Provisional Constitution & Constitutional Convention

*Blade!* · 07-07-2002, 17:31

As Temporary Provisional Head of the Government, and thus acting Speaker, I welcome you all to this Constitutional Convention.

All we have now is the old framework to work from. We need to establish how many votes it takes to pass legislation, what it takes to change somthing once we have put it into the Constitution.

Please mull your thoughts and debate. We will begin with nominations from parties for the first Speaker of the New Government, on the 8th. Voting will take place on that issue on the 10th following the resolution of the Head of State Open Referendum.

Then the Speaker will facilitate Prime Minister elections. Who in turn, will then hopefully guide us to building a workable Constitution.

Thanks you all for attending.

~Blade!

EUtopia City, 8/7/02

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Provisional Guiding Document:

1. All participants to the EUtopia forum who are members of an accepted active party are members of parliament.

2. Binding decisions can be conducted in one of two ways:

a. via Open Referendum: An open poll is released to the Eutopian populace at large. Citizens may cast one vote in a standard poll, with three options, yes, no or abstain. In order for this option to occur, the parliament must vote in approval to set the referendum into motion.

b. via Standard Eutopian Parliament Procedure:
~All parties conduct prior debates and possible preliminary polls internally. It doesn't really matter how, but somehow they must then present a collective vote of either yes, no or abstain.
~The strength of that vote equals their number of party members that have actively said yes to that particular kind of vote. If party members are not active in the forum at the time of the procedure then their votes do not count. Neither do members that have spoken against the party line.
~If a party is found to have utilized the votes of non-participating members, or changed their members votes… they will be charged with fraud and banned from any voting for two weeks.

Quote:

OOC Example: Party A has 9 members. A proposal is put to the vote by the government, deadline for party votes is set to 48 hours from now. Party A heatedly debates the issue internally. When deadline approaches they find that one of their members has not been around to cast a vote. 7 of their members has, more or less reluctantly, agreed to say yes to the proposal. 1 member is adamant in saying no to the proposal. The party spokesperson announces in the Proposal Vote thread that her party says yes to the proposal, with strength of 7 votes.)

3. The Parliament must concern themselves with the selection of administrators for the operation of government. For the duration of the provisional government, if there are two candidates, the candidate with the most number of votes wins. If there are more than two candidates, and none of them receives a 50% +1 majority, a second round of voting is conducted between the two candidates with the largest number of votes. Up to a deadline, which the Speaker imposes, any MP may be put forth as a candidate:

a. The parliament needs to elect a Speaker. As the government is being established, the head of the provisional government will act in this capacity until the Speaker is elected. The Speaker:
~Oversees and sets time limits on debate in parliament
~Requests the Civil Service to post an Open Referendum if approved by parliament
~Makes official announcements regarding outcomes of parliamentary votes, and is responsible for checking their validity

b. The Parliament needs to elect a Prime Minister. The Prime Minister:
~Appoints a Government, exactly as he or she sees fit. The PM can organize and reorganize departments freely, he or she can appoint ministers from whatever party desired. The PM can sack ministers at will et cetera.
~Puts forth proposals for vote or debate, on any topic, regarding how the cabinet wants to run or modify EUtopia.

4. At the time when this is written, Eutopia has no Head of State (HoS). It falls to the Parliament to hold an Open Referendum if there is a question of no HoS, or the HoS's term expiring. Traditional Eutopian law dictates that the HoS:
~Sack any minister aside from the PM
~Reorganize the Civil Service
~Represent the nation in a ceremonial capacity
~Call for a vote of Non Confidence in any Cabinet Minister, PM, Speaker, or General Representative (the latter result resulting in exile from Eutopia)
~Serves as the Head of the Court System

5. Given that the PM has selected Cabinet Members. Cabinet Members:
~May puts forth proposals for vote or debate, on their specific portfolio, regarding the running or modification of EUtopia

6. The Civil Service shall run the day to day tasks of the government and shall be non-partisan. A Civil Service member may have no party affiliations or actively campaign on any issue. Civil Service Undersecretaries shall bring to the attention of Parliament, events requiring immediate attention.

