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Taylor567 said:
The Portuguese tried several times to gain control over Castile between 1476 and abt 1503. Once by conquest, Afonso V in 1476 invaded Castile, and 2-3 times by marriage. If the spouses had lived they would have inherited Castile and their children would have ruled a united Portugal and Castile.
The scenario is designed for human play as Portugal; there's no way that the AI is going to attack Castile in 1476 as Afonso actually did.
If successful the Portuguese player can choose to become Spain, remain solely as Portugal or as United Iberia and receive all Spanish and Portuguese events and leaders.
As a precision, war in 1476 could have ended in an united Iberia. It was plausible.
Because a game without Portugal and Spain will change drastically History, we preferred make it an option.
Because a game without Portugal and Spain will change drastically History, we preferred make it an option.
What about the later Habsburg attempt to incorporate Portugal into Spain? Was that one doomed to failure?
Iberia is just shorthand for the version of Portugal that gets both Portuguese and Spanish events. OTOH I could use the United Iberia graphics that somebody's already made although that could get iffy depending on Aragon's been incorporated or not. But if there's interest I could amend an event to use them rather than the standard Portuguese graphics.mandead said:
Pretty much, IMO. The Spanish Crown really tried to keep the Castilians predominant in the Habsburg Empire. Italians, Aragonese, Portuguese, Catalans and Dutch were generally treated as second-class citizens and not generally permitted to occupy high office under the Habsburgs, except occasionally in their native provinces, all such being reserved for Castilians. Only Castilians were officially allowed to travel or settle in the Spanish colonies, although this was evaded fairly easily by those with some financial means.Incompetent said:
With regard to the Portuguese in particular, they resented the attacks on their colonies by the Dutch and blamed the Spanish for causing them since they had no dispute with the Dutch on their own. This is a bit naive considering the VOC's desire to neutralize any possible opposition to their own operations, but the Portuguese certainly seemed to believe it. Coupled with that was the inability/lack of desire of the Spanish to defend the Portuguese colonies as the Spanish were far readier to commit resources to defending Spanish America or Italy that Portuguese India or Indonesia. The Portuguese believed that their tax revenues were going to support the Spanish for no gain.
I think that this fatal policy was part of an implied social contract with the Castilian nobility to preserve their predominance in the Habsburg Empire. This prevented the great noble revolts that so plagued the Valois, but at a high cost that probably wasn't anticipated by the Spanish.
So unless the Spanish opened up the government and the empire to non-Spanish and helped to defend Portuguese possessions, possibly as part of of Olivares's Union of Arms, the Spanish were going to lose Portugal at some point or another.
I wonder if I should write another option for the Union of Arms events where the Spanish do exactly that at the cost of some permanent RR in Castile proper to represent the disgruntled nobility. This would probably include inheriting Portugal and fewer disgruntled Catalans. And the permanent RR would probably end after a century or so as the Castilians become resigned to their place of equality under the Habsburgs.
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When you say iffy, do you mean as in the arms of Iberia show Aragon, but it may not be incorporated? If so, don't worry about it - they can just represent a claim on Aragon. Afterall, the English arms remained the same long after the death of Henry VI...sturmvogel said:
More settlement events
Here are some more settlements events:
EVENTNAME260879;Settlement of Mosquitos;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTNAME260878;Settlement of Costa Rica;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTNAME260877;Settlement of Yaraguay;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTNAME260876;Settlement of Seminole;;;;;;;;;;
Here are some more settlements events:
Code:
#(1563-1820) Settlement of Mosquitos
event = {
id = 2600879
trigger = {
NOT = { provincereligion = { province = 38 data = pagan } } #not a TP
owned = { province = 38 data = -1 }
control = { province = 38 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260879" #Settlement of Mosquitos
desc = "EVENTHIST260894"
#-#The first colonists have arrived.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1563 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "EXCELLENT"
command = { type = population which = 38 value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 38 value = bailiff } #Mosquitos
}
}
#(1524-1820) Settlement of Costa Rica
event = {
id = 2600878
trigger = {
NOT = { provincereligion = { province = 822 data = pagan } } #not a TP
owned = { province = 822 data = -1 }
control = { province = 822 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260878" #Settlement of Costa Rica
desc = "EVENTHIST260894"
#-#The first colonists have arrived.
date = { day = 8 month = december year = 1524 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "EXCELLENT"
command = { type = population which = 822 value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 822 value = bailiff } #Costa Rica
}
}
#(1567-1820) Settlement of Yaraguay
event = {
id = 2600877
trigger = {
NOT = { provincereligion = { province = 154 data = pagan } } #not a TP
owned = { province = 154 data = -1 }
control = { province = 154 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260877" #Settlement of Yaraguay
desc = "EVENTHIST260894"
#-#The first colonists have arrived.
