Armageddon Consolidated China Improvement Pack

[Vladimir II]

Nice info. Could we use it in E³Mod? Thanks, Tegetthoff.

[Tegetthoff]

Originally Posted by Vladimir II

Nice info. Could we use it in E³Mod? Thanks, Tegetthoff.

You are free to use it in any mod. At the center of this is a Nationalist Chinese defeat event that creates puppet China and warlord with leaders, something I am quite proud of but that has never been taken up by a mod.

The full set of events will not work without modification, since it is a CORE add-on written for my private enjoyment. As mentioned above, the following has to be checked:

* file structure is CORE compatible, so will have to be changed (both where the files go and the few calls of alternate AI files)
* many events change tech teams, and their id numbers and skills are CORE compatible
* some events change leaders, again CORE compatible (but not such a big deal)
* some events grant techs, again CORE compatible id numbers

But nothing a good modder cannot change.

Best Regards

T.

P.S.: And, Vladimir, congratulations on your map work, I am really looking forward to that

[Vladimir II]

Thank you. We are advancing...

[Comrade Kalle]

A note on the CCIP. I was playing as Communist China a couple days ago, and I had taken Xibei San Ma, Sinkiang, Tibet and Shanxi and was at peace with the nationalists since Xi'an incident (I took Xibei before it fired). Later I declared war on the nationalists again, and I had taken everything north of the Yangtze river plus Nanjing and a few surrounding provinces. Needless to say, I was going to beat the nationalists. In early 1937 they offered peace which would give me everything i had taken to that point, plus a few more provinces, but I rejected as I was clearly winning. A short while later, the japanese had the marco polo bridge event, and decided to declare war on the nationalists and Guangxi Clique. Nationalists decided it was time to form the unified front, and when their event fired we entered a peace for some reason? Their event triggered an event for me, where I could chose to either join them and fight Japan, or stay out of trouble. In my opinion, the Unified front event shouldn't fire AT ALL, if nationalists and communists are at war, or at least it should give the option to keep fighting the current war instead of giving the player a punch in the face. Just a thought. And perhaps there could be events that gives tech teams after each annexation instead of when entire China is united. Would make things a lot easier.

Other than that, very good mod.

[Vladimir II]

And please, does your Armageddon version of mod has all CHC events existed in Doomsday version? Thank you.

[Porkman]

I just started writing a Nat. China AAR and as part of that I've been reading a lot of books about the period.

One thing that came up which is cool was a few paragraphs about the Guangxi conflict. The book, which is quite good, (The Nationalist Era in China: 1927 - 1949) frames the war as not being started by any Japanese action, but by Chiang Kai Shek himself.

According to this, in May of 1936, 胡漢民 died. His credentials as a nationalist and former premiere of the Guomindang had been part of what allowed the southern warlords to remain independent. At his funeral, Chiang Kai Shek threw down the gauntlet, making clear his plans to integrate the Guangdong and Guangxi into the Nanjing government. It's only after this that Guangxi starts moving troops into Hunan.

The effects of the event chain are fine, but the text should be changed a little to make it clear that Guangxi were not acting entirely in the interests of the country.

One more cool thing that should be an event is the option to do what Chiang did in July of 1936, namely bribing the entire Cantonese airforce to defect to the central government.

I'm bad at event coding, but, starting from the declaration of war, there should be an event that would have a 40% chance of firing. The Nat. China player would be given the option of paying 300 money and gaining the Guangxi interceptor squadron. Their option B would either be nothing at all or using the money to pay for a 1 - 2% dissent reduction.

I swear by this mod, but I think it could use a few more events that highlight Chiang's real genius, namely using bribes and incentives to separate and isolate his enemies. Of course, the monetary costs of these events should be beyond China's ability to pay, reflecting the Guomindang's habit of spending more money than they really had.

[Vladimir II]

Originally Posted by Porkman

I just started writing a Nat. China AAR and as part of that I've been reading a lot of books about the period.

One thing that came up which is cool was a few paragraphs about the Guangxi conflict. The book, which is quite good, (The Nationalist Era in China: 1927 - 1949) frames the war as not being started by any Japanese action, but by Chiang Kai Shek himself.

According to this, in May of 1936, 胡漢民 died. His credentials as a nationalist and former premiere of the Guomindang had been part of what allowed the southern warlords to remain independent. At his funeral, Chiang Kai Shek threw down the gauntlet, making clear his plans to integrate the Guangdong and Guangxi into the Nanjing government. It's only after this that Guangxi starts moving troops into Hunan.