*Blade!* · 08-07-2002, 15:41

Designated Party Spokesperson's (and only them) may now nominate any parliment member for "Speaker."

The LP nominates Martinus
The ECFP nominates Melanchthon

*Blade!* · 08-07-2002, 21:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Rocky Horror
Where do party leaders post the party's candidate for speaker?

Here.

*Blade!* · 10-07-2002, 22:06

Nominations for Speaker, Closed.

Candidates:
nominate Martinus
nominate Melanchthon

Elections will be held until the 12th. At the end of that election, elections for PM will begin immediately. (I will start a separate thread here, for Party Spokespers only please)

PM nominations are now open (PM nominee may not be running for Speaker), please place them here Spokespers:

FMC nominates Fireblade
ECFP nominates Euro-Maniac
The ESP nominates Murmurandus

*Blade!* · 11-07-2002, 00:47

Quote:

Originally posted by VultureGFF
Where should be place our nominations for PM? Also, does the party have to agree on one nomination? I suppose so

Right here; each Spokesper gets one nomination.

*Blade!* · 11-07-2002, 19:28

32 hours, 26 minutes left until Speaker elections end, and PM nominations end.

*Blade!* · 12-07-2002, 15:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Janbalk

When are that? in any non-forum time (the forum clock seems to go after some other sets of nautral laws than the rest of the world).

It is listed in the Speaker Election thread as 10pm Easterntime, Friday.

There are now 12 hours, 35 minutes left for Speaker elections and PM nominations.

Cambaceres · 12-07-2002, 17:15

As far as we are several european players, could you give deadlines in GMT ?

Delirium · 12-07-2002, 18:54

Yes, EST is GMT -5 hours.

Fireblade · 12-07-2002, 20:05

since I am acting spokesperson for the FMC, due to our leader being away, I am nominating myself for Prime Minister.

*Blade!* · 12-07-2002, 21:42

1 nomination has been made.

6 hours, 10 minutes left.

*Dark Knight* · 12-07-2002, 23:42

A bit more time for the players to work out who they want to nominate might be in order...

*Blade!* · 13-07-2002, 01:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Dark Knight
A bit more time for the players to work out who they want to nominate might be in order...

They have had 1 week. This time I will not extend the time again. If no one else nominates within 2 hours and 26 minutes then Per Fireblade will be Prime Minister.

Euro-Maniac · 13-07-2002, 01:55

I am the supreme head of the ECFP and will be nominating myself for Prime Minister.

StJaBa-dormant · 13-07-2002, 02:41

Could you please extend for at least 6 additional hours? Or shall we be unfair to democracy

?

The Captain · 13-07-2002, 03:03

Please accept Murmurandus as ESP candidate for PM. I have not had the time to get everyone's vote on this, but at least two people from my party support this.

And I want to make sure there is at least one candidate for PM who is not a power hungry self-nominator.

StJaBa-dormant · 13-07-2002, 04:00

I know I am not a party chairman, but I am the temporary chairman of the Conservative Alliance, and I would like to nominate Ape for PM, as time is expiring, and he will not wake for a few hours.

There is no valid party known as the Conservative alliance, nor are you a Spokesper of another party. ~ Blade!

*Blade!* · 13-07-2002, 04:13

Nominations for PM closed.

Candidates for PM election:

Fireblade
Euro-Maniac
Murmurandus

When:

To be determined by Per Speaker Martinus

08-07-2002, 15:41	#2
Blade! Scottish Nationalist Moderator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,789 Blog Entries: 12	Designated Party Spokesperson's (and only them) may now nominate any parliment member for "Speaker." The LP nominates Martinus The ECFP nominates Melanchthon Last edited by Blade!; 13-07-2002 at 03:57.

10-07-2002, 22:06	#4
Blade! Scottish Nationalist Moderator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,789 Blog Entries: 12	Nominations for Speaker, Closed. Candidates: nominate Martinus nominate Melanchthon Elections will be held until the 12th. At the end of that election, elections for PM will begin immediately. (I will start a separate thread here, for Party Spokespers only please) PM nominations are now open (PM nominee may not be running for Speaker), please place them here Spokespers: FMC nominates Fireblade ECFP nominates Euro-Maniac The ESP nominates Murmurandus Last edited by Blade!; 13-07-2002 at 03:57.

