Is Venice better off in or out of the HRE?

George LeS · 18-01-2010, 16:56

IN 3.2, if that matters much. But I'd be interested in 4.1 answers, too.

arbiter6 · 18-01-2010, 17:08

In HttT, i'd say it's definitly a good idea to be part of the empire if you intend to make a life for yourself in Europe.

If you use your oversea provinces to carve yourself an empire on the mediterenean coast, then it doesn't really matter whether or not you are in.

I'd say it's pretty much the same in IN. although the fact that there are less CBs might make it easier to survive on the peninsula without being part of the Empire.

Anything that increases your survival chances is good

Even though being in the HRE in HttT can end up costing you a lot due to imperial decisions. (in such case you can leave the empire or become emperor yourself)

jasonstevanhill · 18-01-2010, 18:40

If you plan on annexing the city-states of Italy, then join the HRE: If you have a CB, the Emperor won't intervene when you declare war.

Minchandre · 18-01-2010, 19:23

Game-wise, it definitely makes sense - a large protector as no extra cost, plus a handful of other bonuses. RP-wise, though, the Most Serene Republic managed to keep itself out of the influence of the HRE through many wars, and historically was descended from the Byzantine Empire, so has to reason to be part of the HRE in the first place.

George LeS · 18-01-2010, 19:43

Thanks. I found that I'd accidentally joined, & wondered if I needed to restart. I think I'll just stay for a while.

I have, however, found myself getting in a war with Austria (HRE) anyway, despite my CB on Sienna, & an alliance with Austria. Fortunately, they'd just got kicked by Poland & Bohemia, so I waltzed over them.

I've now taken about all N Italy I want. The rest are scheduled to be my vassals. So I guess I'll stay a while, then jump.

18-01-2010, 16:56	#1
George LeS Field Marshal Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,579	Is Venice better off in or out of the HRE? IN 3.2, if that matters much. But I'd be interested in 4.1 answers, too. __________________ 'Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.' -- the Water Rat Historical leaders without the limitations of the Historical options. More realistic, but frustrating exploration. -- GRIN Mod: http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...d.php?t=446994 Now available, GRIN HT ultra lite. A mod with just the leader events.

18-01-2010, 17:08	#2
arbiter6 Major Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 606	In HttT, i'd say it's definitly a good idea to be part of the empire if you intend to make a life for yourself in Europe. If you use your oversea provinces to carve yourself an empire on the mediterenean coast, then it doesn't really matter whether or not you are in. I'd say it's pretty much the same in IN. although the fact that there are less CBs might make it easier to survive on the peninsula without being part of the Empire. Anything that increases your survival chances is good Even though being in the HRE in HttT can end up costing you a lot due to imperial decisions. (in such case you can leave the empire or become emperor yourself) __________________ "Ultima Ratio Regum" ("Last Argument of Kings") -Louis XIV of France, engraved on every French-made cannons

18-01-2010, 19:43	#5
George LeS Field Marshal Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,579	Thanks. I found that I'd accidentally joined, & wondered if I needed to restart. I think I'll just stay for a while. I have, however, found myself getting in a war with Austria (HRE) anyway, despite my CB on Sienna, & an alliance with Austria. Fortunately, they'd just got kicked by Poland & Bohemia, so I waltzed over them. I've now taken about all N Italy I want. The rest are scheduled to be my vassals. So I guess I'll stay a while, then jump. __________________ 'Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.' -- the Water Rat Historical leaders without the limitations of the Historical options. More realistic, but frustrating exploration. -- GRIN Mod: http://www.europa-universalis.com/fo...d.php?t=446994 Now available, GRIN HT ultra lite. A mod with just the leader events.

18-01-2010, 18:40	#3
jasonstevanhill Corporal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 46	If you plan on annexing the city-states of Italy, then join the HRE: If you have a CB, the Emperor won't intervene when you declare war.

18-01-2010, 19:23	#4
Minchandre Captain Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 361	Game-wise, it definitely makes sense - a large protector as no extra cost, plus a handful of other bonuses. RP-wise, though, the Most Serene Republic managed to keep itself out of the influence of the HRE through many wars, and historically was descended from the Byzantine Empire, so has to reason to be part of the HRE in the first place.