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1567 }
offset = 360
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "EXCELLENT"
command = { type = population which = 154 value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 154 value = bailiff } #Yaraguay
}
}
#(1565-1820) Settlement of Seminole
event = {
id = 2600876
trigger = {
NOT = { provincereligion = { province = 49 data = pagan } } #not a TP
owned = { province = 49 data = -1 }
control = { province = 49 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260876" #Settlement of Seminole
desc = "EVENTHIST260894"
#-#The first colonists have arrived.
date = { day = 27 month = august year = 1565 }
offset = 10
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = "EXCELLENT"
command = { type = population which = 49 value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 49 value = bailiff } #Seminole
}
}EVENTNAME260878;Settlement of Costa Rica;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTNAME260877;Settlement of Yaraguay;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTNAME260876;Settlement of Seminole;;;;;;;;;;
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Provinces should be owned and controlled.
Are these events the Alt version of standard ones?
Are these events the Alt version of standard ones?
These are specific to Alt-Iberia being my preferred way to handling the Spanish colonization efforts rather than Fodoron's Capitulones events.YodaMaster said:
True, but then all of them need the triggers fixed. I'll revise these new ones. Do you want me to do the others as a bug fix?
I've been playing Alt-Iberia and have realized that there's no method of ever getting catalan or basque cultures since there's no Union of Arms or Bourbon dynasty in my hypothetical history.
And since the Portuguese admit the Castilians as equals in the new regime there'd be no prejudice against either Basques or Catalans that proved to be so troublesome to the Hapsburgs.
Rather than just hand basque to the Portuguese I think it might be better to mirror the Castilian Protectorate events to give them a chance to gain or lose Navarre and Basque culture as the Spanish sometimes do. Catalan should probably be simply granted when Aragon is either inherited or conquered.
Thoughts, comments?
And since the Portuguese admit the Castilians as equals in the new regime there'd be no prejudice against either Basques or Catalans that proved to be so troublesome to the Hapsburgs.
Rather than just hand basque to the Portuguese I think it might be better to mirror the Castilian Protectorate events to give them a chance to gain or lose Navarre and Basque culture as the Spanish sometimes do. Catalan should probably be simply granted when Aragon is either inherited or conquered.
Thoughts, comments?
Code:
#(1516) The Fate of Navarre
event = {
id = 260874
trigger = {
[COLOR=YellowGreen]NOT = {
exists = NAV
event = 285041 #SPA: The Castilian protectorate of Navarre
event = 285042 #SPA: The conquest of Navarre
}
owned = { province = 428 data = -1 } #Navarra
control = { province = 428 data = -1 } #Navarra
atwar = no[/COLOR]
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260874" #The Fate of Navarre
desc = "EVENTHIST260874"
#-#
[COLOR=YellowGreen]date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1517 }
offset = 60
deathdate = { year = 1820 }[/COLOR]
action_a = {
name = "GREAT"
command = { type = add_countryculture which = basque }
}
}
event = {
id = 260996
trigger = {
exists = SPA
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260996" #Inherit Spain
desc = "EVENTHIST260996"
#-#
date = { day = 24 month = january year = 1516 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME260996A" #Inherit Spain
command = { type = inherit which = SPA }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = iberian } #Castilian
command = { type = add_countryculture which = italian }
[COLOR=YellowGreen]command = { type = add_countryculture which = amazonian } #Catalan[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepevent which = 260915 } #POR: Aragonese Civil War
command = { type = sleepevent which = 260097 } #POR: Catarina Bragança
command = { type = addcore which = 393 } #Napoli
command = { type = addcore which = 394 } #Apulia
command = { type = addcore which = 395 } #Messina
command = { type = addcore which = 396 } #Sicily
command = { type = addcore which = 397 } #Sardinia
command = { type = addcore which = 426 } #Roussillon
command = { type = addcore which = 427 } #Gerona
command = { type = addcore which = 428 } #Navarra
command = { type = addcore which = 429 } #Catalonia
command = { type = addcore which = 430 } #Aragon
command = { type = addcore which = 431 } #Cantabria
command = { type = addcore which = 432 } #Asturias
command = { type = addcore which = 433 } #Galicia
command = { type = addcore which = 435 } #Leon
command = { type = addcore which = 436 } #Castilla
command = { type = addcore which = 437 } #Valencia
command = { type = addcore which = 438 } #Murcia
command = { type = addcore which = 439 } #Toledo
command = { type = addcore which = 440 } #Estramadura
command = { type = addcore which = 443 } #Andalusia
command = { type = addcore which = 444 } #Granada