12-07-2002, 17:15	#8
Cambaceres Mahatma janséniste Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mahatma janséniste résolument "trendy" et "rive droite", ermite-politique de profession (option gangster), rebelle à l'autorité mais servant l'Etat et amoureux de la France. Dieu vivant des quizz, toutes les routes mènent à lui. Posts: 644	As far as we are several european players, could you give deadlines in GMT ? __________________ LES QUIZZ N'AURONT (toujours) QU'UN SEUL MAITRE. "Le législateur travaille pour le peuple, et vous ne déciderez point dans une matière si grave sans une discussion approfondie" Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérés, Tribune de la Convention, 9 août 1793. "Je tiens les gendarmes nordistes et les insectes marseillais pour des talibans (barbus) de la pensée unique" Camba, 30 août 2004. Le MAHATMA a dit : MORT AUX C!*

12-07-2002, 18:54	#9
Delirium The Dry One Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden Posts: 111	Yes, EST is GMT -5 hours. __________________ Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world stood up and stopped the bastard, the bitch that bore him is in heat again. - Berthold Brecht

12-07-2002, 23:42	#12
Dark Knight Troll-slayer Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 9,180	A bit more time for the players to work out who they want to nominate might be in order... __________________ The History Forum: A By-Product of the Computer Gaming Industry Victoria: Based on a True Story I did not envy him his devotion to Kurtz, though. He had not meditated over it. It came to him, and he accepted it with a sort of eager fatalism. I must say that to me it appeared about the most dangerous thing in every way he had come upon so far. --- Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad

11-07-2002, 19:28	#6
Blade! Scottish Nationalist Moderator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,789 Blog Entries: 12	32 hours, 26 minutes left until Speaker elections end, and PM nominations end.

12-07-2002, 20:05	#10
Fireblade EU:M Best Newcomer Sept '04 Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A bunker Posts: 177	since I am acting spokesperson for the FMC, due to our leader being away, I am nominating myself for Prime Minister.

12-07-2002, 21:42	#11
Blade! Scottish Nationalist Moderator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,789 Blog Entries: 12	1 nomination has been made. 6 hours, 10 minutes left.

13-07-2002, 01:55	#14
Euro-Maniac Colonel Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: yum yum Posts: 965	I am the supreme head of the ECFP and will be nominating myself for Prime Minister. __________________ "I look to the world with an open heart full of pure feelings and friendship". -Atatürk "Democracy's the worst form of government except for all the others." --Winston Churchill "Republics end through luxury; monarchies through poverty." --Charles de Montesquieu "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." --Thomas Jefferson

13-07-2002, 02:41	#15
StJaBa-dormant The Defective Stjaba Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near MacDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida Posts: 251	Could you please extend for at least 6 additional hours? Or shall we be unfair to democracy? __________________ I am no longer a Court Jester to Ducks

13-07-2002, 03:03	#16
The Captain Troll Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,756	Please accept Murmurandus as ESP candidate for PM. I have not had the time to get everyone's vote on this, but at least two people from my party support this. And I want to make sure there is at least one candidate for PM who is not a power hungry self-nominator.

13-07-2002, 04:00	#17
StJaBa-dormant The Defective Stjaba Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Near MacDill Air Force Base, Tampa, Florida Posts: 251	I know I am not a party chairman, but I am the temporary chairman of the Conservative Alliance, and I would like to nominate Ape for PM, as time is expiring, and he will not wake for a few hours. There is no valid party known as the Conservative alliance, nor are you a Spokesper of another party. ~ Blade! __________________ I am no longer a Court Jester to Ducks Last edited by Blade!; 13-07-2002 at 04:11.

13-07-2002, 04:13	#18
Blade! Scottish Nationalist Moderator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, U.S.A. Posts: 2,789 Blog Entries: 12	Nominations for PM closed. Candidates for PM election: Fireblade Euro-Maniac Murmurandus When: To be determined by Per Speaker Martinus