopefully won't bankrupt him...

Just as long as it is not the 1BB point that pushes him over the edge into a BB war.

27-08-2002, 05:40	#1
Alyosha Commissar Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bostonia Posts: 1,170	War Exhaustion? Ok, I don't know if this is EEP or not, so I'm posting it here to get some feedback. I'm playing an EEP GC as Portugal, and I've noticied a war that's been going on between Atjeh and Brunei on one side, and Mataram on the other. The problem is it has been going on for 40 years! (something that peeves me because I wanted to DoW Atjeh to get Jakarta from them, before it goes over 500). I believe it's a transport battle problem, as every time I go by there I notice ships battling in the same seazone. I knoe I could just DoW and sweep in there, ending the battle, but I gave up on Jakarta a while ago, and set my sights on other things. I'm just curious as to why their war exhaustion has never gone above 4. I've only noticied this recently in games, but I've never seen WE of more than 4 in AI core provinces, why is this? It just stimulates wars that go on way to long. I've entered wars five years into the conflict, and two years later my WE was the same as all the participants, who had been in the war much longer. I don't think DP settings could be the culprit in all these cases. The problem with these Southeast countries would've been solved years ago if they had regular WE, both governments would've crashed by now, but instead, unless I interevene, the war will last for the rest of the game. __________________ The Mercantile Compact in the 18th Century

27-08-2002, 07:19	#2
Juice First Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 224	What difficulty are you playing? I think they get the WE cut in half on Very hard setting. I could be wrong though. __________________ Juice

27-08-2002, 07:35	#3
Alyosha Commissar Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bostonia Posts: 1,170	Hard difficulty. Yes it does suck, and no it doesn't. It got me to leave Indonesia alone, which would've been an conversion nightmare. Now I'm concentrating on making the Southern Atlantic a Portugese pond. Building up an economy that doesn't go all back to colonies and merchants is a little tough with Portugal, although I've got three CoTs under my belt and almost make free trade, I should start to seriously dominate CoTs on the continent. Mostly I'm waiting for Brazil to pay its dividends, which will be necessary if I'm going to take on converting those pagan africans. __________________ The Mercantile Compact in the 18th Century

27-08-2002, 07:58	#4
Castellon God's Lightning Bolt! Administrator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Striking near you! Posts: 26,177	You could check out your save file and just edit out the transport battle. __________________ I have been dealt a good hand in life, now I am just looking for a few more cards! Winner of TOEE POTY 2005

27-08-2002, 15:30	#7
Alyosha Commissar Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bostonia Posts: 1,170	It keeps me from DoWing them because unfortunately Mataram occupied Jakarta, which is what I wanted. So if I went to war (unless they make peace after I destroy their navy), I wouldn't be able to conquer that province anyway. I'll just colonize Australia instead and wait for a CoT there. __________________ The Mercantile Compact in the 18th Century

27-08-2002, 10:34	#6
DPS General Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oak Hill, WV Posts: 2,020	Am I missing something here? It's about 4:30 in the morning here and I'm half asleep, but why does the fact that they're in a ongoing war keep you from DoW'ing them? As for the war exhaustion, the AI gets a cheat on it, so their's isn't as bad as a human player's.

27-08-2002, 15:36	#8
Owl Born to be Wise Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London Posts: 2,629	With no attrition and no WE there's no reason for the sea "battle" to ever end .... I have this vivid picture of two unarmed fleets exchanging insults for decades and decades ... Why don't you just commission some pirates in the sea zone where the eternal transport battle is going on? That'll shift 'em. __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way ...

27-08-2002, 17:27	#9
King of Men THIS year in Bergen! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: I was banned from religion threads before it was cool. And after it was cool. Posts: 5,307	I don't think it would, actually. I argue by analogy with rebel armies : If a rebellion occurs in a province where two armies are battling, the rebels will, very politely, wait until their betters have finished their business, then fight the winner. Presumably pirates and privateers act the same way, and so would sit around forever waiting for the battle to end... It does not sound as though you consider this a problem anymore, but I suggest you edit the battle out of your savefile anyway on general principles. Wars that last forty years are one thing, but battles? __________________ MP Megacampaigns : The Great Game: CK, EU2, EU2 stats, Vicky, Doomsday. There Will Be War: CK, EU3, Vicky, Arma. Children of the Fatherland: Under construction! Join the discussion! CK converter project - done. Download version 1.0! (For questions and problems, PM me.)

27-08-2002, 17:32	#10
kurtbrian Older than dirt Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 9,114	but he could at least try with the pirates. if it doesn't work it hopefully won't bankrupt him... __________________ Minsc will lead the way with blade and Boot - Boo will take care of the details... - Minsc, famous ranger Man who sits in marmelade, has ass in jam... - Wang, famous shadow warrior