scotland

[beregic]

in progress , so i will just UPDATE from time to time( as progress/time frames happens);

1-i think the first event "the university of edinghburgh" makes no sense to me ; creating university is waste of money that part makes sense indeed, however what is with the lost tax and worse, the lost of centralization??? uwe all know that famous universities bring foreign scholars therfore INCREASE base tax( in eu2) not to mentione trade advantages since foreigners get interest due to their kids beeing there; a university gives better diplomatic control to a government since it has increases chances of INFLUENCING foreign students, therefore what about the centralization hit?

2- after vassalizing eire( took 5 years to make a navy of galleys since they are the only effective ships in earlly times) took 2 provinces ( to make them weaker ready to be annexed 30 or more years later); however did not get cores on it.....all requierments had....now if this is intentional again makes no sense since those are MY culture as well....moving on:

correction here: i got eventually the cores on eire but in 1500; is it timed as well? that i did not know

3- 1450; annexing york; i do not get the part of loosing MY own culture GAELIC; now if this is so from a balance point of view , again there is no logic to it; it is like i forget who i am actually this was the most annoying part so far. also i get NO CORE even if i have capital there

4- support for chyrmu new monarch; of course i say yes becouse in about 1550 any nation gets chymru culture even if it is owned by caliphate

5- i notice norway does not break vasalship ( to a human) as always did before; that is a good improvement

6-the sliders are in such a way that even if want to change them(will take a few decades), scotland can NOT get colonists.( i say that becouse if the player is looking foward for earlly colonization will get big time dissipointed even if gets eire maps....) again, this might be intentional but breaks the "flow" sort of say

7- most important; seems there are no straights between mainland and imain isle( i apologize if it is and did not see it yet, did not play that area in a LONG time); that is of utmost importance becouse this is NOT the regular history or the real one; therfore there can not be issues as france conquering england , the reason it has been removed in most HISTORICAL mods...if bringing balance again, maybe might be so, but definatelly restricts certain PRACTICAL options for any english nations at least.

8- BUG? on exactlly 2jan 1489 norway dissipears as vassal. i mean DISSIPEAR becouse i get absolutelly no message of it and even worse no cg to bann it from alliance, etc( now i reloaded a few times to make sure i did not miss something and yes, i have my message settings the right way). now that is very ODD..is it hard coded or something like that???( true it became bigger and almost owns all khalmar in sweeden due to the fact that as alliance leader i peaced at right moment after khalmar initially beat it but then due to atrittion norway had a come back...all done with no expenses on my side). and i was just thinking ,right before it happened, that helping norway getting upper hand on khalmar union MIGHT prove profitable even if i am well known NOT for supprting a norway "connection" for scotland. so is it a new bug or is intended IF scotalnd becomes size "80" or above?

9- "crown of england" very irrelevant event; due to the fact i get cores regardless if under 4bb etc; as a matter of fact getting cores on flander INSTANTLLY once owning it makes illogical to spend 400 AND 3 extra bb to have cores that i ALREADY have

10- the event that gives 8rr in higlands; it is 1650's and i still have it , no event to give me any options...am i stuck with it forever?

11-1650'; literally own 1/2 of europe; i mentione this to ilustrate a specific aspect: from 1450's to 1500's scotland gets some good diplo monarchs and after quiet bad; if it would be the other way around a human would get less territory then i did (had hansa and britanny vassaled earlly and they did some good colonizing jobs while i annexed them at right moment for less bb from full colonial cities)

12- britanny COT problems( not the first time i see it); after i annex it i get 2 COTS in both its main provinces at intervall of about 2 years....

13- it is 1650 and i see absolutelly no effects from the university investments; not that would make any sense at this late date anymore, however what is up with that? beside had another event that AGAIN took base tax away for "schools"; no benefits as yet as well....

14- 1700's , regarding ctds, a few but all regading the usual ones when nations go at war after a long break; looks like your debug program works indeed, any chance you can upload it here?