The effects of the event chain are fine, but the text should be changed a little to make it clear that Guangxi were not acting entirely in the interests of the country.

One more coll thing that should be an event is the option to do what Chiang did in July of 1936, namely bribing the entire Cantonese airforce to defect to the central government.

I'm bad at event coding, but, starting from the declaration of war, there should be an event that would have a 40% chance of firing. The Nat. China player would be given the option of paying 300 money and gaining the Guangxi interceptor squadron. Option B would either be nothing at all or using the money to pay for a 1 - 2% dissent reduction.

I swear by this mod, but I think it could use a few more events that highlight Chiang's real genius namely using bribes and incentives to separate and isolate his enemies. Of course the monetary costs of these events should be beyond China's ability to pay, reflecting the Guomindang spending more money than they really had.

Very nice, indeed. Good work. Do you have proposals for Chinese province changes? or better, do you know some map that will show us correct borders of Chinese states? Thank you.

[Porkman]

Originally Posted by Vladimir II

Very nice, indeed. Good work. Do you have proposals for Chinese province changes? or better, do you know some map that will show us correct borders of Chinese states? Thank you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...and_Claims.jpg

This is an old map showing the Republic of China province divisions. Don't use the names on there because they use the old system of romanization and it's terrible. Guangdong is much closer to the real pronunciation then "Kwangtung"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...al_Edition.png

For smaller things, like the province size in HOI2 use this map, which is a blank map showing all of the prefecture level borders. (It's kind of dense but remember that the province of Sichuan is bigger than France.)

Unfortunately, it has no names.

[clanjay1989]

Originally Posted by Vladimir II

Very nice, indeed. Good work. Do you have proposals for Chinese province changes? or better, do you know some map that will show us correct borders of Chinese states? Thank you.

I think there should be more provinces added and a few revisions to the borders to the Chinese map. The current map does not completely covers all events that had happened to China.

If you've played CCIP, then you know what I'm talking about here. The ROC didn't have claims on Feyzabad or Myitkyina, but there was no corresponding province that reflected all occupied lands by foreign powers. There are several more, I just can't think of another now.

[Vladimir II]

I was thinking of a map that would show borders of Xubei San Ma, Yunnan, Shaanxi, Manchukuo, etc. Because we at E³Mod are making correct geographic detailled map of the world, so we need correct borders, not simplified like in vanilla. But there are no such maps on the internet.

And are all Chinese events that existed in Doomsday version of the mod exist in Armageddon version?

[Porkman]

This is a bit harder. It would be easier if HOI2 had a way to designate "no man's land." The cliques weren't separate countries and as such they never had a conference to say where the borders of their spheres of influence were. Instead, they each sort of had areas where their militaries operated. This is hard because areas like Inner Mongolia were essentially ungoverned but the game makes you give them to somebody. I redid the prefecture map, making the provinces a little bigger, and adding my best bet for the political borders.

[Vladimir II]

Oh. Thank you very much. That was what I need. If you wish visit our thread, and post your proposals if you are interested.

[Tux the Penguin]

Yes, I've been gone for a LONG time, but I was wondering if there was ever any movement made to integrate these two mods or at least a guide to doing it?

[mib]

Originally Posted by nomonhan

I'm interested in an Extended China Improvement Pack, which would take up where CCIP leaves off. It would focus on the warlords and Pu Yi, although at least 2 events would benefit Nationalist China, and the failed Trautman mediation. Are you interested in developing this or shall I do this myself? I will of course give you and the CCIP credit for all the fine work you have done to date.

Well, how about you go make it and I can then steal your work... I haven't been doing as much actual modding as I would have liked lately...

Originally Posted by clanjay1989

Seems like everyone is a bit busy during the long summer...

I'd like to help out, if needed(like giving ideas or information). Also since I got really stuck on the Communist models in my project, I turned away and started fixing those ahistorical errors both in vanilla and CCIP(leaders, ministers, techs, etc). I wish Mib isn't gonna get mad at me?

What? Don't be silly, of course not... I'm only one joe and I can't possibly catch all the mistakes in HOI2/CCIP... so if you catch some, I'd really liked to know.

Originally Posted by Vladimir II

Does this mod has event regarding CHC, as Doomsday version of the mod? Thank you.

If I understood your question correctly, yes. There may have been several events that were phased out, being made unnecessary by vanilla DD:A, but otherwise they're all still there.