command = { type = addcore which = 445 } #Gibraltar
command = { type = addcore which = 817 } #The Canary Islands
command = { type = addcore which = 821 } #The Baleares
command = { type = addcore which = 819 } #Malta
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -4 }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110851 } #Prospero Colonna (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110852 } #Fadrique de Alba (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110853 } #Hugo de Moncada (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110854 } #RamÛn de Cardona (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110855 } #Fernando de ¡valos (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110856 } #Antonio de Leiva (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110857 } #Alfonso de ¡valos (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110858 } #B. de Mendoza (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110859 } #¡lvaro de Baz·n (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110860 } #Rodrigo de Bastidas (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110861 } #J. Ponce de LeÛn (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110862 } #Vasco de Balboa (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110863 } #P·nfilo de Narv·ez (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110865 } #Hern·n CortÈs (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110866 } #Lucas de AyllÛn (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110867 } #F. de CÛrdoba (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110868 } #Pedro de Alvarado (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110869 } #Francisco Pizarro (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110870 } #Diego de Almagro (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110872 } #Francisco Montejo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110873 } #A. Cabeza de Vaca (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110874 } #¡lvaro de Saavedra (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110875 } #NuÒo Beltr·n (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110876 } #Pedro de Mendoza (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110877 } #S. de Belalc·zar (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110878 } #Gonzalo de Quesada (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110879 } #Hernando de Soto (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110880 } #Francisco Coronado (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110881 } #Pedro de Valdivia (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110882 } #Juan Cabrillo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110883 } #F. Montejo el joven (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110886 } #Duque de Alba (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110887 } #Pedro de AvilÈs (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110888 } #M. de Santa Cruz (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110889 } #Pedro EnrÌquez (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110890 } #Luis Fajardo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110891 } #Antonio de Oquendo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110892 } #GÛmez de Figueroa (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110893 } #Fadrique de Toledo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110894 } #Francisco de Orozco (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110895 } #Blas de Lezo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110896 } #JosÈ Carrillo (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110897 } #Juan Navarro (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110898 } #Luis de CÛrdoba (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110899 } #Antonio BarcelÛ (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110900 } #Antonio Ricardos (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110901 } #Bernardo de G·lvez (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110902 } #Juan de Langara (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110903 } #Ventura Caro (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110904 } #Federico Gravina (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110905 } #Javier CastaÒos (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110906 } #G. de la Cuesta (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110907 } #JoaquÌn Blake (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110909 } #Francisco Villagra (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110911 } #Miguel Legazpi (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110914 } #Juan de Garay (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110915 } #Fernandes Queiroz (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110916 } #Juan de O˙ate (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110917 } #Father Kino (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110918 } #Friar Serra (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110919 } #Gaspar de Portol· (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110920 } #Juan de Anza (POR)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 0110828 } #Count Lippe (POR)