[Avernite]

Originally Posted by beregic

in progress , so i will just UPDATE from time to time( as progress/time frames happens);

1-i think the first event "the university of edinghburgh" makes no sense to me ; creating university is waste of money that part makes sense indeed, however what is with the lost tax and worse, the lost of centralization??? uwe all know that famous universities bring foreign scholars therfore INCREASE base tax( in eu2) not to mentione trade advantages since foreigners get interest due to their kids beeing there; a university gives better diplomatic control to a government since it has increases chances of INFLUENCING foreign students, therefore what about the centralization hit?

2- after vassalizing eire( took 5 years to make a navy of galleys since they are the only effective ships in earlly times) took 2 provinces ( to make them weaker ready to be annexed 30 or more years later); however did not get cores on it.....all requierments had....now if this is intentional again makes no sense since those are MY culture as well....moving on:

3- 1450; annexing york; i do not get the part of loosing MY own culture GAELIC; now if this is so from a balance point of view , again there is no logic to it; it is like i forget who i am actually this was the most annoying part so far.

4- support for chyrmu new monarch; of course i say yes becouse in about 1550 any nation gets chymru culture even if it is owned by caliphate

5- i notice norway does not break vasalship ( to a human) as always did before; that is a good improvement

6-the sliders are in such a way that even if want to change them(will take a few decades), scotland can NOT get colonists.( i say that becouse if the player is looking foward for earlly colonization will get big time dissipointed even if gets eire maps....) again, this might be intentional but breaks the "flow" sort of say

7- most important; seems there are no straights between mainland and imain isle( i apologize if it is and did not see it yet, did not play that area in a LONG time); that is of utmost importance becouse this is NOT the regular history or the real one; therfore there can not be issues as france conquering england , the reason it has been removed in most HISTORICAL mods...if bringing balance again, maybe might be so, but definatelly restricts certain PRACTICAL options for any english nations at least.

1) You're giving away land and income, LOTS of land and income, to a private institution. Of course, a university has a long-term payoff, but that is in other events.

2) Why should you get cores? No reason for it by EU2 standards, be glad you have the culture.

3) You're focusing the ruling class in York. Essentially, you're becoming a smi-English kingdom, with much less links to the Gaelic heritage of Scotland.

4) haven't seen that?

6) Early colonization is meant to be restricted. Go narrowminded/naval/free trade, and eventually you'll get there I guess.

7) Well, a second reason is that very few people did cross from calais to Dover, due to the harsh wind and currents in the channel.

Though obviously, that strait is a bit up in the air.

[beregic]

Originally Posted by Avernite

1) You're giving away land and income, LOTS of land and income, to a private institution. Of course, a university has a long-term payoff, but that is in other events.

2) Why should you get cores? No reason for it by EU2 standards, be glad you have the culture.

3) You're focusing the ruling class in York. Essentially, you're becoming a smi-English kingdom, with much less links to the Gaelic heritage of Scotland.

4) haven't seen that?

6) Early colonization is meant to be restricted. Go narrowminded/naval/free trade, and eventually you'll get there I guess.

7) Well, a second reason is that very few people did cross from calais to Dover, due to the harsh wind and currents in the channel.

Though obviously, that strait is a bit up in the air.

first; why do i have the feeling this was written in a sacastic way sort of say?

1- that argument is new to the way i learned economics or is it only made to justify the event?
2- that is more said as like "shut up and accept it!"; sorry i can not
3-errr....are not scots part of england anyhow???? also what other example you can give me as such in THIS mod? i have a feeling this is an explanation to sustein the balance of things. and why would i get cores on DENEMARK, even instantlly once own it and NOT on my own culture?
4-that is PRECISELLY what i meant
6-no need to be sarcastic; it was a practical observation that is all
7-hahahahahah that is quiet funny, but not when there is a serious comment regarding its implementation or not

[Avernite]

Cores on Denmark? What? Huh?