Originally Posted by Comrade Kalle

A note on the CCIP. I was playing as Communist China a couple days ago, and I had taken Xibei San Ma, Sinkiang, Tibet and Shanxi and was at peace with the nationalists since Xi'an incident (I took Xibei before it fired). Later I declared war on the nationalists again, and I had taken everything north of the Yangtze river plus Nanjing and a few surrounding provinces. Needless to say, I was going to beat the nationalists. In early 1937 they offered peace which would give me everything i had taken to that point, plus a few more provinces, but I rejected as I was clearly winning. A short while later, the japanese had the marco polo bridge event, and decided to declare war on the nationalists and Guangxi Clique. Nationalists decided it was time to form the unified front, and when their event fired we entered a peace for some reason? Their event triggered an event for me, where I could chose to either join them and fight Japan, or stay out of trouble. In my opinion, the Unified front event shouldn't fire AT ALL, if nationalists and communists are at war, or at least it should give the option to keep fighting the current war instead of giving the player a punch in the face. Just a thought. And perhaps there could be events that gives tech teams after each annexation instead of when entire China is united. Would make things a lot easier.

Other than that, very good mod.

This is A:CCIP v0.1, I'm assuming. What you have described is a fairly common scenario that has gotten lots of people riled up in the past... The United Front event chain is a clusterf*ck with a ton of loopholes and bugs... I have fixed some of this in v0.2, but who knows what other problems will arise... One day I will have to rewrite the whole thing, probably.

Originally Posted by Porkman

I just started writing a Nat. China AAR and as part of that I've been reading a lot of books about the period.

One thing that came up which is cool was a few paragraphs about the Guangxi conflict. The book, which is quite good, (The Nationalist Era in China: 1927 - 1949) frames the war as not being started by any Japanese action, but by Chiang Kai Shek himself.

According to this, in May of 1936, 胡漢民 died. His credentials as a nationalist and former premiere of the Guomindang had been part of what allowed the southern warlords to remain independent. At his funeral, Chiang Kai Shek threw down the gauntlet, making clear his plans to integrate the Guangdong and Guangxi into the Nanjing government. It's only after this that Guangxi starts moving troops into Hunan.

The effects of the event chain are fine, but the text should be changed a little to make it clear that Guangxi were not acting entirely in the interests of the country.

One more cool thing that should be an event is the option to do what Chiang did in July of 1936, namely bribing the entire Cantonese airforce to defect to the central government.

I'm bad at event coding, but, starting from the declaration of war, there should be an event that would have a 40% chance of firing. The Nat. China player would be given the option of paying 300 money and gaining the Guangxi interceptor squadron. Their option B would either be nothing at all or using the money to pay for a 1 - 2% dissent reduction.

I swear by this mod, but I think it could use a few more events that highlight Chiang's real genius, namely using bribes and incentives to separate and isolate his enemies. Of course, the monetary costs of these events should be beyond China's ability to pay, reflecting the Guomindang's habit of spending more money than they really had.

Interesting. That book was one of my newest acquisitions but I haven't read it yet. I admit I don't know as much as I should about the political aspect of the era, being mostly concerned with the military... how would you suggest I word the event(s)?

Originally Posted by Porkman

This is a bit harder. It would be easier if HOI2 had a way to designate "no man's land." The cliques weren't separate countries and as such they never had a conference to say where the borders of their spheres of influence were. Instead, they each sort of had areas where their militaries operated. This is hard because areas like Inner Mongolia were essentially ungoverned but the game makes you give them to somebody. I redid the prefecture map, making the provinces a little bigger, and adding my best bet for the political borders.

*IMG*

If one were a real stickler for accuracy, then it wouldn't do to use the PRC borders (as the above map uses). The differences are minute, but noticeable.

Originally Posted by Tux the Penguin

Yes, I've been gone for a LONG time, but I was wondering if there was ever any movement made to integrate these two mods or at least a guide to doing it?

There was. That's all I know about it. Can't help you there, sorry.

[Vladimir II]

I thought on events, such as Forming of PRC, CHI evacuating to Taiwan, erc.

Thank you.

[TMA_Cool]

Whats the checksum of the mod+daim with arma 1.2?

[TMA_Cool]

Whats the checksum of the mod+daim with arma 1.2? Also how do i know if mod is correctly installed?
When xian incident triggers if i put cursor over make peace, it says not yet described event command.