command = { type = sleepleader which = 0110822 } #von Schonberg (POR)
command = { type = casusbelli which = AZT value = 240 } #to match Spanish CB
command = { type = casusbelli which = INC value = 360 }
}
}
#(1516) Inherit Aragon
event = {
id = 260979
trigger = {
exists = ARG
event = 260997 #POR: Afonso VI succeeds Jo„o II
event = 260998 #POR: Portuguese total victory
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260979" #Inherit Aragon
desc = "EVENTHIST260996"
#-#
date = { day = 24 month = january year = 1516 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME260979A" #Inherit Aragon
command = { type = inherit which = ARG }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = italian }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = maltese }
[COLOR=YellowGreen]command = { type = add_countryculture which = amazonian }[/COLOR]
command = { type = sleepevent which = 260915 } #POR: Aragonese Civil War
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -3 }
command = { type = addcore which = 427 } #Gerona
command = { type = addcore which = 429 } #Catalonia
command = { type = addcore which = 430 } #Aragon
command = { type = addcore which = 437 } #Valencia
command = { type = addcore which = 821 } #The Baleares
command = { type = addcore which = 428 } #Navarra
command = { type = addcore which = 426 } #Roussillon
command = { type = addcore which = 393 } #Napoli
command = { type = addcore which = 394 } #Apulia
command = { type = addcore which = 395 } #Messina
command = { type = addcore which = 396 } #Sicily
command = { type = addcore which = 397 } #Sardinia
command = { type = addcore which = 819 } #Malta
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110851 } #Prospero Colonna (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110853 } #Hugo de Moncada (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110854 } #RamÛn de Cardona (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110855 } #Fernando de ¡valos (POR)
command = { type = wakeleader which = 0110857 } #Alfonso de ¡valos (POR)
}
}
#(1516-1556) Portuguese total victory
event = {
id = 260914
trigger = {
event = 260915 #POR: Aragonese Civil War
OR = {
control = { province = 427 data = -1 } #Gerona
NOT = { owned = { province = 427 data = ARG } } #Gerona
}
OR = {
control = { province = 429 data = -1 } #Catalonia
NOT = { owned = { province = 429 data = ARG } } #Catalonia
}
OR = {
control = { province = 430 data = -1 } #Aragon
NOT = { owned = { province = 430 data = ARG } } #Aragon
}
OR = {
control = { province = 428 data = -1 } #Navarra
NOT = { owned = { province = 428 data = ARG } } #Navarra
}
OR = {
control = { province = 426 data = -1 } #Roussillon
NOT = { owned = { province = 426 data = ARG } } #Roussilon
}
OR = {
control = { province = 821 data = -1 } #The Baleares
NOT = { owned = { province = 821 data = ARG } } #The Baleares
}
OR = {
control = { province = 397 data = -1 } #Sardinia
NOT = { owned = { province = 397 data = ARG } } #Sardinia
}
OR = {
control = { province = 395 data = -1 } #Messina
NOT = { owned = { province = 395 data = ARG } } #Messina
}
OR = {
control = { province = 396 data = -1 } #Sicily
NOT = { owned = { province = 396 data = ARG } } #Sicily
}
}
random = no
country = POR
name = "EVENTNAME260998" #Portuguese total victory
desc = "EVENTHIST260914"
#-#
date = { day = 23 month = january year = 1516 }
offset = 15
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1556 }
action_a = {
name = "ACTIONNAME260914A" #Gain a crown
command = { type = inherit which = ARG }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = italian }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = maltese }
[COLOR=YellowGreen]command = { type = add_countryculture which = amazonian }[/COLOR]
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -2 } #Manuel doesn't respect all of the ancient privleges
command = { type = addcore which = 427 } #Gerona
command = { type = addcore which = 429 } #Catalonia
command = { type = addcore which = 430 } #Aragon
command = { type = addcore which = 437 } #Valencia
command = { type = addcore which = 821 } #The Baleares
command = { type = addcore which = 428 } #Navarra
command = { type = addcore which = 426 } #Roussillon
command = { type = addcore which = 393 } #Napoli
command = { type = addcore which = 394 } #Apulia
command = { type = addcore which = 395 } #Messina
command = { type = addcore which = 396 } #Sicily
command = { type = addcore which = 397 } #Sardinia
}
action_b = {
name = "ACTIONNAME260914B" #Be generous and gain a vassal
command = { type = vassal which = ARG }
command = { type = relation which = ARG value = 200 }
command = { type = dynastic which = ARG }
}
}EVENTHIST260874;We have inherited Fernando's claim to Navarre.;;;;;;;;;;
I've given Catalan culture to all three of the events by which Portugal gains control of Catalonia. The Navarrese event covers all of the situations by which Spain gets Basque culture. Converting the whole Navarrese sequence before 1516 over to Alt-Iberia will require lots of rewriting the texts and I simply don't feel up to it now. I'll get to it later.