Sorry, but I've no clue how you'd get cores in Denmark as Scotland, if it didhappen it's probably a bug...



And as to another example of culture loss: In some settings, Brittany can lose French culture to gain Anglosaxon, in a similar way Scotland loses gaelic for anglosaxon.


(And no, I wasn't being sarcastic. Just that I didn't understand half of why you were suggesting some things...)

[MattyG]

Originally Posted by Avernite

Cores on Denmark? What? Huh?

Sorry, but I've no clue how you'd get cores in Denmark as Scotland, if it didhappen it's probably a bug...

Interregnum has events ( a fairly recent addition) wherein you can get a core on virtually any province in the right circumstances.

To have received the event to get a core on Jylland/Jutland the key conditions would be that neither Denmark nor Jutland exist in the game. Sjaelland, however, requires that neither Denmark, Sweden nor Kalmar exist. So, it is very conceivale that if Scotland owned Jutland they could get a core there, but Sjaelland seems less likely, unless Kalmar had been absorbed by Finnland or Hansa.

[beregic]

Originally Posted by MattyG

Interregnum has events ( a fairly recent addition) wherein you can get a core on virtually any province in the right circumstances.

To have received the event to get a core on Jylland/Jutland the key conditions would be that neither Denmark nor Jutland exist in the game. Sjaelland, however, requires that neither Denmark, Sweden nor Kalmar exist. So, it is very conceivale that if Scotland owned Jutland they could get a core there, but Sjaelland seems less likely, unless Kalmar had been absorbed by Finnland or Hansa.

kalmar was absorbed by me indeed quiet earlly( after i helped norway get BIG)

[Incompetent]

Originally Posted by beregic

in progress , so i will just UPDATE from time to time( as progress/time frames happens);

1-i think the first event "the university of edinghburgh" makes no sense to me ; creating university is waste of money that part makes sense indeed, however what is with the lost tax and worse, the lost of centralization??? uwe all know that famous universities bring foreign scholars therfore INCREASE base tax( in eu2) not to mentione trade advantages since foreigners get interest due to their kids beeing there; a university gives better diplomatic control to a government since it has increases chances of INFLUENCING foreign students, therefore what about the centralization hit?

In the 15th century, most of the students and scholars would be from the same kingdom. In fact, that's true even today. And the revenue the university gets goes to the university, not to the taxman.

It's up to you whether you fund a university or not, but being stingy on the educational events may close off certain doors to you in the long run. There's still scope for some more 'excellent minister'-type events, though, which would be contingent on education. Any suggestions?

3- 1450; annexing york; i do not get the part of loosing MY own culture GAELIC; now if this is so from a balance point of view , again there is no logic to it; it is like i forget who i am actually this was the most annoying part so far. also i get NO CORE even if i have capital there

My original setup was a bit more generous than this; MattyG disagreed. However, we both agree that Scotland cannot expect to peacefully rule over the whole British Isles at once. Choose your priorities: Highlands/Ireland or England? Also, at the moment it's generally assumed that the Scottish elite will be speaking Scots (a Germanic language) by the end of the 15th century, so Gaelic isn't really your 'own' culture by then; though there was talk of developing an alternate, Gaelic-oriented path for Scotland.

4- support for chyrmu new monarch; of course i say yes becouse in about 1550 any nation gets chymru culture even if it is owned by caliphate

Hmm, some refinement may be necessary here.

5- i notice norway does not break vasalship ( to a human) as always did before; that is a good improvement

Does Kalmar attack Norway? If so, how good is Norway at fending them off?

6-the sliders are in such a way that even if want to change them(will take a few decades), scotland can NOT get colonists.( i say that becouse if the player is looking foward for earlly colonization will get big time dissipointed even if gets eire maps....) again, this might be intentional but breaks the "flow" sort of say

Huh? You can move the sliders every 10 years. I know events move the sliders quite a bit, but surely not that much. In any case, some event choice will actually help you get colonists.

