I didn't realize it was impossible to diplo-annex different religious groups...

[QBob]

And now I'm stuck with the Aztec Empire as my vassal and ally with utter love between us, and I can't diplo-annex them like I planned.

This is the third game I've started, and I hope to finally finish this one. I started playing as Tuscany with the goal of becoming an Italian version of Spain, i. e. big empire with a decent amount of land in Europe and an even greater amount in the Americas. Things have gone well up to this point. I didn't annex the Aztecs before because my bad boy was getting up there and I was still fairly reliant on trade for my income. I failed to consider how much the massive influx of Aztec gold would help me, but hey, I'm an idiot.

Since I already destroyed the Aztec empire before, they've now rebuilt their army, have a greater land tech thanks to being my neighbor and best friend, and I'm filled with animal rage, I feel like attempting to edit my save file. Thing is I have no idea how to do it. I fumbled around the Europa Universalis III forum and didn't find anything in my hasty search that answered my question, nor did my use of the search engine, and I'm too stubborn to just load my game and piss off the Aztecs to reconquer them. I figured out how to edit the history files, but when I try to access my save files I just get .eu3 files (which aren't text files like almost all the other Europa Universalis III files) that I can't access.

Any help would be appreciated.

[MAlexander06]

Saved games can be opened in notepad or any other plain text-editing program. If you're nervous about trying to edit, just make a copy of the file first and edit that.

To edit out the vassalage, search for "vassal" in the save file. All of the vassal relations in the game will be contained in a list with all other long-term diplomatic arrangements. AFAIK, you only need to delete the entry with first = "TUS" and second = "AZT" as the parameters. That should end it. Of course, you should be able to cancel the vassalization as well.

[Amtrak]

A much easier and faster way to solve your problem would be to edit the Aztec's religion. Find out who the current Aztec king is, then open the save file in notepad. Run a search for the current king and you should be placed right into the Aztec nation's profile area. Scroll down slowly from where the search places you until you find the line "religion=animism" (it will occupy a line all by itself). Simply change out "animism" with whatever religion you currently are. Now you can diplo-annex them.

[QBob]

Thanks guys! You both helped a lot. I got them and their gold mines under control, and now I'll be able to fund my expansion all the faster.

[Chuck Martel]

A better title for this thread would be “I didn’t read the manual.” That pretty much sums it up.

[Simbad]

Originally Posted by Chuck Martel

A better title for this thread would be “I didn’t read the manual.” That pretty much sums it up.

BTW nobody reads the manual : remember when you just got the box from the store and you were just back home, you had nearly 1'23" to read the manual as it was the time you needed to install the game.

After that it is the old "learn from your stupidity" thing that will drives your learning curve.

I've never met someone strong enough to wait a couple of hour before starting the game, and I'll bet that you are one of us

[Chuck Martel]

Yeah but that is just a dumb question that has come up 100 times.

[Ahaz Flagg]

Originally Posted by Simbad

BTW nobody reads the manual : remember when you just got the box from the store and you were just back home, you had nearly 1'23" to read the manual as it was the time you needed to install the game.

After that it is the old "learn from your stupidity" thing that will drives your learning curve.

I've never met someone strong enough to wait a couple of hour before starting the game, and I'll bet that you are one of us

I beg to differ, I never load a game until i have read the manual from cover to cover. I dislike having to wonder what does what, I like knowing everything i can before i play. I am sure there are others like me. It took me about 5 hours to read, and reread certian parts, than i loaded game.

[Simbad]

Originally Posted by Ahaz Flagg

I beg to differ, I never load a game until i have read the manual from cover to cover. ...... It took me about 5 hours to read, and reread certian parts, than i loaded game.

Arghhhhhh what a strong will you have.

I'm pretty sure you've never touch drug as well ? Never had sex with a pretty girl you plan to drop the morning after ?

How strong you are, I can't fight any more : Your punishment for such paradox bigotry will be to answer every stupid newby question on this forum.

AH AH AH AH AH AH AH

[Lord_Richmond]

Yeah but that is just a dumb question that has come up 100 times.

I wonder why it comes up so often if it is a dumb question? Either most people who play this game are dumb, or the manual doesnt explain it very well, or people dont look at the manual first, instead coming onto the forum first (which would support the idea that most people dont read the manual when they first start playing). There may be something more serious if it comes up that often (prob because you can vassal after war, you would assume that you can annex as well, only in peace vassal do you need to be same relegion)

[Chuck Martel]

Originally Posted by Lord_Richmond

I wonder why it comes up so often if it is a dumb question? Either most people who play this game are dumb, or the manual doesnt explain it very well, or people dont look at the manual first, instead coming onto the forum first (which would support the idea that most people dont read the manual when they first start playing). There may be something more serious if it comes up that often (prob because you can vassal after war, you would assume that you can annex as well, only in peace vassal do you need to be same relegion)

If they come to the forum they will find it has been asked 100 times so they don't need to ask again. If they come to the forum and ask the question anyhow, they ARE dumb.

To me the question shows that the person doesn’t really understand the basics of how the game works. They don’t know the difference between pagan and other religions and they don’t understand the idea behind diplo-annexing.

In other words, they don’t really know how to play. What they need to do is turn off the game, read this forum and/or the manual, and learn. They are never going to learn that kind of stuff from just playing the game.

