Which country should I implement using the now free PRO tag?

Hartmann · 02-03-2001, 16:40

As a result of our indepth discussion, for IGC 1.6 Kurland will now be a province of the Teutonic Order in the beginning. This means, we would have another tag free. At present, Kurland can emerge through revolts. But there are additional options...

Hartmann

Hartmann · 02-03-2001, 16:48

I made this sticky for just a few days. I removed other 'stickies', which were not frequented quite often. In the next version IGC 1.6 there will be the FAQ included, so that I will remove the stickiness from it then also...

Hartmann

The Hulk · 02-03-2001, 17:00

What about Belgium (parts of the spanish lowlands which will not revolt to Netherlands) ?

Java of Flanders · 02-03-2001, 17:03

Belgium was (and is) never a revolting nation (there was a small revolt at the end of the 18th century, but of no or very little importance). It was a state, created only in 1830.
I don't agree it should be a possible revolter.

Johan43 · 02-03-2001, 17:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Hartmann
As a result of our indepth discussion, for IGC 1.6 Kurland will now be a province of the Teutonic Order in the beginning. This means, we would have another tag free. At present, Kurland can emerge through revolts. But there are additional options...

Hartmann

Transsylvania? Played a role as Turkish vassal _and_ Protestant ally in thirty yrs war.

Savant · 02-03-2001, 22:11

Right now I think we should 'bank' the tag and keep it in case we come across other compelling nation-states. The border lands of Turkey for example were mentioned in the Province thread as needing some scrutiny. Each time a region is looked at it sems the IDC may need a tag. This one should maybe be tabled for a while unless there is clear and convincing need for its use now.

McGuinn · 02-03-2001, 23:27

A Transylvania shield! Just had to make one.

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Originally posted by Johan43

Transsylvania? Played a role as Turkish vassal _and_ Protestant ally in thirty yrs war.

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 00:24

Quote:

Originally posted by McGuinn
A Transylvania shield! Just had to make one.

... and it looks more and more like Mecklenburg and Bremen would come.

Will You prepare the Bremen shields and flag for me, Jeremy?

Hartmann

yannelis69 · 03-03-2001, 00:55

Lets redo this.

How about Serbia? They were still around in 1492.

McGuinn · 03-03-2001, 02:50

Cheers Hartmann. Bremen is ready.

Jeremy

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Originally posted by Hartmann

... and it looks more and more like Mecklenburg and Bremen would come. Will You prepare the Bremen shields and flag for me, Jeremy?

Hartmann

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 11:55

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Originally posted by McGuinn
Cheers Hartmann. Bremen is ready.

Jeremy

Cheers, Jeremy, that´s superb!

I have another request/question. Whereas all shields are great, I think there´s a little oddity with the Ragusan shields. They look 'flat'. I have no experience in the art of graphics, but could it be due to the stripes being too accurately straight?. Are there any methods to improve the impression of depth with them?

All the best, Hartmann

Balders · 03-03-2001, 13:21

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Originally posted by yannelis69
Lets redo this.

How about Serbia? They were still around in 1492.

Yes why not plucky little Serbia. They have caused a lot of trouble in their history, they seem the best choice...yet are not an option.

Storm.

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 13:47

About Serbia: Whereas I would love to implement Serbia, we also have to consider that we already *have* implemented FOUR new orthodox countries for the IGC:

-Novgorod
-Greece
-Ryazan
-Ethiopia

That´s why I want to look for other options first. But o.k., You convinced me: I will edit the poll to include Serbia and Bulgaria.

Hartmann

McGuinn · 03-03-2001, 13:49

I'm afraid the whole Ragusa set was a bit of a rush job. (as it was very urgently needed)

I’ll try to make a better one.

Jeremy

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Originally posted by Hartmann

I think there´s a little oddity with the Ragusan shields. They look 'flat'.
All the best, Hartmann

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 13:57

Thanx, friend!

Hartmann

Raphael · 03-03-2001, 16:28

I list here countries that could be added, to make a kind of reserve (for whenever we get a new tag). These lists doesn't include the countries already in the game, is not exhaustiv (how could I have one ?) and list only european countries (I don't know much outside of Europe).

Countries that existed in 1492, but are not represented in the game :

Eire (the five provinces of Ireland except for Dublin)
Bretagne (Bretagne, Armor, Morbihan, Vendee)
Alsace (Alsace)
Aragon (all spanish initial provinces east of Aragon and Valencia, with all the italian and mediterranean islands, but without Low countries and Franche-Comte)
Division of Morocco in Fes (Morocco) and Marrakech (Toubal and Sahara) kingdoms
Gelre (todday's Gelderland, approximately province Holland)
Friesen (Friesen)
Mecklenburg and Pommern (Mecklenburg and both Pommerania provinces)
German independant (arch)bishoprics (Bremen, Munster, Salzburg, Mainz, Magdeburg, etc.) (all provinces with corresponding names)
Oldenburg (Oldenburg)
Mantua (Mantua)
Luca (Luca)
Montenegro (approximately Kosovo, but maybe to approximativ)
Lithuania (all polish provinces east of Dniepr and Dvina rivers, plus Bessarabia, Lithuania, Belarus and Pripet)
Dulkadir (Sivas)
Ramadan (Adana)

Countries that existed during the 3 centuries of the game but not in 1492 (I haven't been able to find much of them, I think there should be more) :

Corsica (Corsica)
Transylvania (Maros)

Best regards

Raf

*Dark Knight* · 03-03-2001, 16:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Hartmann
[b]About Serbia: Whereas I would love to implement Serbia, we also have to consider that we already *have* implemented FOUR new orthodox countries for the IGC:
-Novgorod

Why not take out Novgorod and add in Serbia as a possible revolter. I think this would be a lot more interesting.