It occurs to me that a similar situation could happen with Naples since it's by no means certain that Aragon actually inherits Naples. But I'll get into that later.
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In this case, add Basque Culture in action_a of POR_260914 and action_b and action_c of POR_260998 (where the core is granted). Or am I wrong?
Better have 260874 triggered by 260996.
I remember now we decided with Toio that Catalan culture would not be granted to Spain before Felipe V and SPA_285216 or decrees of the New Plan (285218 - 285227) for a not too powerful Spain and because Aragon was "autonomous". But we are in Alt Iberia here...
Better have 260874 triggered by 260996.
I remember now we decided with Toio that Catalan culture would not be granted to Spain before Felipe V and SPA_285216 or decrees of the New Plan (285218 - 285227) for a not too powerful Spain and because Aragon was "autonomous". But we are in Alt Iberia here...
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The core on Navarre and the culture aren't linked although they possibly should be. Castile gets it with 142013:Isabel and Fernando kings of Aragon and 142016:Orphan Kingdom of Castile. Aragon doesn't get it until 1512 with the ahistorical 111008:Fernando of Aragon claims Navarre. And I'm not sure that they should be since Navarre controlled the passes through the Pyrenees and Spain/Castile/Aragon would have wanted to control the passes no matter what. Gaining the culture seems to be an extra benefit depending how the cards play out. So I think that I'm OK with granting the core as it's currently handled.YodaMaster said:
Spain needs to have either 285042 or 285080 happen to gain Basque. 260874 won't fire if neither happened. So if Spain doesn't have Basque culture neither will Alt-Portugal. I'm pretty sure that the event is set up properly to reflect that.
This might be a reflection of the "discussion" I had with Mandead about English proper nouns being capitalized, or not, but Kings/Queens and Kingdoms of specific places need to be capitalized. And they're not in most of the Iberian events. I'd really prefer not to submit bugfixes for all of them, but I will if I have to. Unfortunately a simple global search and replace won't work as there are a few references to people waiting to become king, which should remain uncapitalized, so each case needs to be looked at individually. Or maybe you do the global replace and wait for us to tell you about which ones shouldn't be capitalized.
Ok, this is why I needed confirmation but 260874 triggered by 260996 is still a must.sturmvogel said:
Or just help me and make the list of words to be capitalized (maybe I will be able to finish alonesturmvogel said:This might be a reflection of the "discussion" I had with Mandead about English proper nouns being capitalized, or not, but Kings/Queens and Kingdoms of specific places need to be capitalized. And they're not in most of the Iberian events. I'd really prefer not to submit bugfixes for all of them, but I will if I have to. Unfortunately a simple global search and replace won't work as there are a few references to people waiting to become king, which should remain uncapitalized, so each case needs to be looked at individually. Or maybe you do the global replace and wait for us to tell you about which ones shouldn't be capitalized.
) and focus on exceptions (to remain uncapitalized). It could be the shorter way, saving time for both of us.
Hmm, I just noticed that 285280 can't even fire until 1517, a year after Fernando's death. So that's kind of irrelevant to 260874. Furthermore it grants Basque culture anytime Spain owns Navarre if the country of Navarre doesn't exist all the way through 1820. Hell, maybe I should just change 260874 into a mirror of it.YodaMaster said:Ok, this is why I needed confirmation but 260874 triggered by 260996 is still a must.
Or just help me and make the list of words to be capitalized (maybe I will be able to finish alone
Or maybe just add it as a safety. What do you think?Why do you want to see 260874 fired by 260996?
If you see king/queen of someplace or crown of someplace then King and Crown need to be capitalized. Pretty much always, so you could do a global search and replace based on that.
Example of both are in SPA 285001, 285050, 7124, and 7137