[Porkman]

These are the reworded events. I also threw the airforce one in at the end but I don't know how to code the inherit properly so right now it's non functional.

################################################## #######################
# Hu Hanmin's Funeral
################################################## #######################
event = {
id = 3563
random = no
country = CHI

name = "Hu Hanmin has died!"
desc = "The former premiere of the republic and one of the founding fathers of the Guomindang, Hu Hanmin, has died. His presence gave legitimacy to the rival government in the south. All eyes are on Chiang at the funeral."
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

trigger = {
random = 40
NOT = { war = { country = JAP country = CHI } }
}

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 4
deathdate = { day = 30 month = july year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "Assert central authority over the south." #Starts civil war with Guangxi
ai_chance = 90
command = { type = trigger which = 3564 }

}
action_b = {
name = "Don't rock the boat. We must prepare for war with Japan!" # Starts war with Japan but not Guangxi
ai_chance = 10
command = { type = trigger which = 3565 }
}
}

################################################## #######################
# Throw Down the Gauntlet!
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3564
random = no
country = CHI

#triggered by 3563 CHI

name = "Guangxi on the Verge of launching Civil War"
desc = "The leaders of Guangxi and Guangdong - Chen Jitang, Bai Chongxi and Li Zongren - have begun to deploy troops northward into Hunan "because of our refusal to fight the Japanese." However, these troops are moving more towards Nanjing then Manchuria. This is the beginning of a move against the government!"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

action_a = {
name = "Oh no!"
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }

}
}

################################################## #######################
# Prepare for war
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3565
random = no
country = CHI

#triggered by 3563 CHI

name = "Preparing for war with Japan"
desc = "We've called their bluff, and the Guangxi Clique had no choice but to turn over their troops to our control for the war against Japan!"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

action_a = {
name = "Time to drive the Japanese Out!"
command = { type = inherit which = CGX value = 1 }
command = { type = alliance which = CSX }
command = { type = dissent value = -10 }

}
}

################################################## #######################
# China declares war
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3566
random = no
country = CHI

name = "The North China offensive of 1936"
desc = "China has vowed to throw the Japanese off the mainland"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

trigger = {
event = 3565
exists = JAP
random = 60
NOT = { war = { country = JAP country = CHI } }
}

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 4
deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "For China!"
command = { type = war which = JAP }
command = { type = dissent value = -10 }
command = { type = belligerence which = CHI value = -50 } #The DoW above is free

}
}

################
# Warlords vs NatChi gangbang
########################################
event = {
id = 3567
random = no
country = CGX

#triggered by CHI 27008

name = "AI_EVENT"
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = alliance which = CYN }
command = { type = alliance which = CSX }
command = { type = alliance which = SIK }
# command = { type = peace which = CXB value = 1 } #commenting out until a more elegant solution for a warlord-wide gangbang can be found
# command = { type = alliance which = CXB }
}
}


################################################## ####################
Chiang buys the Air Force
################################################## ##########################

event={
id = ###
country = CHI
trigger = {
random = 40
{ war = {country = CGX country = CHI } }
}
date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 14
deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "Fire the silver bullets!"
command inherit the Guangxi interceptor squadron
command money - 250

action_b = {
name = "Spend on social programs!"
command = { type = dissent value = -3 }
command money -150

action_c = {
name = "We can win the war on the ground!"

[clanjay1989]

Originally Posted by Porkman

These are the reworded events. I also threw the airforce one in at the end but I don't know how to code the inherit properly so right now it's non functional.

################################################## #######################
# Hu Hanmin's Funeral
################################################## #######################
event = {
id = 3563
random = no
country = CHI

name = "Hu Hanmin has died!"
desc = "The former premier of the republic and one of the founding fathers of the Chinese Nationalist Party, Hu Hanmin, has died. His presence gave legitimacy to the rival government in the south. It is now that we must recover our sovereignty over the province of Guangdong."
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

trigger = {
random = 40
NOT = { war = { country = JAP country = CHI } }
}

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 4
deathdate = { day = 30 month = july year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "Assert central authority over Guangdong." #Starts civil war with Guangxi
ai_chance = 90
command = { type = trigger which = 3564 }

}
action_b = {
name = "Don't rock the boat. We must prepare for war with Japan!" # Starts war with Japan but not Guangxi
ai_chance = 10
command = { type = trigger which = 3565 }
}
}

################################################## #######################
# Throw Down the Gauntlet!
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3564
random = no
country = CHI