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 17:03

Thanks for the list, Raf!

Some comments:

Eire (the five provinces of Ireland except for Dublin)

Tag is already there. Should it be implemented as existing right away?

Bretagne (Bretagne, Armor, Morbihan, Vendee)

We had a inconclusive discussion about this once. Implement it as vassal of France or not?

Alsace (Alsace)

Divide Lorraine in Alsace and Lorraine? (Tags!)

Aragon (all spanish initial provinces east of Aragon and Valencia, with all the italian and mediterranean islands, but without Low countries and Franche-Comte)

Probably not, because of gameplay reasons.

Division of Morocco in Fes (Morocco) and Marrakech (Toubal and Sahara) kingdoms

With more tags,yes... at the moment it´s an inevitable abstraction, I think.

Gelre (todday's Gelderland, approximately province Holland)

Would conflict with the emergence of Netherlands.

Friesen (Friesen)

dito.

Mecklenburg and Pommern (Mecklenburg and both Pommerania provinces)

I already have Pommern in the newest version. Mecklenburg would require also Bremen. But it´s one of my favorite options.

German independant (arch)bishoprics (Bremen, Munster, Salzburg, Mainz, Magdeburg, etc.) (all provinces with corresponding names)
Oldenburg (Oldenburg)
Mantua (Mantua)
Luca (Luca)
Montenegro (approximately Kosovo, but maybe to approximativ)

Tags, tags, tags .... give em to me!

Lithuania (all polish provinces east of Dniepr and Dvina rivers, plus Bessarabia, Lithuania, Belarus and Pripet)

Would be cool in principle, but same as with Spain. Someone should try it in an extra scenario.

Dulkadir (Sivas)
Ramadan (Adana)

Provinces are the problem here. They are not provided and/or badly drawn. We could only use Adana, I think, but this also wouldn´t 'look' right.

Hartmann

Hartmann · 03-03-2001, 17:07

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Originally posted by Dark Knight

Why not take out Novgorod and add in Serbia as a possible revolter. I think this would be a lot more interesting.

No way, mate! There are many people, who especially love Novgorod.

Also Russia needs at least SOME problems with revolts.

Hartmann

Raphael · 03-03-2001, 17:12

Actually, Hartmann, this list is not the list of the countries that should be implemented, but a list in which to pick up the most interesting country for available tags. Of course, I can't provide TAGs for every countries.

Bye

Raf

View Poll Results: Which country should be implemented in the IGC 1.7 using the PRO tag?
Kurland (revolter)	4	3.96%
Mecklenburg & Bremen (in existence right away, using also Hansa tag HSA)	16	15.84%
Mexico (revolter, would require a capitol different from Aztec capitol)	9	8.91%
Brazil (revolter)	5	4.95%
Argentina (revolter)	3	2.97%
Boer Republic (revolter, South Africa)	6	5.94%
Wales (revolter)	16	15.84%
Serbia (revolter)	25	24.75%
Bulgaria (revolter)	2	1.98%
Provence (revolter, as in the original GC)	4	3.96%
Transylvania (revolter)	7	6.93%
Lithuania (revolter)	4	3.96%
Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

02-03-2001, 17:00	#3
The Hulk Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Luebeck, Germany Posts: 50	What about Belgium (parts of the spanish lowlands which will not revolt to Netherlands) ? __________________ -- To change the odds of a battle, you first got to have one ...

02-03-2001, 17:03	#4
Java of Flanders First Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bissegem Vrijstaat Posts: 229	belgium, hah Belgium was (and is) never a revolting nation (there was a small revolt at the end of the 18th century, but of no or very little importance). It was a state, created only in 1830. I don't agree it should be a possible revolter. __________________ Suum Cuique

02-03-2001, 22:11	#6
Savant Victoria's boyfriend Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In the garden, with Victoria Posts: 1,836	Right now I think we should 'bank' the tag and keep it in case we come across other compelling nation-states. The border lands of Turkey for example were mentioned in the Province thread as needing some scrutiny. Each time a region is looked at it sems the IDC may need a tag. This one should maybe be tabled for a while unless there is clear and convincing need for its use now. __________________ I can't give you a brain, but I can give you a diploma. - The Wizard I knew a forum hero named Ugly Duck; and I was lucky for that.