[Ziezi]

Originally Posted by Chuck Martel

A better title for this thread would be “I didn’t read the manual.” That pretty much sums it up.

i think that you seen to forget that when the game came out without any patch one was able to diploannex any country no matter their religion.....i dont think the manual gets patches too.....or does your????

[Featauril]

Didn't you use to be able to diploannex vassals of other religion groups? I recall diploannexing Granada as Castille...

[Chuck Martel]

Originally Posted by Ziezi

i think that you seen to forget that when the game came out without any patch one was able to diploannex any country no matter their religion.....i dont think the manual gets patches too.....or does your????

I don't waste time talking about what happened in previous patches.

[dharper]

Originally Posted by Featauril

Didn't you use to be able to diploannex vassals of other religion groups? I recall diploannexing Granada as Castille...

Yes, in version 1.0 of the game. They fixed that in one of the first patches, it was never intended to happen.

[lenny]

Originally Posted by Featauril

Didn't you use to be able to diploannex vassals of other religion groups? I recall diploannexing Granada as Castille...

I think it was changed in 1.3, but I couldn't find it in the patch notes.

[martinl]

Originally Posted by Ahaz Flagg

I beg to differ, I never load a game until i have read the manual from cover to cover. I dislike having to wonder what does what, I like knowing everything i can before i play. I am sure there are others like me. It took me about 5 hours to read, and reread certian parts, than i loaded game.

Ahaz Flagg? Please check your mod file. I bet someone reset the "read_manual = yes" flag. That was officially patched out in 1987...

Regards,
martinl

[Lord_Richmond]

If they come to the forum they will find it has been asked 100 times so they don't need to ask again. If they come to the forum and ask the question anyhow, they ARE dumb.

Well, the forum does not have a search function, so it is not as easy to find old posts (spend hours going back page my page looking at each thread until you find it, i dont think so).

To me the question shows that the person doesn’t really understand the basics of how the game works. They don’t know the difference between pagan and other religions and they don’t understand the idea behind diplo-annexing.

Well, that is prob why they are on the forum asking questions!

I don't waste time talking about what happened in previous patches.

I think the point here is that if it was not a feature of the original game, then it is unlikely to be in the manual that came with the game! I dont know if it is in the manual, as I havent got it to hand. While im sure diplo-vassal requires you to be of the same relegion (and would therefore feature in the manual), diplo annex may not (and so not feature in the manual). Also, if you have been playing with the original game, were used to diplo annexing other releigions and then got the patch and couldnt do it anymore obviously it may confuse you!

Additionally the thread was not why cant I diplo annex, rather how can I modify the save files to get around this mistake I have made (showing that the poster had understood the mistake in the first place). I dont think the manual explains how to do such things (at least the last time I checked!)

[Chuck Martel]

Originally Posted by Lord_Richmond

Well, the forum does not have a search function, so it is not as easy to find old posts (spend hours going back page my page looking at each thread until you find it, i dont think so).

So you’re stupid AND lazy? Dude you have it all! By the way, there is a forum search. Check the stickies at the top.

Originally Posted by Lord_Richmond

Well, that is prob why they are on the forum asking questions!

Ah, but that is the problem. As I said the question has been asked and answered many times. And furthermore, it is a very basic question that should not be asked at all.

Originally Posted by Lord_Richmond

I think the point here is that if it was not a feature of the original game, then it is unlikely to be in the manual that came with the game! I dont know if it is in the manual, as I havent got it to hand. While im sure diplo-vassal requires you to be of the same relegion (and would therefore feature in the manual), diplo annex may not (and so not feature in the manual). Also, if you have been playing with the original game, were used to diplo annexing other releigions and then got the patch and couldnt do it anymore obviously it may confuse you!

Additionally the thread was not why cant I diplo annex, rather how can I modify the save files to get around this mistake I have made (showing that the poster had understood the mistake in the first place). I dont think the manual explains how to do such things (at least the last time I checked!)

The game out of the box may have allowed you to diplo-annex a country of a different religion but that was never the intent. I will check the manual when I get home. I’m pretty sure that is in there.

At any rate arguing about how the game was out of the box or in a previous patch is an exercise in mental masturbation. Nobody with any sense is playing the game out of the box or any patch other than the latest. It would be like discussing errors in EU2 or Civ3 for Chrissakes!

[Ziezi]

''Demand Annexation
Once you have a country that is your vassal, it
will be possible after a period of time to demand
that the country be diplomatically annexed
into your own. This effectively ends
its existence and absorbs the nation into your
realm. This action will not be available unless
the country has been your vassal for at least ten
years and you enjoy an extremely good relationship
(+190 or more).
In most cases, a country will be very reluctant
to comply with your demands unless you
are much more powerful, or you have very high
prestige, or your monarch has an excellent diplomacy
attribute. If the country refuses, your
relationship will be significantly damaged. If
it agrees, all of its provinces -- and its entire
treasury -- are added to your realm. This is an
action that other nations will consider somewhat
aggressive, thus slightly tarnishing your
reputation.''

so... i dont see anything about religion there,i guess its normal for 1 to ask about it, not stupid.....but i do find it stupid to call ppl stupid while sticking the knife in your own back....

I don't waste time talking about what happened in previous patches.

uh,but when you talk about a manual you are talking about the original game so you are talking about previous stuff and wasting time, yours and ours with nonsense.if you wont help ,atleast dont diss