On Westernisation...

[Anthraxus899]

Hi, I'm afraid I have to ask a bit of a nubbin question, when reading the FAQ on how to westernize as an African of New World tech group, it saws I have to be Christian, however, when looking over the event code, I see nothing which saws I have to be Christian for the event to fire, however, I need to have a Latin neighbor. Is the Must be Christian part hard coded, or is it in there, however I just can't find it. Or is it WAD, and you no longer have to be Christian for the event to fire? Here's the part of the event code where it says what is needed for the event to fire:

country_event = {

	id = 4003
	
	trigger = {
		OR = {
			technology_group = african
			technology_group = new_world
		}
		any_neighbor_country = {
			technology_group = latin
			relation = { who = THIS value = 100 }
		}		
		ADM = 5
	}

If anyone could offer some advice, I would appreciate it. =)

[Xiahou Mao]

The "must be Christian" qualifier was removed in a patch, and the FAQ hasn't yet been updated to reflect that. You only need to border a Latin country, you don't need a specific religion anymore.

[Anthraxus899]

Ah, thank you. One more question, when you westernize, do the graphics change as well? It'd look odd, building a catholic church as a Pagan or Muslim nation...

[What?]

I still dont get how injuns and africans can westernize to 1.0 from like 0.2 but the Chinese tech group is screwed... Makes me not want to even touch Japan or Korea...

[Will Lucky]

How about think of what a fully westernised Ming could do at Latin tach, Yeah not pretty.

[kolmy]

Originally Posted by Anthraxus899

Ah, thank you. One more question, when you westernize, do the graphics change as well? It'd look odd, building a catholic church as a Pagan or Muslim nation...

Westernization doesn't mean be Catholic. Just faster research on technology.

[Kristof73]

Originally Posted by What?

I still dont get how injuns and africans can westernize to 1.0 from like 0.2 but the Chinese tech group is screwed... Makes me not want to even touch Japan or Korea...

Hey, africans and new world countries even after Westernization had -50% tech penalty becouse Tribal goverment so Japan and Korea are in far better position

[JZ_UK]

I understand why Japan and Korea are in China's tech group, what I don't understand is why they should be shackled with China's disadvantages, after all, history plays a very small part in this game, you can have a German or Italian state hundreds of years before they came anywhere near being unified, you can abolish serfdom in Russia, you can let the capitalist beast run rampant centuries before Smith was born and yet... Japan and Korea are condemned to suffer from an isolation that become a monolithic institution quite some time after the game begins (admittedly here, I do not know enough about Korean history to say thats true) so... why can African and American minors westernize and reap the benefits, while for all our ahistorical social engineering and geopolitical reshaping power... you can't have a Japan with firearms...

[Aardwark]

Originally Posted by Kristof73

Hey, africans and new world countries even after Westernization had -50% tech penalty becouse Tribal goverment so Japan and Korea are in far better position

Not all African tech group countries are Tribal, Songhai is a Despotic Monarchy and can therefore rise to be on the same level as European nations after a Westernization

[Anthraxus899]

What I find odd though, is that Muslim African nations (Swahili, Songhai, Mali, Adal, and maybe a few others) can reach Latin, but more technologically advanced Muslims (like Mamluks, Timurids, etc.) can only reach Eastern.

[Kanil]

Can't a Muslim techgroup nation westernize into Eastern, and then westernize from eastern into Latin?

[RebelYell]

Originally Posted by Kanil

Can't a Muslim techgroup nation westernize into Eastern, and then westernize from eastern into Latin?

More importantly, does this work for the Indian minors as well? I am taking a crack at playing them and I don't want to be stuck at .6 forever.

[Aardwark]

Originally Posted by RebelYell

More importantly, does this work for the Indian minors as well? I am taking a crack at playing them and I don't want to be stuck at .6 forever.

Well, no one in the Indian or Chinese tech groups can Westernize as of yet, so that would be no.

[RebelYell]

Originally Posted by Aardwark

Well, no one in the Indian or Chinese tech groups can Westernize as of yet, so that would be no.

Well that sucks. I would have to have a massive income to compete with the Euro's.

[Aardwark]

Originally Posted by RebelYell

Well that sucks. I would have to have a massive income to compete with the Euro's.

That can easily be accomplished though, two of the best Centres of Trade are located on the Indian sub-continent and many of the Indian provinces generally have pretty good income.

It really isn't that difficult to overcome the lack of Latin tech, I'm currently the second richest nation in my game as Ryukyu, who not only are in the Chinese tech group but also are a vassal of Ming and of Animalist/Pagan religion

[Kanil]

You might consider the Imago Dei mod, I think it handles techgroups in an excellent way, and will let you "westernize" with any nation.

[Falahk]

Originally Posted by RebelYell

Well that sucks. I would have to have a massive income to compete with the Euro's.

is thats not how its suposed to be?

[JZ_UK]

Originally Posted by Aardwark

That can easily be accomplished though, two of the best Centres of Trade are located on the Indian sub-continent and many of the Indian provinces generally have pretty good income.

It really isn't that difficult to overcome the lack of Latin tech, I'm currently the second richest nation in my game as Ryukyu, who not only are in the Chinese tech group but also are a vassal of Ming and of Animalist/Pagan religion

Umm... They're Shinto?

[Alatar1313]

Does the phrase "westernize into eastern" bother anyone else? lol

[Azonalanthious]

Originally Posted by JZ_UK

Umm... They're Shinto?

Nope. That was changed in one of the patches - 1.3 I think.