03-03-2001, 16:28	#16
Raphael Raphael Join Date: May 2000 Location: Nevers, France Posts: 143	List of possible new countries I list here countries that could be added, to make a kind of reserve (for whenever we get a new tag). These lists doesn't include the countries already in the game, is not exhaustiv (how could I have one ?) and list only european countries (I don't know much outside of Europe). Countries that existed in 1492, but are not represented in the game : Eire (the five provinces of Ireland except for Dublin) Bretagne (Bretagne, Armor, Morbihan, Vendee) Alsace (Alsace) Aragon (all spanish initial provinces east of Aragon and Valencia, with all the italian and mediterranean islands, but without Low countries and Franche-Comte) Division of Morocco in Fes (Morocco) and Marrakech (Toubal and Sahara) kingdoms Gelre (todday's Gelderland, approximately province Holland) Friesen (Friesen) Mecklenburg and Pommern (Mecklenburg and both Pommerania provinces) German independant (arch)bishoprics (Bremen, Munster, Salzburg, Mainz, Magdeburg, etc.) (all provinces with corresponding names) Oldenburg (Oldenburg) Mantua (Mantua) Luca (Luca) Montenegro (approximately Kosovo, but maybe to approximativ) Lithuania (all polish provinces east of Dniepr and Dvina rivers, plus Bessarabia, Lithuania, Belarus and Pripet) Dulkadir (Sivas) Ramadan (Adana) Countries that existed during the 3 centuries of the game but not in 1492 (I haven't been able to find much of them, I think there should be more) : Corsica (Corsica) Transylvania (Maros) Best regards Raf

02-03-2001, 16:40	#1
Hartmann Kaiser v.G.G. (abdicated) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in exile Posts: 3,944	As a result of our indepth discussion, for IGC 1.6 Kurland will now be a province of the Teutonic Order in the beginning. This means, we would have another tag free. At present, Kurland can emerge through revolts. But there are additional options... Hartmann

02-03-2001, 16:48	#2
Hartmann Kaiser v.G.G. (abdicated) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in exile Posts: 3,944	I made this sticky for just a few days. I removed other 'stickies', which were not frequented quite often. In the next version IGC 1.6 there will be the FAQ included, so that I will remove the stickiness from it then also... Hartmann

03-03-2001, 00:55	#9
yannelis69 Banned Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Constantinople Posts: 448	Lets redo this. How about Serbia? They were still around in 1492.

03-03-2001, 13:47	#13
Hartmann Kaiser v.G.G. (abdicated) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in exile Posts: 3,944	About Serbia: Whereas I would love to implement Serbia, we also have to consider that we already have implemented FOUR new orthodox countries for the IGC: -Novgorod -Greece -Ryazan -Ethiopia That´s why I want to look for other options first. But o.k., You convinced me: I will edit the poll to include Serbia and Bulgaria. Hartmann

03-03-2001, 13:57	#15
Hartmann Kaiser v.G.G. (abdicated) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in exile Posts: 3,944	Thanx, friend! Hartmann

03-03-2001, 17:03	#18
Hartmann Kaiser v.G.G. (abdicated) Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in exile Posts: 3,944	Re: List of possible new countries Thanks for the list, Raf! Some comments: Eire (the five provinces of Ireland except for Dublin) Tag is already there. Should it be implemented as existing right away? Bretagne (Bretagne, Armor, Morbihan, Vendee) We had a inconclusive discussion about this once. Implement it as vassal of France or not? Alsace (Alsace) Divide Lorraine in Alsace and Lorraine? (Tags!) Aragon (all spanish initial provinces east of Aragon and Valencia, with all the italian and mediterranean islands, but without Low countries and Franche-Comte) Probably not, because of gameplay reasons. Division of Morocco in Fes (Morocco) and Marrakech (Toubal and Sahara) kingdoms With more tags,yes... at the moment it´s an inevitable abstraction, I think. Gelre (todday's Gelderland, approximately province Holland) Would conflict with the emergence of Netherlands. Friesen (Friesen) dito. Mecklenburg and Pommern (Mecklenburg and both Pommerania provinces) I already have Pommern in the newest version. Mecklenburg would require also Bremen. But it´s one of my favorite options. German independant (arch)bishoprics (Bremen, Munster, Salzburg, Mainz, Magdeburg, etc.) (all provinces with corresponding names) Oldenburg (Oldenburg) Mantua (Mantua) Luca (Luca) Montenegro (approximately Kosovo, but maybe to approximativ) Tags, tags, tags .... give em to me! Lithuania (all polish provinces east of Dniepr and Dvina rivers, plus Bessarabia, Lithuania, Belarus and Pripet) Would be cool in principle, but same as with Spain. Someone should try it in an extra scenario. Dulkadir (Sivas) Ramadan (Adana) Provinces are the problem here. They are not provided and/or badly drawn. We could only use Adana, I think, but this also wouldn´t 'look' right. Hartmann

03-03-2001, 17:12	#20
Raphael Raphael Join Date: May 2000 Location: Nevers, France Posts: 143	Actually, Hartmann, this list is not the list of the countries that should be implemented, but a list in which to pick up the most interesting country for available tags. Of course, I can't provide TAGs for every countries. Bye Raf