#triggered by 3563 CHI

name = "Guangxi on the Verge of launching Civil War"
desc = "Nanjing's proposal to consolidate power in Guangdong has already threatened the interests of the warlords. "The leaders of Guangxi and Guangdong, Chen Jitang, Bai Chongxi, and Li Zongren, have begun to deploy troops northward into Hunan, claiming to fight the Japanese. However, these troops are moving more towards Nanjing instead of Manchuria. This is the beginning of a move against the government!"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

action_a = {
name = "Oh no!"
command = { type = dissent value = 5 }

}
}

################################################## #######################
# Prepare for war
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3565
random = no
country = CHI

#triggered by 3563 CHI

name = "Preparing for war with Japan"
desc = "We've called their bluff, and the Guangxi Clique had no choice but to turn over their troops to our control for the war against Japan!"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

action_a = {
name = "Time to drive the Japanese Out!"
command = { type = inherit which = CGX value = 1 }
command = { type = alliance which = CSX }
command = { type = dissent value = -10 }

}
}

################################################## #######################
# China declares war
################################################## #######################

event = {
id = 3566
random = no
country = CHI

name = "The North China offensive of 1936"
desc = "China has vowed to throw the Japanese off the mainland"
style = 0
picture = "japanese_reinforcments"

trigger = {
event = 3565
exists = JAP
random = 60
NOT = { war = { country = JAP country = CHI } }
}

date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 4
deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "For China!"
command = { type = war which = JAP }
command = { type = dissent value = -10 }
command = { type = belligerence which = CHI value = -50 } #The DoW above is free

}
}

################
# Warlords vs NatChi gangbang
########################################
event = {
id = 3567
random = no
country = CGX

#triggered by CHI 27008

name = "AI_EVENT"
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = alliance which = CYN }
command = { type = alliance which = CSX }
command = { type = alliance which = SIK }
# command = { type = peace which = CXB value = 1 } #commenting out until a more elegant solution for a warlord-wide gangbang can be found
# command = { type = alliance which = CXB }
}
}


################################################## ####################
Chiang buys the Air Force
################################################## ##########################

event={
id = ###
country = CHI
trigger = {
random = 40
{ war = {country = CGX country = CHI } }
}
date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1936 }
offset = 14
deathdate = { day = 30 month = august year = 1936 }

action_a = {
name = "Fire the silver bullets!"
command inherit the Guangxi interceptor squadron
command money - 250

action_b = {
name = "Spend on social programs!"
command = { type = dissent value = -3 }
command money -150

action_c = {
name = "We can win the war on the ground!"

I made some revision to the first event. One thing that I don't quite understand is that if a player chooses to fight Japan instead of Guangxi, the war should not erupt immediately and the player should get nothing as Guangxi's claim to fight Japan was a lie. It was only a propaganda that placed them in the higher ground. And Chiang Kai-Shek had always insisted a Chinese reunification before the Sino-Japanese war. China declaring war on Japan in 1936 did not seem to be possible considering China's strength. And Guangxi simply won't just give up everything and get annexed by Nanjing. The reason why Guangxi acted against Chiang was because Chiang threatened their ally in Guangdong. So if the player chooses the first option and go to war with Guangxi, the game should go as the historical result turned out. Chiang(or the player) should get what he asks for at the end, but the Guangxi clique keeps what they have from the beginning(Guangxi province). The result of the war between Chiang and Guangxi only destroyed the Guangdong clique, which is not presented in the game. Paradox simply combined those two cliques into one, unfortunately.

By the way, is there a tutorial to write events somewhere possibly? I've got a lot of ideas but that seems to be a waste without the ability to write events.

[Porkman]

Originally Posted by clanjay1989

I made some revision to the first event. One thing that I don't quite understand is that if a player chooses to fight Japan instead of Guangxi, the war should not erupt immediately and the player should get nothing as Guangxi's claim to fight Japan was a lie. It was only a propaganda that placed them in the higher ground.

I agree with everything you way I juat didn't want to change the effects of the event. hence the Japanese war declaration stays in there. The game sort of represents the separation of the Guangxi and guangdong cliques. If people choose the historical peace event, they get Guangdong, while guangxi remains independent.

It might just be better to make the non civil war option be nothing at all. Maybe a boost in relations with Guangxi or a drop in dissent, but no Japanese war trigger. But CCIP is already suffering from people saying it buffs up China too much and the option to just avoid the Guangxi war with no consequences wouldn't help that, even though Chiang could have just backed down.