In the early game, colonisation is quite limited for balance reasons. Scotland is meant to be a fairly late coloniser in Interregnum, because it has priorities closer to home.

7- most important; seems there are no straights between mainland and imain isle( i apologize if it is and did not see it yet, did not play that area in a LONG time); that is of utmost importance becouse this is NOT the regular history or the real one; therfore there can not be issues as france conquering england , the reason it has been removed in most HISTORICAL mods...if bringing balance again, maybe might be so, but definatelly restricts certain PRACTICAL options for any english nations at least.

I don't know what you're trying to say here, but as far as I'm concerned, having a 'strait' from Kent to Calais is ridiculous from the perspective of geography, and Interregnum isn't supposed to be an alternate geography mod.

8- BUG? on exactlly 2jan 1489 norway dissipears as vassal. i mean DISSIPEAR becouse i get absolutelly no message of it and even worse no cg to bann it from alliance, etc( now i reloaded a few times to make sure i did not miss something and yes, i have my message settings the right way). now that is very ODD..is it hard coded or something like that???( true it became bigger and almost owns all khalmar in sweeden due to the fact that as alliance leader i peaced at right moment after khalmar initially beat it but then due to atrittion norway had a come back...all done with no expenses on my side). and i was just thinking ,right before it happened, that helping norway getting upper hand on khalmar union MIGHT prove profitable even if i am well known NOT for supprting a norway "connection" for scotland. so is it a new bug or is intended IF scotalnd becomes size "80" or above?

Hmm, don't know what's happening here. But then I haven't looked at the events in a long time, maybe something has been changed.

9- "crown of england" very irrelevant event; due to the fact i get cores regardless if under 4bb etc; as a matter of fact getting cores on flander INSTANTLLY once owning it makes illogical to spend 400 AND 3 extra bb to have cores that i ALREADY have

This event dates back to the days when you didn't automatically get cores all over the place. It probably needs to be updated.

10- the event that gives 8rr in higlands; it is 1650's and i still have it , no event to give me any options...am i stuck with it forever?

I think you are. This is part of the cost of being mean to the Highlanders and then choosing York as your capital (unless something else has gone wrong). Hopefully there will be a 'Caledonia', 'Alba' or whatever revolter that you can release in the Highlands; if so, I suggest you do so. If not, I think we ought to put one in. Also, maybe we could put some options in for the Highland Clearances events.

11-1650'; literally own 1/2 of europe; i mentione this to ilustrate a specific aspect: from 1450's to 1500's scotland gets some good diplo monarchs and after quiet bad; if it would be the other way around a human would get less territory then i did (had hansa and britanny vassaled earlly and they did some good colonizing jobs while i annexed them at right moment for less bb from full colonial cities)

Good for you. You'll find this is actually quite easy to do with most Interregnum majors in SP, because SP is easy. But if you think the early Scottish monarchs' DIP scores are overpowered, perhaps they can be toned down a bit.

13- it is 1650 and i see absolutelly no effects from the university investments; not that would make any sense at this late date anymore, however what is up with that? beside had another event that AGAIN took base tax away for "schools"; no benefits as yet as well....

If you found St Andrews, it lasts right throughout the game. If you don't, it never gets founded, and while centres of higher learning may emerge in Scotland eventually, they will be of an inferior quality and not worth mentioning in events. I know it's a simplistic picture, but things have to be somewhat abstracted, or we'd end up bombarding the player with events every other week. Why should the consequences of the existence/non-existence of St Andrews be confined to the early game?

You may not have seen much to do with St Andrews so far, but I should point out that a certain Isaac Newton was born in 1643 in Lincolnshire...

As for schools, it's again up to you whether or not you think funding schools is worth it. No-one said the A choice had to be the right choice.

[MattyG]

I have just uploaded 1.02, but i promise to get to these comments and make changes to Scotland (that is unless you want to, Incompetent - I promise this time I won't change anything ).